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Post by bseballaggie on Sept 15, 2010 12:45:23 GMT -5
folks, a lot of you guys are playing "arm chair quarterback" and i'm tellin' ya, its not as easy as you think. we've got all of these brilliant arm chair oc's and not a single one has ever been hired to run someone's offense. yet, they've got all of these perfect solutions to our offense. guys, i'm tellin' ya, its not as simple as you think. this isn't sandlot football! you can't just draw up an alignment on a piece of paper and expect it to work overnight. the game is far more sophisticated than that! a lot of work goes into executing 11 positons in an offense and you just can't draw up a sandlot play at the fcs level and expect to be successful. maybe we don't have the absolute best oc on our staff. i get that. but to act like you can do a better job than an oc who has multiple years of experience is ludicrous. if you spent just one game on the sideline as an oc, you'd see how difficult the oc position actually is. especially when you don't have all of your weapons. wow, 3 rb's and 2 te's as a conventional offensive alignment? unbelievable... If you haven't done it you can say this, ask any of the coaches in a relaxed enviroment they will tell you its only football, X's and O's the only variables are talent, strength and speed! Lets analyze the young OC at ECU, who was OC at Texas Tech last season at a young 24 years old are you saying he coached DIV1 football while he was in college. |
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 15, 2010 13:15:11 GMT -5
No oleschoolaggie...I'll be the first to tell you I can't coach as o-coordinator. But, I do know that an o-coordinator should be able to expose weaknesses of a defense. Your offensive scheme should be flexible enough to adjust what a defenses are giving you. If not, then you are not a college offensive coordinator. Also, we talk about talent and execution. The more you understand an offensive scheme and what it is designed to do, the better you are at execution...thus the Woffolds, Ga. Southerns of the world understand their offensive scheme. So, if someone goes down to injury the next in line can come in and execute as well. So, what am I saying? Our coaching should be able to explain the game plan of the offensive scheme so the players can understand from beginning to end...thus execution can be alot better. I don't think that is happening. I think our staff explains and breakdown plays into responsibility, but I think it should be a bigger picture offensively. The offensive coordinator should run baiting plays in order to set up bigger plays once the defense bites. Just my opinion.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 15, 2010 13:21:39 GMT -5
folks, a lot of you guys are playing "arm chair quarterback" and i'm tellin' ya, its not as easy as you think. we've got all of these brilliant arm chair oc's and not a single one has ever been hired to run someone's offense. yet, they've got all of these perfect solutions to our offense. guys, i'm tellin' ya, its not as simple as you think. this isn't sandlot football! you can't just draw up an alignment on a piece of paper and expect it to work overnight. the game is far more sophisticated than that! a lot of work goes into executing 11 positons in an offense and you just can't draw up a sandlot play at the fcs level and expect to be successful. maybe we don't have the absolute best oc on our staff. i get that. but to act like you can do a better job than an oc who has multiple years of experience is ludicrous. if you spent just one game on the sideline as an oc, you'd see how difficult the oc position actually is. especially when you don't have all of your weapons. wow, 3 rb's and 2 te's as a conventional offensive alignment? unbelievable... If you haven't done it you can say this, ask any of the coaches in a relaxed enviroment they will tell you its only football, X's and O's the only variables are talent, strength and speed! Lets analyze the young OC at ECU, who was OC at Texas Tech last season at a young 24 years old are you saying he coached DIV1 football while he was in college. we're talking about oc's and yes, he has d1 experience from a bcs conference. sure, a coach may tell you its about x's and o's. but that's because he doesn't have time to explain all of the details that goes into preparing an offense to execute an offensive system. do you even realize that its a year round effort preparing an offense to execute? the bottom line is that he has experience and he understands the "detail" that goes into executing an offense. you've got to "specifically" define the movements and timing of 11 football players. its not as simple as you think. it takes years of experience to become an oc. "no one" walks into an oc position without years of experience either playing, coaching, or both... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 15, 2010 13:28:16 GMT -5
No oleschoolaggie...I'll be the first to tell you I can't coach as o-coordinator. But, I do know that an o-coordinator should be able to expose weaknesses of a defense. Your offensive scheme should be flexible enough to adjust what a defenses are giving you. If not, then you are not a college offensive coordinator. Also, we talk about talent and execution. The more you understand an offensive scheme and what it is designed to do, the better you are at execution...thus the Woffolds, Ga. Southerns of the world understand their offensive scheme. So, if someone goes down to injury the next in line can come in and execute as well. So, what am I saying? Our coaching should be able to explain the game plan of the offensive scheme so the players can understand from beginning to end...thus execution can be alot better. I don't think that is happening. I think our staff explains and breakdown plays into responsibility, but I think it should be a bigger picture offensively. The offensive coordinator should run baiting plays in order to set up bigger plays once the defense bites. Just my opinion. i don't disagree with anything that you just posted. again, i'm not totally letting our oc off the hook. but let's not get into these conjured up plays on the fly as if the solution is that simple. you can't underestimate the loss of your starting qb when his backups are a major step down. i've said this before, so i'll say it again. if i fault our staff for anything, its for not having an fcs starting quality backup qb on our roster. but your point is well taken... |
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 15, 2010 13:44:47 GMT -5
I just read a post by Dooms saying that our execution is way too slow...I credit that to comfortability and understanding of the offensive scheme. Of course some plays are better than others. But, this isn't high school where you can just run plays...defenses are too sophisticated on this level. So, we have to come to the game with more than just plays in a playbook. And to that point...once a defense gets film on your plays, you're doomed anyway. That's why the suggested of using the same formation to run several plays isn't such a bad idea because at minimum a defense can't dissect your play before you snap the ball. But that's elementary!!! Our offensive coach doesn't even do that.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Sept 15, 2010 15:46:27 GMT -5
I agree with Oldschool Aggie; however I may not be football smart enough to be a college Off. Coord. but I would be smart enough to run MORE THAN ONE RB!!!
I cant see were that's even debateble its just dum to run one rb in the ground espically when your o-line is not stellar. Even a fresher Mayhew in the second half will make a big difference
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 15, 2010 16:24:47 GMT -5
Well, historically we haven't really been consistent offensively since what, 2001? Offensive ineptitude is as ingrained in the culture of the school as is strong defensive output.
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Post by DECKS on Sept 15, 2010 17:31:33 GMT -5
I agree with Oldschool Aggie; however I may not be football smart enough to be a college Off. Coord. but I would be smart enough to run MORE THAN ONE RB!!! I cant see were that's even debateble its just dum to run one rb in the ground espically when your o-line is not stellar. Even a fresher Mayhew in the second half will make a big difference What good will that do when defenders are in the backfield as soon as the handoff is made?  |
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Post by aggie62 on Sept 15, 2010 18:00:04 GMT -5
Come on, oleschoolaggie, let's be real. A decent O-Coordinator would run a tight configuration (5 linemen, 2 tight ends and 3 running backs) to nullify a defense with 8 men in the box. A GOOD O-Coordinator would continually run this configuration and throw a pass or 2 from it until the defense loosen up.. sure, that's a genius concept. you've got "zero" wide receivers on the field (which is probably the strength of your offense) and 3 running backs. that pretty much assures a defense can not only put 8 in the box, they can cram 9, maybe even 10 in the box! you don't even need db's on the field since there's no wr's. you've basically defined a "goal line" offense, its nothing new. and "every team" has a goal line defense that can "easily" counter that alignment. you're pretty much telling the defense there's almost no chance of you throwing the ball. and if you do, all they have to do is cover a friggin' running back which usually linebackers can cover! unless your team is brutally stronger in the trenches than your opponent (and so far, we haven't been), that's a scheme that's easy to defend because your options are extremely limited. you're basically telling the defense that you're running the ball. put a db (or a safety for that matter) 1-on-1 on the running back receiver(s), and he won't catch jack. if i'm a d-coordinator, i'd more than welcome that alignment. man, that alignment sounds like you're playing pickup football in the backyard... My only response to you is that it worked against WSSU's stacked defense and, simply put, with a lead and 3 minutes to go in the game why didn't he keep on using it until they stopped it. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand the football concept of taking what the defense is giving you. 'Again, it blows my mind' |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Sept 15, 2010 22:13:10 GMT -5
I agree with Oldschool Aggie; however I may not be football smart enough to be a college Off. Coord. but I would be smart enough to run MORE THAN ONE RB!!! I cant see were that's even debateble its just dum to run one rb in the ground espically when your o-line is not stellar. Even a fresher Mayhew in the second half will make a big difference What good will that do when defenders are in the backfield as soon as the handoff is made? Maybe none other than the fact that there is no way Mayhew will be capbale of finishing the season. Who we gone put in the game then ? |
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Post by bseballaggie on Sept 16, 2010 9:43:43 GMT -5
the bottom line is that he has experience and he understands the "detail" that goes into executing an offense. you've got to "specifically" define the movements and timing of 11 football players. its not as simple as you think. it takes years of experience to become an oc. "no one" walks into an oc position without years of experience either playing, coaching, or both... So please explain to me why we hire an OC without experience and who does not understand executing, timing. Again at what college did this 24 year old OC, coach before he became good enough to coach Div1 BCS, lets just agree that he has a higher football IQ, you get it by studying and testing, I don't know what you know until you are tested.  He is being tested at a higher level, look at his grades, ours is being tested, what grade would you give him? Maybe I should put this question before a panel of coaches or X coaches! |
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Post by bseballaggie on Sept 16, 2010 9:56:23 GMT -5
Thrilla there are X coaches and coaches reading this board, the disagreements to what I'm saying you can read, are minimal at best!! I'm just thinking out loud, whatever Junior college are college that prepared this kid in such a short period time to coach OC on the BCS level has a summer camp and we can send ours there this summer, I'm just saying |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2010 11:44:38 GMT -5
Why are you referring to me? Oldschool was the one who made those comments.
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Post by Aggie One on Sept 16, 2010 11:56:00 GMT -5
Please look at the right side of the offensive line on film and then really evaluate the performance off that side. You will find your answers there.
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Post by bseballaggie on Sept 17, 2010 8:52:06 GMT -5
Why are you referring to me? Oldschool was the one who made those comments. Ooops, multi tasking I stand corrected!! |
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