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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 22, 2013 15:47:08 GMT -5
I guess this is what you get with fans that are passionate about their team...folks that like to find fault with somebody, anybody when we lose. What I'm hearing from some passionate fans is...if the team loses a game somebody has to be blamed. They will not accept the fact that the team just wasn't good enough to beat the other team. No somebody has got to be personally blamed for losing the game. So now if the players don't perform well and meet the passionate fan's expectations, it must be the coaches' fault. Surely the coaches saw that our center wasn't effective...why didn't they do a better job that week getting him ready. Didn't the coaches see that Kindle has trouble completing passes when he's scrambling...they should do something about that before the game. What about our receivers...they drop balls in the game...didn't any of the coaches try to teach them how to catch? And I know everybody can see that our offensive line is struggling to keep the defense out of our back field...the coaches should have fix that weeks ago. So if the passionate fans can see all of the mistakes from the stands why can't our coaching staff correct them? Well I think it's too soon to start blaming folks and pointing fingers at the coaches. Now if we had a full complement of "quality" scholarship players and several years playing together, then maybe the mistakes the kids made recently could be blamed on the coaching staff. But a lot of these kids are just learning to play together and we definitely have some big talent deficiencies on this team. So if we lose again, don't look for someone to blame...take a deep breath, remember the mess we were in several years ago...then come on this site and congratulate the coaches and players for doing their best to represent our great University. Aggie Pride!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 22, 2013 15:55:46 GMT -5
7 points 1 out of 14 3rd down conversions 9 total first downs 200 yards of total yards I'm not blaming a single player. I'm blaming the coach and his offensive staff for that garbage on Saturday. There's no way our offense should've been this bad in October, especially after 2 straight losses .. OSA, I respect your unwavering loyalty to all of our coaches, past and present. I just believe you and others have to sometimes be more critical of them, especially when the numbers and performance suggest they didn't have our team ready to play. All of those offensive numbers I repeatedly post were ridiculously low and unacceptable. There has to be a line you draw where you have to say this low level of performance is unacceptable, regardless of the factors we had coming in that game. Those numbers I posted more than qualify...... numbers? are you serious? you can't be serious! stats don’t mean jack when it comes to evaluating coaches, so i really wish you would stop using them as a measurement of good or poor coaching. stats don’t account for a lot of things, least of which is the ability to coach. stats don’t account for injuries, weather, emotions, youth, depth, none of that. and i could go on and on. ask brian jenkins to explain why his dominating bcu team (that won the meac championship, mind you) could only muster “5” total yards rushing against us 2 years ago? “5” total rushing yards! ask brian jenkins why his team only gained a grand total of “108” yards against us? and that’s 108 yards “total offense”! so i guess based on the stats, brian jenkins can’t coach either, huh? so i don’t wanna see any stats relative to the performance of any coaches cuz they don’t mean jack! anybody can use stats to make any point they desire. so stop trying to use stats to conclude anything relative to one’s ability to coach...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 22, 2013 16:37:13 GMT -5
OSA, I know you're allergic to stats, because stats are factual and not opinionated. You'll come around one day...... While you're quick to give stats about BCU 2 years ago, let's go a little further. After that 22-3 loss to A&T in 2011, look at what BCU did the rest of the year: vs Fort Valley: 422 total yards vs Norfolk: 333 total yards vs Central: 525 total yards vs Morgan: 476 total yards vs Savannah: 625 total yards vs FAMU: 340 total yards.
Looking at those numbers, it was clearly obvious that Brian Jenkins was not pleased with the offensive production after his game vs us and made the necessary adjustments to get the Wildcat offense on track......He "tightened up" with his offensive scheme.
I just want Broadway and the offensive staff to "tighten up" on what they are doing on offense for the rest of this year. I have not called for Broadway to be fired.....but for the past year and a half, one side of the ball has clearly been lagging. On Saturday, it was even more glaringly apparent - it was as bad as some games were last year, which led to our OC getting fired.
Hey all, I want Broadway to succeed as much as anyone else on this board....but you have to face facts that we shot a blank on Saturday and there has been a clear trend of "shooting blanks" offensively for the past 2 years.
Why you or anyone else don't want to accept this fact is on you. From all the stats and games I have personally attended, I am not off-base in asking does our staff understand offense. There's no better time than Saturday in Tallahassee to change our offensive fortunes around. I'm pulling for Broadway and his offensive staff to make it happen.....
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 22, 2013 16:56:01 GMT -5
dude, go head and do yo thang and please leave me out of it. i am not gonna waste my time with a bunch of nonsense. i have over 15 years experience as a high school varsity head basketball coach and my athletic director never once used "stats" to perform my evaluation. that's insane! so go ahead dude and do yo thang. nobody can tell you anything...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 22, 2013 17:02:28 GMT -5
Now let's keep it real, OSA..... You brought in the BCU/Brian Jenkins stats.....not me. Then when I show you what he did AFTER THAT GAME, you're quick to back away from the table. What Brian Jenkins did in 2011 is all I want Broadway to do in 2013.
If you don't want to use stats to evaluate someone, cool. But I guarantee you that if you say a player is good or bad, the first thing you or anyone else with common sense does is......LOOK AT HIS/HER STATS TO VALIDATE YOUR THOUGHTS.
Why are you acting as if I'm out on left field with this one?
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 22, 2013 18:01:57 GMT -5
Naborhood,
You do think Broadway is aware of the offense's past performance. He went out and got an experienced offense coord and the man has Coached a fall practice and 4 or 5 games and you are stat evualating the offense already?
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 22, 2013 18:15:28 GMT -5
I do believe Broadway is aware of the poor offense - I'm becoming concerned that he and his staff don't know how to improve it..... friscotxaggie - I'm telling you like I've told everyone else. I understand you cannot win every game. I understand you cannot look like the Denver Broncos or Oregon Ducks week in and week out......believe me, I get it.
But once again, when you can only.... Amass 7 points Convert 1 out of 14 3rd downs Get only 9 first downs Get only 200 yards of offense .....these numbers are far "below the curve" low to accept from an offensive staff in mid-October. If we go down to Tallahassee, put up 300+ yards, score 20-30 points, have a 40% 3rd down conversion rate, etc., I will gladly congratulate this staff for the improvement they've brought forth in one week.
.....I'm not asking for Techmo Bowl numbers; but I damn sure don't have to put up with toilet bowl numbers.
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Post by maxwell12 on Oct 22, 2013 19:55:36 GMT -5
We will Not go to Fl to watch that mess again on offense! Too darn frustrating!
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Post by aggieblackie on Oct 22, 2013 22:08:07 GMT -5
I KNOW "ONE" STAT THAT COUNTS WHEN IT COMES TO EVALUATING A COACH AND THAT IS THE WON - LOSS STAT. YOU AVERAGE A 3 - 8 RECORD FOR THREE YEARS AND SEE WHAT THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR WILL DO WITH THE COACH WITH DAT STAT.
IF STATS DID NOT MATTER THEY WOULD NOT KEEP THEM. NSS IS ON POINT.
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Post by aggieblackie on Oct 22, 2013 22:28:08 GMT -5
I DON'T THINK TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT THE CENTER NOT BEING PREPARED IS NEGATIVE BS. IT IS A FACT. JUST BECAUSE HE IS THIRD STRING AND A FRESHMAN DOES NOT EXCUSE THIS. I AM NOT BLAMING HIM FOR A LOSS OR FOR HIS LACK OF EXPERIENCE OF CENTERING. THAT WAS COACHING. IF THE COACHES KNEW THAT HE HAD TO PLAY THAT POSITION ON SAT THEY SHOULD HAVE PREPARED HIM BETTER.
AS I STATED BEFORE I KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM AND WHERE WE ARE NOW. I THINK COACH BROADWAY WILL SUCCEED AT A&T ONCE HE GETS HIS FULL COMPLIMENT OF PLAYERS. HOWEVER, THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR OUR OVERALL PERFORMANCE AGAINST DEL STATE. WE LOOKED LIKE A D-3 TEAM IMITATING A D-1 SCHOOL.
SOME OF US ON THIS SITE THINK THAT IT IS A CARDINAL RULE TO CRITICIZE COACH BROADWAY. HE IS A VERY GOOD COACH BUT HE CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE JUST AS OUR PREVIOUS COACHES.
AIN'T NOTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THIS - JUST MY OPINION LIKE EVERYONE ELSE'S.
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Post by The Professor on Oct 23, 2013 13:55:18 GMT -5
I just wanna know why after the 1st bad snap did they not go under center
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Post by bluehaze on Oct 23, 2013 14:39:28 GMT -5
The coaches may have felt that Cohen is a better runner out of the shotgun formation than out of the I formation. Wasn't the fullback hurt too?
I'm not in practice, but if they had been game planning and preparing all week to work out of the shotgun, it's hard to just scrap it. They could've felt like it was just nerves and it wouldn't continue. This is all Wednesday afternoon quarterbacking now...
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Oct 23, 2013 14:43:08 GMT -5
I don't know if everyone remembers the trouble that Kindle had taking snaps from under center in the Howard game. I'm guessing he was more comfortable taking the snaps in space in order to see the ball into his hands.... in addition to the points that bluehaze just made.
Unfortunately for us, the 3rd-string center wasn't comfortable snapping him the ball in space.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 23, 2013 15:27:32 GMT -5
Hold up. We can't use stats any more when debating a topic?
Who came up with that rule?
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Post by moonboman on Oct 23, 2013 23:05:51 GMT -5
The entire world use stats in various fields and subject to evaluate performances, outcomes, predictions and a million of other topics or subjects.
Statistics are used everyday in "all" sports no matter what level and for specific reasons. I don't know how in the world an A D does not hold a coach accountable without stats. If he does, he is just as flawed as the coaches he is in charge of. If he does not use stats in certain situations he is not truly evaluating his coaches. In this case a coach can coach 100 years because he is not being truly evaluated.
Stats are necessary no matter what field you are in and especially coaching. All coaches should want to be held accountable and be truly judged as a coach. One factor in evaluating a coach is statistics along with other intangibles to truly evaluate them.
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