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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 13:21:42 GMT -5
What the MEAC Schools Spent on Men's Basketball during the 09-10 FY:
Bethune Cookman: $1,480,713
Coppin: $764,275
Delaware St.: $1,689,461
FAMU: $786,730
Hampton: $825,701
Howard: $692,907
MD Eastern Shore: $743,752
Morgan St: $912,541
Norfolk St.: $813,850
NC A&T: $933,240
SC State: $942,559
It appears that A&T spent the 4th most in the conference last season.
ope.ed.gov
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 15, 2011 13:38:24 GMT -5
osa, Believe me - I understand what you're saying. The numbers aren't the Holy Bible.....but it does at least show you that it A&T is by no means financially deprived with respect to our MEAC peers to where we're behind the 8-ball. I have yet to see any numbers where there is an MEAC school with Colonial or Southern Conference athletic dollars where we're losing the FINANCIAL war. We're losing the COACHING war.....
If Morgan and Bethune-Cookman can build winners.....ain't no way in hell A&T shouldn't be capable of doing the same. These excuses need to be put on the shelf - a plan of action needs to implemented with feasible goals to be sought after.
Hilton told me 3 championships in 10 years.....8 years of Eaves - no titles......even George W can tell ya the math doesn't add up.....
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Post by bluehaze on Mar 15, 2011 13:43:34 GMT -5
About to be banned from post season play... elaborate... There were posts in the private forum concerning Morgan's status. I don't want to take someone else's post and put it on this thread. But here is a public record article articles.baltimoresun.com/2010-06-10/sports/bs-sp-apr-morgan-maryland-20100610_1_morgan-state-scholarships-athletes?vm=rMorgan State loses two scholarships for men's basketball Bears fall below cutoff, while Terps' score on rise in latest APR release June 10, 2010| By Jeff Barker, The Baltimore Sun Morgan State's men's basketball team is losing two more scholarships for falling below NCAA standards on players' academic progress, the school and the NCAA said Wednesday...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 14:03:46 GMT -5
For N$$, Here are some CAA Schools and the amounts they spent during the 09-10FY: George Mason: $2,126,409Old Dominion: $2,354,505Virginia Commonwealth: $2,324,111And here are some others: Murray State (OVC): $1,513,316 Lost to (in The Round of 32 By a doggone point after leading most of the game ) Butler (Horizon): $2,822,892 (Lost to Duke in the National Championship game)
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 15, 2011 14:55:11 GMT -5
What the MEAC Schools Spent on Men's Basketball during the 09-10 FY: Bethune Cookman: $1,480,713Coppin: $764,275Delaware St.: $1,689,461FAMU: $786,730Hampton: $825,701Howard: $692,907MD Eastern Shore: $743,752Morgan St: $912,541Norfolk St.: $813,850NC A&T: $933,240SC State: $942,559It appears that A&T spent the 4th most in the conference last season. ope.ed.gov good info, but i don't think we can just look at those numbers and draw any definite conclusions because we need to know how the money was spent. everybody doesn't have the same expenditures. for example, consider travel costs, hotel stay, fees paid to visiting teams, etc. a&t traveled to ohio, kentucky, florida, missippi, california, arizona, arkansas, and indiana for "out of conference" games this season. that's quite a bit of traveling expenses, however we got paid for most of those games but it doesn't show incoming revenue in those figures. don't know how our non-conference travel compares to everybody else or our hotel fees (big difference between 3 or 4 star hotels versus 2 star hotels). but traveling costs don't necessarily contribute to winning unless its traveling costs incurred for recruiting purposes. so my point is, certain expenditures that don't directly impact winning can sometimes skew the budget figures. it would be helpful if those numbers were broken out by specific expenditures...
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Post by faithfulaggie on Mar 15, 2011 15:12:34 GMT -5
If Eaves was to get fired, I wouldn't mind having Stitt as the head coach. Sounds like, If Small was to get fired, I wouldn't mind having Lee as the head coach... So you saying he wouldn't be a good hire?
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Post by bluehaze on Mar 15, 2011 15:19:57 GMT -5
Sounds like, If Small was to get fired, I wouldn't mind having Lee as the head coach... So you saying he wouldn't be a good hire? I wouldn't hire in house. If you are going to make a change, then make a change.
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Post by ohsixrain on Mar 15, 2011 15:36:20 GMT -5
That was me that posted about Capel, Gator! Nabor...I hear your argument about Morgan and Bozeman, but they took a tremendous risk, however, it worked in their favor. Now, we can take a similar risk on Sampson, if he'll come, but if it doesn't work, then we are you?? Your avg. up and coming Div. 1 basketball coach may be interested in the A&T job...but as soon as he sees what he is facing and the resources, in all probability, will back away. Eaves has used his own personal resources in the past to get things done in his program. If he still does, I don't know. Not many coaches out there are willing to do that in this day and age...maybe Sampson will work, but can we afford the risk?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 15:37:36 GMT -5
What the MEAC Schools Spent on Men's Basketball during the 09-10 FY: Bethune Cookman: $1,480,713Coppin: $764,275Delaware St.: $1,689,461FAMU: $786,730Hampton: $825,701Howard: $692,907MD Eastern Shore: $743,752Morgan St: $912,541Norfolk St.: $813,850NC A&T: $933,240SC State: $942,559It appears that A&T spent the 4th most in the conference last season. ope.ed.gov good info, but i don't think we can just look at those numbers and draw any definite conclusions because we need to know how the money was spent. everybody doesn't have the same expenditures. for example, consider travel costs, hotel stay, fees paid to visiting teams, etc. a&t traveled to ohio, kentucky, florida, missippi, california, arizona, arkansas, and indiana for "out of conference" games this season. that's quite a bit of traveling expenses, however we got paid for most of those games but it doesn't show incoming revenue in those figures. don't know how our non-conference travel compares to everybody else or our hotel fees (big difference between 3 or 4 star hotels versus 2 star hotels). but traveling costs don't necessarily contribute to winning unless its traveling costs incurred for recruiting purposes. so my point is, certain expenditures that don't directly impact winning can sometimes skew the budget figures. it would be helpful if those numbers were broken out by specific expenditures... Well here is some more specific data from the OPE site Operating (Game Day) Expenses for A&T 09-10FY Total: $275,608Participants: 13 Amount spent per participant: $21,201Head Coach Salary:* Total Men's Basketball Revenue: $933,240* - Not from the OPE Site. Also, it's data that's isn't in the public view. But the average for A&T is $96,528.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 15, 2011 16:02:04 GMT -5
That was me that posted about Capel, Gator! Nabor...I hear your argument about Morgan and Bozeman, but they took a tremendous risk, however, it worked in their favor. Now, we can take a similar risk on Sampson, if he'll come, but if it doesn't work, then we are you?? Your avg. up and coming Div. 1 basketball coach may be interested in the A&T job...but as soon as he sees what he is facing and the resources, in all probability, will back away. Eaves has used his own personal resources in the past to get things done in his program. If he still does, I don't know. Not many coaches out there are willing to do that in this day and age...maybe Sampson will work, but can we afford the risk? Who ever said anything about Kevin Sampson? Not me. More than one person can adequately do the job at A&T. Just because a coach isn't a household name doesn't mean anything. Folks get infatuated with names ---- I'm infatuated with resumes. You don't need a big name to make a "little program" win. Look at the 13 names I've given on a prior thread. All are quality coaches with whom I'm confident 10+ of them would give A&T a good look. FOLKS NEED JOBS!! There are quality coaches out there that can be ours ---- WE HAVE TO BE VOCAL. I was living in Indiana when Kevin Sampson was coaching there - he left that proud program in shambles. He pulled the same stuff at OU beforehand - HE'S HAD HIS 2ND CHANCE.....leave his crazy a$$ alone. MORE THAN ONE MAN CAN DO WELL WITH THIS ONE JOB......
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Post by aggie82 on Mar 15, 2011 16:16:48 GMT -5
this is a high risk, low reward scenario...lose and you might be out of coaching, win and you got nowhere to go..after capel parlayed this into old dominion, he went straight to the NBA after he was fired..Curtis Hunter is coaching high school, they ran Big Don out just like they did Coach Hayes...Capel and Hunter both came from D2 Fayetteville St, and Coach Thomas came from Tyler Jr College in Texas..Capel turned out to be a good pick after Corbett, but after he saw how things really work around here, he left for greener pastuers...
we were a whole lot more attractive then, and all we could get was 2 div 2 coaches and a juco coach...i dont think that we realize that these are people's livlihood that we're talking about...again, why would anyone with a decent coaching resume who could possibly get off over the hump want to come here?
we dont have a lot to offer, so why does everyone keep thinking that this is a good job? we cant even get kids from north carolina to come here and play; we only have 3 kids from NC on the roster; Morgan has 9 kids from the DC Maryland area ! ! and the reason is this, we havent been good since before they were born ! ! ! my kids play ball (ages 17 and 12) and they dont even want to go with me to the games...
We're nowhere near as bad as football, but it gonna take more than a different coach to get us back on the right track...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 15, 2011 16:33:58 GMT -5
while i don't agree with most of superstar's posts regarding eaves' job, i do agree that there's plenty of quality coaches out there who can step in and win at a&t. and i mean "PLENTY". i know because i use to be a part of the coaching fraternity for 15 years.
the issue isn't whether very capable coaches are out there, the issue is whether hilton and his staff are capable of picking the right one. i mean, hampton's joyner didn't come from a major d1 background. nor did reed at bcu. in fact, reed's only head job has been at bcu and joyner's only head job other than hampton was at jcsu as the women's coach.
so there's plenty of capable candidates out there who don't jump right out at you because they all don't have nationally known names. we don't necessarily need a coach with a d1 background. look at moten at nccu? the pool of good coaches will "NEVER" run dry. we just need to know how to pick the right ones and give them the support they need...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Mar 15, 2011 16:37:09 GMT -5
by the way, if it wasn't for reed's son, he wouldn't be winning big at bcu...
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 15, 2011 17:47:01 GMT -5
by the way, if it wasn't for reed's son, he wouldn't be winning big at bcu... Sounds to me like you're waiting on Frank Eaves ;D 8 YEARS FOLKS......8 YEARS. Aggie Nation is a glutton for punishment..... Lawd - please rid A&T of its masochistic ways - rebuke it from thine souls
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Post by aggie82 on Mar 15, 2011 19:04:05 GMT -5
BTW, I saw Reed's son as a freshman, and I knew he was gonna be pretty good...
Did anyone besides me realize that we havent been good since the NCAA put all of the colleges under one umbrella? We got players during the Corbett era because of the different rules; Since the consolidation in the mid 80's to early 90's, we havent had a stud player, and now we are on the 4th coach since the corbett era...Have we won 20 games since Capel?
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