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Post by DOOMS on Dec 31, 2007 11:28:19 GMT -5
Monster, you know we've got this ban on cursing in the forum now?
Nine times out of 10 I'd go along with the better athletes argument, but I've noticed that Knotts isn't married to a particular offensive system. He runs what his personnel dictates unlike every coach we've ever had. I think he's smart enough to win early and often in the meac. But that's a moot point because I doubt he'd ever work for Fobbs.
What's your opinion on Chris Beatty at Hampton? High school coach, straight to college as o.c. My opinion is you don't pigeonhole somebody because they're a high school coach. You look at their results and experience before you make a blanket statement about whether or not they can be successful.
All this talk is frustrating. Honestly, what successful o.c. is going to come and work for Fobbs? HONESTLY! Zero wins in two years. Everybody knows this guy is probably out of here at the end of the year. Yeah, you might be named head coach when he's gone, but are you willing to take the risk? It is a very unattractive position right now, even with a slew of seniors to coach coming back.
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Post by DECKS on Dec 31, 2007 13:11:04 GMT -5
This is the same argument a lot of folks were making that led to Fobbs being hired. Do you seriously think Knotts could be any worse than what we have right now? If anything, he should be the head coach. He would be better because you CANT do any worse. sheeet, i could do better! He still has not coached on the college level and like I've said before, Knotts normally puts better athletes on the field, so who's to say how good he actually is? Not taking from what the man has done on a high school level, but high school defensive schemes are nothing compared to what he would see and not to mention you wont have the best athletes in the conference to make up for your short commings. Its a bad idea to bring in a high school coach as OC is all I'm saying. Do you even know if he was the one calling all the plays? Never mind, it doesn't matter. Bad idea. Knotts worked under Steve Spurrier as an assistanter at Duke. He also served as the qb coach for Duke three years ago but quit after one season because he couldn't stand working under such incompetence. He has taken over three high schools that struggled prior to his arrival and immediately turned the programs around. If I'm not mistaken, he took all three high schools to the state championships. Add in the fact that he's routinely asked to help conduct coaching clinics that includes college coaches. He'd help us win at least five games right away.
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Post by dj98 on Dec 31, 2007 13:27:40 GMT -5
(Knotts worked under Steve Spurrier as an assistanter at Duke. He also served as the qb coach for Duke three years ago but quit after one season because he couldn't stand working under such incompetence.)
Knotts could win 5 games just with the new schemes he'll bring with him..... If Knotts Gets the job, he will bring Shipp with him.........
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Post by truthseeker on Dec 31, 2007 18:56:59 GMT -5
does it matter who fobbs brings in... ? hayes & joe taylor are together at famu & don't be shocked to see beatty down there also..... buddy pugh.... you in trouble....!!!!!
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Post by numberonebrave on Jan 1, 2008 12:17:10 GMT -5
Beatty may be at WCU
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 4, 2008 14:01:15 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 4, 2008 14:59:25 GMT -5
Most of those coaches went from HS head coach to a position coach and then OC. Thats the order it SHOULD be. I'm talking about making a head HS coach a college OC immediately is a bad idea.
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 4, 2008 15:16:56 GMT -5
Are you reading them bios correctly? Gus Malzahn went straight from high school head coach to offensive coordinator at Arkansas. He then went to Tulsa as o.c. Rob Spence went straight from high school head coach at Iona Prep to offensive coordinator at Iona. Now he's the o.c. at Clemson. Kevin Wilson became o.c. at A&T after only one season coaching the o-line at Winston (which was straight out of college). Now he's the o.c. at Oklahoma. I really only put him in there because it's cool that a guy could go from A&T to Oklahoma. Major Applewhite was a qb coach for one year at piss-poor Syracuse before becoming an o.c. I'll expound on that in a minute. Chris Beatty went straight from high school head coach to o.c. at Hampton. Rance Gillespie went straight from high school head coach to o.c. at Georgia Southern. Matt Viator went straight from high school head coach to linebackers coach for one year to o.c. at McNeese State. I put Applewhite and Viator in there because if you click on this link yearinreview.duke.edu/2003-2004/university_reports/athletics/index.html and scroll to the bottom of the page you will see Tom Knotts' name. As we already stated, he has college coaching experience. He was qb coach at Duke. So he already has college coaching experience. Not to mention he's clearly a better high school head coach than all the cats listed above, most of whom went straight from high school head coach to college o.c. You can click on this link, scroll down to the bottom, and see a little more about why Knotts was hired and Duke and why your position on Knotts is, well, unsupportable: findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_26_228/ai_n6127039I guess the answer to the question I posted at the top of this post is no, you didn't read them bios correctly. It's ok to admit you weren't quite on base on this one. All that being said, I simply don't think Knotts would be interested in coaching under Fobbs.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 4, 2008 16:07:02 GMT -5
All I said was it was a bad idea in my opinion, not that it has never been done or done successfully. I'm sure its failed more times than succedded.
With that being said, does Knotts call the plays at Independence?
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 4, 2008 16:29:26 GMT -5
Yes he does: www.news-record.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071109/NRSTAFF/711090306I'm willing to bet you it has succeeded more times than it has failed. No half-azzed high school coach is going to be promoted to college offensive coordinator without knowing his isht. Coincidentally, all the dudes I listed kicked some @ss but again, you don't hire a guy with a .500 record coaching high school to come in and coordinate your college offense. Take your time. I think the rest of the free world is convinced. That being stated over and over again, I don't see Knotts working with the current staff.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 4, 2008 17:25:41 GMT -5
I was going to ask another question just to see how long you would play "Look up the facts for Aggie Monster" while you were bored today , but I get the point. I'm probably wrong. I guess if you didn't mind going high school then he would be the first choice hands down though. I just wouldn't do it. He would start as a QB coach first or something for at least a year just to get acclamated to the conference and college game and then become the full fledge OC.
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Post by blackcaesar2k5 on Jan 4, 2008 19:55:37 GMT -5
David Oliver would do wonders with the Aggies offense.. It was his offense that help Southern won 2003 SWAc conference title and black national title... Oliver runs the Florida State Fast break no-huddle shotgun offense..
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Post by DOOMS on Jan 5, 2008 10:58:04 GMT -5
I was going to ask another question just to see how long you would play "Look up the facts for Aggie Monster" while you were bored today , but I get the point. I'm probably wrong. I guess if you didn't mind going high school then he would be the first choice hands down though. I just wouldn't do it. He would start as a QB coach first or something for at least a year just to get acclamated to the conference and college game and then become the full fledge OC. Naw, you're right and wrong. You're right in that hiring any old high school coach and making him a college o.c. wouldn't be a good idea. You're wrong in short-changing Knotts. I don't see taking a guy that would pretty much be a better head coach than we have now and making him serve as qb coach to prove himself and acclimate himself to what is at best a middle of the road division II conference. He'd be doing us a favor if he came to A&T in any capacity. He's the only high school coach I could say that about. He'd be pretty much the only straight from high school cat I'd even consider for us. That being said, he ain't coming here. I'm wondering if anybody is...
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Post by Gator on Jan 5, 2008 12:24:38 GMT -5
Knotts is over-rated!
The cheating scandal in Charlotte tells the story. When you're recruiting or allowing the best talent from around the area to play regardless of the rules, your grandmother should win. Hell, why not recruit the OC from New Bern. He beat Knott's at his own game, with a legitimate team.
Thoughts?
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Post by jaffejoffa on Jan 5, 2008 13:22:06 GMT -5
Something tells me that we wont be getting an experienced coach or OC ... Offseason workouts do start next week .. No improvements, additions, subtractions, or anything ..I'm ebarrassed ..Same ole' 0-22 game plan and ideas going into 08'.
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