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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 25, 2012 17:12:12 GMT -5
so with off season reps, are you saying make a kid catch a bunch of passes repeatedly while in traffic and then hit his azz every time until he learns to catch balls while absorbing contact? Yes and no. Its hard to simulate traffic. Just catching a ton of passes across the middle, preferably from the guy that will be throwing them to you in a game should be enough. My philosophy is that if your dropping passes your just dont catch THAT type of pass enough. WRs shouldn't see or hear background noise. That whole hearing footsteps thing is a myth. Whats really going on is that you dont run that route and catch balls enough, so you're uncomfortable. Of course my defensive coordinator will completely disagree and say it the footsteps, but I equate dropping passes to shooting free throws. If your not interferred with or have the ball dislodged by a hit should catch it no matter what. Most of our drops or MEAC drops are not dislodged drops. They are concentration drops. Miles was good. He completely ignored the defender.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 25, 2012 17:56:14 GMT -5
well, okay. but i'd have to agree with your dc. some receivers do hear footsteps and try to catch the ball with alligator arms. that's where the term "alligator arms" comes from. dude is afraid to extend his arms like he should because he's more concerned about protecting himself from the inevitable hit. also some guys take their eyes off of the ball and instead looks at oncoming defenders to avoid getting hit. a lot of drops occur that way.
look, i'd never be a wide receiver who goes over the middle. i was a running back, i could always see who's gonna hit me before i got hit. that's a lot easier than keeping your eyes on the ball despite who's about to hit you. i could catch the ball up field. but i'd think twice before catching a ball over the middle in traffic, that's a very difficult thing to do. by no means am i trying to say that's something every receiver should be able to do.
they're starting to change the rules in the nfl where ya can no longer hit an "unprotected" receiver across the middle. i think some of the most "vicious" hits in football happen under those circumstances. i'd do almost anything else on a football field, but i wouldn't be the one who would volunteer to catch passes across the middle. i'm just keeping it real here... ;D
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Post by krazykev on Jan 25, 2012 20:33:03 GMT -5
Mayhew has already said he was returning for 2012. McGinn now gives us that big power back we've been missing for a long long time. McGinn is going to be an H-Back which is a TE/FB role like Tony Coles
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Post by The Professor on Jan 25, 2012 22:19:49 GMT -5
Southern signing class far from Spartan01.25.12 - 02:16 am BY MARK DONOVAN mdonovan@heraldsun.com; 419-6655 DURHAM — The Soutnern Spartans will be sending at least seven players to the next level, according to head football coach Adrian Jones. That number could rise to nine, as two Spartans stars are making their official college visits this weekend and hoping for scholarship offers in advance of national signing day on Feb. 1. Already to scheduled to sign national letters-of-intent in the Southern gym will be outside linebacker Jeremy Thompson (N.C. Central), defensive end/long snapper Micah Martin (NCCU), wire receiver Jemiah Johnson (St. Augustine’s), quarterback Dorian Belcher (N.C. A&T or Western Carolina), wide receiver Darren Bullock (NCCU or N.C. A&T), defensive back Reggie Prince (N.C. A&T) and weakside linebacker Iian Fleming (Ferrum College). Several of those players played more than one position at Southern, the positions listed above are where they are expected to play in college. Two additional Southern stars — running back Akeem Judd and middle linebacker Grande “Lee” Harley, perhaps the team’s top college prospects — have received scholarship offers to attend Georgia Military College, a junior college where they can hone their academics before moving on to major college football. Jones said Georgia Military is a hotbed for Southeastern Conference recruiting. Harley (6-1, 240) is a former fullback who played linebacker for a year at Southern, leading the team with 103 tackles. Among those were six tackles for loss, three sacks, three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries and two interceptions, one of which he returned for a score. He also scored a rushing touchdown on offense. Judd (5-10, 205, 4.4-second 40) rushed for 1,700 yards and 14 touchdowns while adding 200-plus yards receiving. Judd had gotten a look from the North Carolina coaching staff before Butch Davis was fired but hopes for a future in the SEC, Jones said. In addition to the nine players mentioned, Southern offensive lineman A.J. Dailey (6-4, 325) hopes for offers from N.C. A&T or N.C. Wesleyan in the near future. Defensive end Josh Cutler (6-2, 205) is visiting Elizabeth City State this weekend with hopes of an offer, as well. Here’s a look at the certain college signees-to-be: — Thompson (OLB, 6-2, 225) had 75 tackles, fives sacks, two interceptions, three fumble recoveries and five pass break-ups. — Martin (DE/LS, 6-2, 215) had 45 tackles — eight for losses — and seven sacks. — Johnson (WR, 6-1, 185, 4.65 in the 40) caught 38 passes for 636 yards and five touchdowns. — Belcher (QB, 6-1, 185) passed or ran for 36 touchdowns and had 2,000-plus yards passing and 633 rushing. An all-around talent who also starts for the Southern basketball team (along with Prince), Belcher punted for a net average of 40 yards and on defense played safety and intercepted three passes as a senior. — Bullock (WR, 6-0, 175, 4.55 in the 40) scored 11 touchdowns — one on a punt return, 10 receiving — and racked up 1,200-plus receiving yards. — Prince (DB, 6-0, 175, 4.46 in the 40) broke up eight passes, picked off three and made 30 tackles while earning all-conference honors as both a defensive back and a kick return specialist. www.heraldsun.net/printer_friendly/17279287
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 25, 2012 22:32:55 GMT -5
[— Prince (DB, 6-0, 175, 4.46 in the 40) broke up eight passes, picked off three and made 30 tackles while earning all-conference honors as both a defensive back and a kick return specialist. www.heraldsun.net/printer_friendly/17279287man, i estimated his speed pretty accurately after watching his video. i estimated that he probably runs between a 4.4 and a 4.5 in the forty and i nailed it... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2012 22:39:51 GMT -5
Looks like we might have a back up QB coming in. I like.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 26, 2012 8:09:05 GMT -5
well, okay. but i'd have to agree with your dc. some receivers do hear footsteps and try to catch the ball with alligator arms. that's where the term "alligator arms" comes from. dude is afraid to extend his arms like he should because he's more concerned about protecting himself from the inevitable hit. also some guys take their eyes off of the ball and instead looks at oncoming defenders to avoid getting hit. a lot of drops occur that way. It's called concentration. Whatever you want to name it. "alligator arms", "hearing footsteps", etc. The real word is concentration. Get the ball first. Your going to get hit anyway. I played WR. I'm 6'2", so I didn't mind the hits in high school. DBs and LBs in college were a lot bigger and the ball is coming a lot faster, so you have to re-train yourself about going across the middle again. Reps with your QB in the offseason is the only way to fix it. Hopefully one or more of those 3 mentioned will be working with Kindle all Summer. I'm big proponent of 7on7, but only if its done right. the goal in 7on7 should be to improve WR timing on crossing and out patterns. Not to Bomb the other team to death just so you can say you won the 7on7. The teams that are good rarely ever win them cause they are just using them to get better. Broadway seems to be bringing in the "football heads" this program has been missing for the last decade.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 26, 2012 10:33:06 GMT -5
i dunno, monster. i'm of the belief that anything that cannot be simulated cannot be practiced. there's several components to catching a football in traffic. concentration is definitely one of them, but absorbing contact is one of them too. if you don't incorporate the absorbing contact component of it, concentration alone won't prepare you to absorb contact in a game.
for example, a running back who has fumble problems is taught to tuck the ball in, grip it firmly, concentrate on holding onto the ball, and protect it with two hands when possible. a running back can certainly practice those things. but unless he practices those things along with physical contact, its not gonna help him a lot as far as holding onto catches in traffic while being hit...
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 26, 2012 10:57:08 GMT -5
You asked. I answered. You cant simulate traffic nor BIG a$$ LBs in the offseason. It's illegal to hit in the offseason unless its spring ball(college only), so while I get what your saying I'm telling you what you can do WITHIN the rules. Anything below college level CAN NOT hit after the season is over and prior to August and a week of conditioning before hand! If you get caught letting kids hit prior to that you will be fined! Both Hillside and Southern Durham were fined this past summer for letting kids have contact during the first week of practice. And when I say "contact" I'm also talking about coaches holding blocking dummies as well. There are also practice hour limits in place. Go over them and let someone have proof and see what happens. Again, let me stress that if a WR or ANYONE for that matter wants to get better it has to be in HIM to workout with his teammates on his own. Coaches can only be involved so much in the offseason. They can make the facilities available and may have someone oversee things, but there are rules. You cant be out there teaching a WR to catch passes over the middle by pummeling him play after play. Honestly, that might break most kids spirit anyway. Bad coaching technique for youngsters. Of course there are ways around that(practice limits). For kids I want to work out with I invite their dads and I bring my son. Then we are just some men and their son's on a satruday afternoon playing catch. No dad, no play.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 26, 2012 11:25:29 GMT -5
yeah, it doesn't make sense to make contact during the offseason, especially guys who are rehabbing. but i'm talking about during the preseason and regular season practices. i know in basketball, we use blocking dummies during some of our layup drills to simulate contact when going to the basket. a similar drill could probably be used for catching passes in traffic with contact. not quite the same as real live hits, but its better than no contact at all.
i asked you because i thought maybe you had been to some coaching clinics or something like that where they may have taught some drills for that. i haven't played contact football since high school and i've never coached the sport. so i just thought thru your experiences you may have run across some drills designed to prepare receivers how to absorb contact upon catching passes. i'm sure there's some drills that can be used that'll help, but i doubt if any of them can simulate real game situations.
oh well, guess we've beat this subject to death. time to move on...
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Post by aggieclt on Jan 26, 2012 12:05:35 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie Monster on Jan 26, 2012 13:51:16 GMT -5
Its interesting how many kids are willing to sit out a year to go play for them. I guess a chance to play all four years is enticing.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 26, 2012 13:59:02 GMT -5
i think a full ride is enticing. they're probably not getting the "top" fcs athletes yet, nor did odu at first. because most do want to play right away, especially your top players.
don't know what kind of football facilities charlotte has or has planned to build, but i think odu began to pickup high caliber players once they started playing ball games and had all of those spanking brand new facilities in place to show recruits...
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jan 26, 2012 16:45:45 GMT -5
i think a full ride is enticing. they're probably not getting the "top" fcs athletes yet, nor did odu at first. because most do want to play right away, especially your top players. don't know what kind of football facilities charlotte has or has planned to build, but i think odu began to pickup high caliber players once they started playing ball games and had all of those spanking brand new facilities in place to show recruits... UNCC will have a top notch football facilities from day one. Last I heard they had raised millions to help pay for the $40.5 million statium they started building last April. As of late 2011 they had only reported 2,300 PSL's sold but I'm sure that will jump when the stadium is finished this year in July. UNCC will grab a lot of corporate dollars and buzz when they start playing football next year. I don't know if the team will be any good but initially they will have lots of money for scholarships, to recruit and buy stuff.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jan 26, 2012 17:14:48 GMT -5
my understanding is that unc charlotte had a very wealthy single donor (can't remember his name) who donated a very substantial amount of money to build their new stadium. before then, i don't think they were on schedule to meet their fundraising goals.
while i'm sure they'll have far more than any hbcu financially. and i'm sure they will fund the maximum allowed in scholarships. but i don't think they'll have as much funding as odu. we'll see. but odu has tons of money. money was never an issue for their program to get off the ground.
i think ultimately unc charlotte will have a decent program. but i don't think they'll be a carbon copy of odu. i don't see them elevating their program as quickly as odu did. they'll probably surpass most hbcu fcs programs within 2 years of fielding a team. but i don't think they'll make a serious run for the national championship as quickly as odu did...
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