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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 13, 2009 8:35:25 GMT -5
I'm not necessarily picking on this game or that game. I'm pointing out the fact that Eaves systematically does several things that winners don't do. Look at HU, Del. St., Morgan, and coppin's schedules! All of these schools have done some big winning within the last 10 years and all have something in common! None of them have more than 1 cupcake out of conference!!!
We all know the slacker in our offices/businesses. You look at him and realize that as long as he has those bad habits and poor work ethic that he'll NEVER make it to management. Look at it like that.
We're the slacker! We consistently do things that the winners don't do. But yet and still, there are people that will continue to support/tolerate this. It's crazy.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Oct 13, 2009 8:54:46 GMT -5
The bottom line is that we're not doing what winners in our own conference do........Period. Stop making excuses for a losing strategy. Excellent point. Money this Money that. You knew what the deal was when you came to A&T as head coach. Money has and will always be the issue with athletics, but clearly we have seen people do alot more with a lot less.... Planning is everything. Ive yet to see a strategy. What are the short and long term goals for the players, the staff, hell the whole program? You've been a head coach here for almost a decade, what is your overall analysis of the program and how do we get to the next level....?
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2009 9:40:44 GMT -5
Whatever. Look at the last 5-10 regular season and conference champions' schedules and tell me who has cupcakes like we do. The bottom line is that we're not doing what winners in our own conference do. And in its simplest form, that is idiotic. It doesn't matter what else you say. When you don't do what winners do, then you are, at best, doing a good job on eventually being a loser. Period. Stop making excuses for a losing strategy. personally, i don't have a problem with eaves scheduling cupcakes. he's got to strike a balance between having about 10 virtually guaranteed money making azz whuppings on the schedule versus 3 cupcakes. the only problem i have with the cupcakes we schedule is that no one have ever heard of them. i mean, who's ever heard of davis & elkins college? what's wrong with trying schedule greensboro college or guildford college? at least our fans are familiar with those schools and who knows, those schools may even bring a few fans with them. and regarding aahhbigboy's point, eaves "only" has 3 cupcakes on the schedule. just 3! so how in the hail is that a "losing strategy"? unc plays several cupcakes "every year" and they're the defending national champs! so i guess roy williams has a losing strategy too? this year unc plays nccu, florida international, belmont abbey, garner-webb, presbyterian, college of charleston, and albany college. that's "7" cupcakes on their schedule! eaves only has 3. yep, i guess that unc scheduling model is a losing strategy alright. so aahhbigboy, could you please explain how in the hail is scheduling 3 cupcakes a "losing strategy"?
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Post by aggieman007 on Oct 13, 2009 9:52:04 GMT -5
I'm not necessarily picking on this game or that game. I'm pointing out the fact that Eaves systematically does several things that winners don't do. Look at HU, Del. St., Morgan, and coppin's schedules! All of these schools have done some big winning within the last 10 years and all have something in common! None of them have more than 1 cupcake out of conference!!! We all know the slacker in our offices/businesses. You look at him and realize that as long as he has those bad habits and poor work ethic that he'll NEVER make it to management. Look at it like that. We're the slacker! We consistently do things that the winners don't do. But yet and still, there are people that will continue to support/tolerate this. It's crazy. Man you have issues "delusional"
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Post by aggielove on Oct 13, 2009 13:18:25 GMT -5
oleschool, did you forget the league that the 2 teams you are referencing play in? UNC can afford to schedule more of those filler because the ACC has competition aplenty throughout. The MEAC is typically one of the lowest, if not the absolute bottom RPI conference year in and year out. The only way to get better is to play better competition, not beating up on schools, like you've said, that no one has ever heard of.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 13, 2009 18:12:58 GMT -5
Whatever. Look at the last 5-10 regular season and conference champions' schedules and tell me who has cupcakes like we do. The bottom line is that we're not doing what winners in our own conference do. And in its simplest form, that is idiotic. It doesn't matter what else you say. When you don't do what winners do, then you are, at best, doing a good job on eventually being a loser. Period. Stop making excuses for a losing strategy. personally, i don't have a problem with eaves scheduling cupcakes. he's got to strike a balance between having about 10 virtually guaranteed money making azz whuppings on the schedule versus 3 cupcakes. the only problem i have with the cupcakes we schedule is that no one have ever heard of them. i mean, who's ever heard of davis & elkins college? what's wrong with trying schedule greensboro college or guildford college? at least our fans are familiar with those schools and who knows, those schools may even bring a few fans with them. and regarding aahhbigboy's point, eaves "only" has 3 cupcakes on the schedule. just 3! so how in the hail is that a "losing strategy"? unc plays several cupcakes "every year" and they're the defending national champs! so i guess roy williams has a losing strategy too? this year unc plays nccu, florida international, belmont abbey, garner-webb, presbyterian, college of charleston, and albany college. that's "7" cupcakes on their schedule! eaves only has 3. yep, i guess that unc scheduling model is a losing strategy alright. so aahhbigboy, could you please explain how in the hail is scheduling 3 cupcakes a "losing strategy"? C'mon Oldeschool. I know you to be smarter than this. Comparing our bball situation is like comparing your bank account to Oprah's. Oprah can do things everyday that we can only dream about and still be OK. If we try to mimic her spending, we'll be sleeping under a bridge. Get it? ACC schools are in a different world. Their scheduling has to do with favors, special handshakes by trustess, etc. I mean, UNC traditionally would play in the hometown of one of their star freshman recruits! That is why I, logically, compared our scheduling to the big boy teams in our league. It's one simple sentence that summarizes it all......... We don't do what the winners in our conference do, and that is probably why we haven't won in the last 7-9 years.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2009 20:01:56 GMT -5
oleschool, did you forget the league that the 2 teams you are referencing play in? UNC can afford to schedule more of those filler because the ACC has competition aplenty throughout. The MEAC is typically one of the lowest, if not the absolute bottom RPI conference year in and year out. The only way to get better is to play better competition, not beating up on schools, like you've said, that no one has ever heard of. you mean to tell me that the following schools aren't "better competition"? marshall, ohio univ., middle tenn. state, utep, new mexico state, lamar univ., northwestern univ., miami hurricanes, tenn. vols, and tulane? they're all on eaves' schedule this year! and every single one of them come from a higher rated conference than the meac. so i don't quite understand your point. i've listed 10 out of conference opponents above that are better than typical meac competition. we will not be favored to win any of those games. so are you suggesting that we should take our other 3 remaining out of conference games and schedule 3 more azz whuppings instead of keeping the 3 cupcakes (so that we can give your guys a break)? naw, the guys will need a break after going through such a grueling road schedule...
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Post by aggie62 on Oct 13, 2009 20:56:23 GMT -5
Excellent observations.........
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 13, 2009 21:49:40 GMT -5
oldschool I am with you a 100% on this one. It would be great if the 3 cupcakes were lower Div. Greensboro schools or small CIAA Teams. But the schedule has balance and thats the key.
If you really look at the 10 out conference games they are great picks. They all will bring in good to big pay days and we have a chance to be competitive in all these games except maybe Miami & Tennesse.
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Post by aggielove on Oct 14, 2009 14:37:26 GMT -5
oleschool, you don't have to take 3 more a$$ whippings, but you can play someone of better quality than Davis & Elkins, the Merchant Marines and the like. you say you don't get my point, but i was just trying to understand your point of comparing A&T's bball team to UNC's. The only thing we have in common with them is North Carolina.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 14, 2009 15:40:37 GMT -5
aggielove, obviously, we're not on unc's level. everyone knows that. but the point i'm making is that unc doesn't load their non-conference schedule with only top notch teams for the same reason eaves doesn't load his with only higher rated teams. even teams as talented as unc has to give its a players a break sometimes. you can't play the absolute best teams every time you schedule a non-conference game because it'll take a very taxing toll on your team.
all teams intentionally schedule cupcakes except for schools like coppin who care more about collecting checks than giving their players a break. that's why coppin traditionally doesn't win many non-conference games.
i have no problem with the level of quality of the davis & elkins or the merchant marines of the world. it's the lack of name recognition that i have a problem with because it doesn't generate fan interest. i see nothing wrong with scheduling 3 cupcakes if you've got 10 virtually guaranteed non-conference azz whuppings on your schedule. if we were dominating the meac, perhaps then i could see stiffening up the 3 cupcakes because then we'd have some easy games in the conference. but eaves' team won't have any "easy" games in the conference. anyone in the conference is capable of beating us. we have to play our hardest in all conference games to get a win.
that being said, when does your team get a break? unc's cupcakes are intended to give them a break because they play in arguably the top basketball conference in the country. so they can't take a break in conference play. then, if unc schedules all of their non-conference games against top notch teams, the team will burn themselves out by the end of the season. not to mention, their reserves who aren't in the primary rotation won't get any playing time.
if eaves doesn't schedule any cupcakes, when will the guys at the end of the bench get playing time? when will the freshmen at the end of the bench get an opportunity to get some game experience? when we're 20 or 30 points behind? you don't wanna schedule a more competitive team that you can beat, but can only beat them by less than 10 points. because the end of your bench won't "ever" see any playing time. we're not gonna typically blow any meac teams out by 20 or more points. so when does the end of your bench play? how do you build confidence if you don't win any non-conference games?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 14, 2009 17:19:03 GMT -5
That's a pretty compelling argument.
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Post by truthseeker on Oct 14, 2009 18:01:46 GMT -5
I'm not necessarily picking on this game or that game. I'm pointing out the fact that Eaves systematically does several things that winners don't do. Look at HU, Del. St., Morgan, and coppin's schedules! All of these schools have done some big winning within the last 10 years and all have something in common! None of them have more than 1 cupcake out of conference!!! We all know the slacker in our offices/businesses. You look at him and realize that as long as he has those bad habits and poor work ethic that he'll NEVER make it to management. Look at it like that. We're the slacker! We consistently do things that the winners don't do. But yet and still, there are people that will continue to support/tolerate this. It's crazy. i thought you knew college athletics... but i see you don't... hampton plays a balanced schedule because they don't have to make the school money... we could play a balanced schedule too if eaves didn't have to make the school money... del st. has the biggest budget in the meac... they could play a balanced schedule... but they don't because jackson gets a % of the guaranteed money added towards his salary... coppin doesn't have fball to help with generating revenue... so bball is the revenue sport... but like jackson... fang gets a % of the guaranteed gms added to his salary also... thats why coppin has a law suit against him... & besides... coppin & del st. teamed up to play the d-2 schools last yr... when lincoln pa. beat del st... the leason jackson learned... you don't play a d-2 school who has better players than you... the very same players you recruited but could not get them through your admissions office... why do i bother with you aahhbigboy... why...
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Post by truthseeker on Oct 14, 2009 18:27:42 GMT -5
The bottom line is that we're not doing what winners in our own conference do........Period. Stop making excuses for a losing strategy. Excellent point. Money this Money that. You knew what the deal was when you came to A&T as head coach. Money has and will always be the issue with athletics, but clearly we have seen people do alot more with a lot less.... Planning is everything. Ive yet to see a strategy. What are the short and long term goals for the players, the staff, hell the whole program? You've been a head coach here for almost a decade, what is your overall analysis of the program and how do we get to the next level....? eaves players graduate... bball ain't on 2yrs probation... kids are getting opportunities to play abroad... eaves system works... we play solid ball... remember what calipari said... bball coaches win gms... administrations win championships... when our administration quit looking at our bball program as a fundraiser for athletics... & begin to truly support it... then you'll see a program ready to take on the world...!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 14, 2009 18:54:36 GMT -5
Coppin has a lawsuit against Fangs?
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