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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 21, 2013 16:05:05 GMT -5
Looking at the preseason all-conference lists (since nobody wants to answer my question), offensively we have two second team all conference linemen. If I'm reading correctly, one of those linemen appears to have gone out with an injury and was replaced by a true freshman. No one else on our offense made first team, second team, or honorable mention. I'll rest my case. dooms, you’re right. i don’t think we have such a ton of talent on our team, at least not yet. our junior class is as “thin” as a pencil. our senior class is the last of coach lee’s recruits, some of whom have since left our program and some who never did qualify. broadway has legitimately brought in only 2 official recruiting classes since being hired, this year’s and last year’s. so when folk say we have all of this talent, they can’t be talking about our junior class, there only “11” juniors on our entire team. i think we have about 25 seniors left, but that’s about all. imho, the strength of a strong championship caliber team comes from its juniors and seniors. we have “zero” first team preseason offensive players, but 2 second team players in junior ronald canty who’s our “starting center” that didn’t play against dsu due to injury and the other is junior william robinson who is also on the o-line. on defense, our only first teamer is senior db d’vonte graham but we have 3 second teamers in seniors hearn (dl), crosby (lb), and grant (lb). but that’s it. we didn’t even have anymore players to make the honorable mention list... |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 21, 2013 18:35:41 GMT -5
Dooms (and OSA),
If you want to look at the preseason all-conference teams to make an inference as to look at to expect from a team, then I encourage you to also look at the preseason predicted order of finish, as determined by the conference's head coaches and sports information representatives. We were picked to be 3rd......Delaware State was picked to be 8th. So if you want to rest your case, rest it on all the preseason information....
This is my last question.....What would it have taken for folks to be as upset as I am about our offense this weekend?
Would it have taken only 0-3 points (instead of 7)
Would it have taken 0 out of 14 3rd down conversions (instead of 1 out of 14)
Would it have taken only 50-100 yards of total offense (instead of 208)
Would it have taken only 5 first downs (instead of 9)
.....just let me know what would the "magic numbers" have been on Saturday for you all to have questioned what our staff was doing on offense. If there isn't a "magic number(s)" you have, state that as well.
I have read all of the injuries we had this weekend. I know all of the inherent problems we had coming into this season.....but with that said, I just have a hard time grasping these numbers we amassed on Saturday and how they can be easily excused. It's been over 2 days since that game and I'm still bewildered with how inept we looked offensively.
Please Broadway - let's get this offense on track vs FAMU - I'm counting on it.....
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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 21, 2013 19:00:00 GMT -5
Dooms (and OSA), If you want to look at the preseason all-conference teams to make an inference as to look at to expect from a team, then I encourage you to also look at the preseason predicted order of finish, as determined by the conference's head coaches and sports information representatives. We were picked to be 3rd......Delaware State was picked to be 8th. So if you want to rest your case, rest it on all the preseason information.... This is my last question.....What would it have taken for folks to be as upset as I am about our offense this weekend? Would it have taken only 0-3 points (instead of 7) Would it have taken 0 out of 14 3rd down conversions (instead of 1 out of 14) Would it have taken only 50-100 yards of total offense (instead of 208) Would it have taken only 5 first downs (instead of 9) .....just let me know what would the "magic numbers" have been on Saturday for you all to have questioned what our staff was doing on offense. If there isn't a "magic number(s)" you have, state that as well. I have read all of the injuries we had this weekend. I know all of the inherent problems we had coming into this season.....but with that said, I just have a hard time grasping these numbers we amassed on Saturday and how they can be easily excused. It's been over 2 days since that game and I'm still bewildered with how inept we looked offensively. Please Broadway - let's get this offense on track vs FAMU - I'm counting on it..... This isn't about what it will take for us to get upset about the offense...we agree with you that the offense isn't good. In my opinion, our offense sucks! What I'm not in agreement with you is why. And no "statistics" will change that for me. I believe our offense is awful because we lack the talent on the offense. I think you are implying that we are awful on offense because of coaching mistakes. Now maybe I misinterpreted your comments but that's what I think you're implying. I don't know if our coaches were better at coaching if they could fix our players but so far they haven't been able to do it. But what I do know is these players are not that good talent wise. We are all unhappy at the team's performance but some of us are not ready to blame the coaches for what we think will be fixed next year with more talent. |
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Post by bigpeete1 on Oct 21, 2013 19:00:51 GMT -5
NSS, there you go again not during your research. DSU was pick 8th because they were hit hard by graduation. The DSU team you saw saturday was almost brand new. The offensive line was mostly freshmen and I don't mean redshirt freshmen the QB did not take a snap last year.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 21, 2013 19:24:34 GMT -5
NSS, there you go again not during your research. DSU was pick 8th because they were hit hard by graduation. The DSU team you saw saturday was almost brand new. The offensive line was mostly freshmen and I don't mean redshirt freshmen the QB did not take a snap last year. Understand where I'm coming from.....Dooms used preseason rosters to determine if DSU or A&T had the upper hand going into the game. He thought it favored DSU. I simply gave him another preseason poll (the predicted finish) which would've theoretically favored A&T. I'm not saying to use either to predict who would've won on Saturday. I'm just illustrating that using anything of a preseason nature cannot be used to explain what went down Saturday...... |
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Post by bigpeete1 on Oct 21, 2013 19:47:45 GMT -5
I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM, MY MISTAKE
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Post by aggieblackie on Oct 21, 2013 23:38:33 GMT -5
Why would we have a back up center who can't center the ball correctly? Coaching.
Why can't we recruit a quality Q B? The last one was Maceo. I am behind the coach
also but his honeymoon should be over. When we come off of a poor showing like
we did against Del State - that is coaching my friend. Fobbs and Lee were held
accountable for their ineptness and poor coaching abilities. I am not putting
Broadway in their class but he should and can be held accountable just as
Fobbs and Lee were. Quit making excuses for him. The players that we have
whether they are great or not should be coached right. There is no excuse for
a college team to have a center play that bad as our back up did Sat. That is
coaching or the lack of it.
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Post by DECKS on Oct 22, 2013 11:06:51 GMT -5
^^^Lol, and you had the audacity to accuse me of spreading negative bs on this message board?
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Post by Bigboy on Oct 22, 2013 11:39:36 GMT -5
The center that was making the bad snaps was the 3rd string center and a true freshman. I don't believe he was even recruited as a center. This young man is taking his performance very personal as evidenced by his being upset at practice yesterday and wanting to quit the team because he stated that he kept messing up and he can't seem to get it right. his teammates rallied around him, consoled him until he decided to keep trying to get it right. This is a young kid and he feels that he is being blamed for the lost. I believe he will get it right because he is in fact taking it personal. I know some of you want to blame our recent play on the coaching but this is a team and the blame should be placed on everyone, coaches and players. I have never been a coach so I am not going to even address if the coaching is up to par or not. Broadway has a history of being a very good coach so I am going to hang in there with him because I believe he will bring us a winner in the near future.
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Post by saabman on Oct 22, 2013 11:51:31 GMT -5
The center that was making the bad snaps was the 3rd string center and a true freshman. I don't believe he was even recruited as a center. This young man is taking his performance very personal as evidenced by his being upset at practice yesterday and wanting to quit the team because he stated that he kept messing up and he can't seem to get it right. his teammates rallied around him, consoled him until he decided to keep trying to get it right. This is a young kid and he feels that he is being blamed for the lost. I believe he will get it right because he is in fact taking it personal. I know some of you want to blame our recent play on the coaching but this is a team and the blame should be placed on everyone, coaches and players. I have never been a coach so I am not going to even address if the coaching is up to par or not. Broadway has a history of being a very good coach so I am going to hang in there with him because I believe he will bring us a winner in the near future. Tell the kid to keep his head up. It's all about learning. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 22, 2013 11:56:15 GMT -5
The center that was making the bad snaps was the 3rd string center and a true freshman. I don't believe he was even recruited as a center. This young man is taking his performance very personal as evidenced by his being upset at practice yesterday and wanting to quit the team because he stated that he kept messing up and he can't seem to get it right. his teammates rallied around him, consoled him until he decided to keep trying to get it right. This is a young kid and he feels that he is being blamed for the lost. I believe he will get it right because he is in fact taking it personal. I know some of you want to blame our recent play on the coaching but this is a team and the blame should be placed on everyone, coaches and players. I have never been a coach so I am not going to even address if the coaching is up to par or not. Broadway has a history of being a very good coach so I am going to hang in there with him because I believe he will bring us a winner in the near future. bigboy, i find you to be one of the most "credible" and "rational" posters on this site. i appreciate the inside information that you provide for us. thanks for putting a “human being” on the face of this discussion. but unfortunately, we’ve got a few folks on this message board who could care less about rationale or reason. sometimes our folk don’t realize that this ain’t fantasy football. suffice to say that losing canty to injury really hurt us, but we still can’t blame just one individual for the loss. the game was still winnable despite the high snaps. disgruntled folks can be a “cancer” to a football program. i just wish some folks would learn to understand that football is a “team sport” that requires more than just one person to win or lose games. i think its very “naive” to always point fingers at the coach whenever we lose. we’ve got one of the very best coaches of any hbcu in the country, yet there will always be a few “boo birds” who won’t appreciate that... |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 22, 2013 12:20:19 GMT -5
7 points
1 out of 14 3rd down conversions
9 total first downs
200 yards of total yards
I'm not blaming a single player. I'm blaming the coach and his offensive staff for that garbage on Saturday. There's no way our offense should've been this bad in October, especially after 2 straight losses ..
OSA, I respect your unwavering loyalty to all of our coaches, past and present. I just believe you and others have to sometimes be more critical of them, especially when the numbers and performance suggest they didn't have our team ready to play. All of those offensive numbers I repeatedly post were ridiculously low and unacceptable. There has to be a line you draw where you have to say this low level of performance is unacceptable, regardless of the factors we had coming in that game. Those numbers I posted more than qualify......
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Post by aggienumber4 on Oct 22, 2013 12:28:17 GMT -5
Looking at the preseason all-conference lists (since nobody wants to answer my question), offensively we have two second team all conference linemen. If I'm reading correctly, one of those linemen appears to have gone out with an injury and was replaced by a true freshman. No one else on our offense made first team, second team, or honorable mention. I'll rest my case. dooms, you’re right. i don’t think we have such a ton of talent on our team, at least not yet. our junior class is as “thin” as a pencil. our senior class is the last of coach lee’s recruits, some of whom have since left our program and some who never did qualify. broadway has legitimately brought in only 2 official recruiting classes since being hired, this year’s and last year’s. so when folk say we have all of this talent, they can’t be talking about our junior class, there only “11” juniors on our entire team. i think we have about 25 seniors left, but that’s about all. imho, the strength of a strong championship caliber team comes from its juniors and seniors. we have “zero” first team preseason offensive players, but 2 second team players in junior ronald canty who’s our “starting center” that didn’t play against dsu due to injury and the other is junior william robinson who is also on the o-line. on defense, our only first teamer is senior db d’vonte graham but we have 3 second teamers in seniors hearn (dl), crosby (lb), and grant (lb). but that’s it. we didn’t even have anymore players to make the honorable mention list... Honestly, this my be me being bias, but i believe in my four years playing at T. There where a few kids there that where unbelievable football players...Sadly we couldn't pull out as many wins as a team as we should have. but just to list a few that where recruited by lee and fobes Brandon Long (think he had almost 100 tackles his sr year) Justin Ferrel Quay Long Dvonte Graham (all american) Wallace Miles (record breaker) Mike Mayhew (record breaker) Sanman (great corner) Kelvin Jackson (transferred) Davonte Grant (balling) Travis Crosby (good young kid) Mike Ferg Tyree, Beal, Hearing.. I honestly believe i had a chance to play with a few of the best football players T has seen ... I think Broadway is doing a great job placing kids position to be successful. It just think we have a few kids on the team that are a bit immature that are in key position that are costing us close games. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 22, 2013 14:32:48 GMT -5
This entire conversation reminds me of the Republican Party...you have the tea partyers that scream the loudest and get the most attention. They are also the ones that could cost the Republicans seats. In our case we have negative aggies screaming at the top of their lungs for the coaches heads. Hopefully this minority doesn't cost us good coaches like the tea partyers that are helping the Republican party lose seats.
Let us not forget where we were two years ago.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 22, 2013 14:58:30 GMT -5
This entire conversation reminds me of the Republican Party...you have the tea partyers that scream the loudest and get the most attention. They are also the ones that could cost the Republicans seats. In our case we have negative aggies screaming at the top of their lungs for the coaches heads. Hopefully this minority doesn't cost us good coaches like the tea partyers that are helping the Republican party lose seats. Let us not forget where we were two years ago. I guess I was Ted Cruz last year too when I asked for the removal of Pizzo; and I guess Broadway played the role of Jim Boehner by acquiesing to me and firing Pizzo last year. Dude, leave politics out of this...... 7 points
1 out of 14 3rd down conversions
9 first downs
200 total yards of offenseFOCUS ON THESE NUMBERS in Greensboro and not the politics in DC....... .....and please show me where I have called for Broadway to be fired.......I have called for him and his staff to tighten up on getting this offense better. There is no excuse for numbers that low on Saturday. I didn't call for Broadway and the staff to tighten up after the SCSU loss....
I didn't call for Broadway to tighten up after the Hampton loss...... It's a numbers game to me - you cannot put these abysmal offensive numbers and expect every Aggie to be cool with them. |
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