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Post by aahhbigboy on May 22, 2009 11:01:01 GMT -5
it didn't help fang this year and he had the meac's most valuable player on his squad. fang had less conference wins and less overall wins than eaves! it didn't help jackson this year. jackson had far less conference wins and far less overall wins than eaves! both fang and jackson are "argubly" better coaches than eaves. yet, eaves out performed both! if your theory is so true, then why did eaves have a better conference record than jackson, fang, and nickelberry? back in the day, john thompson was notorious for scheduling the weakest ooc schedule just about anywhere! yet, his teams were always a top 20 team and performed well in the ncaa's. its not that eaves doesn't play stiff competition at all. he played unlv, cal, and georgia amongst others. but he just balances his probable losses with probable wins. i don't have a problem with that. the only problem i have is that his probable wins are against teams no one has ever heard of. i'd rather see him play mars hill, barton, or greensboro college than the marines and tennessee wesleyan... Yes, last year, Eaves surprised a lot of people and his team had more wins that most of the traditional winners. I won't count his first two years because you guys think that he should get a pass and I understand that. But for the last 4 years man, it isn't even close!!! And you're hilarious. The best example that you can give me is Georgetown 20+ years ago? Hence the name...oldeschool. lol The game is much different now. The players are much better. The best always want to play the best. Your comments just further proved what I always charge you with. You support mediocrity. You're "ok" with getting guaranteed wins, when history shows that our conference winners have ALWAYS played tough competition up until conference play. Look at every MEAC tourney/regular season champion for the last 10-15 years' schedule and you will see what I mean. I don't think that it is coincidence that Eaves' philosophy is the exact opposite......... AND SO ARE HIS RESULTS!!!!Think about it. Even the people that are just reading........just think about it.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 22, 2009 12:19:47 GMT -5
bigboy, the point is this. eaves would have been stupid to schedule only stiff competition when he had an extremely "young" team. i mean, why would anyone put that kind of pressure on a team that loss 7 graduating seniors and "all" of its leadership? it took over half the season for the team to find an identity and you want a team full of freshmen and sophomores to find its way against stiff competition? oh, hail naw!! what are you trying to do? traumatize the team?
when you have that much youth, and a team with no identity or leader, dayum right you schedule the local ymca team! and if any team was playing great basketball at the end of the season, it was jerry's kids!! granted, he didn't win his only game in the tourney but make no mistake about it, no meac team had a better record than us for the month of february!! need i remind you we went 8-0 in the month of february? isn't that pretty much the last full month of the regular season?
so again your argument doesn't hold water (as usual)...
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Post by Aggie9195 on May 22, 2009 12:27:56 GMT -5
Oleschool got you on that one Ahhbigboy! Shot a big ole hole in your theory! LOL
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 22, 2009 12:37:00 GMT -5
bigboy, the point is this. eaves would have been stupid to schedule only stiff competition when he had an extremely "young" team. i mean, why would anyone put that kind of pressure on a team that loss 7 graduating seniors and "all" of its leadership? it took over half the season for the team to find an identity and you want a team full of freshmen and sophomores to find its way against stiff competition? oh, hail naw!! what are you trying to do? traumatize the team? when you have that much youth, and a team with no identity or leader, dayum right you schedule the local ymca team! and if any team was playing great basketball at the end of the season, it was jerry's kids!! granted, he didn't win his only game in the tourney but make no mistake about it, no meac team had a better record than us for the month of february!! need i remind you we went 8-0 in the month of february? isn't that pretty much the last full month of the regular season? so again your argument doesn't hold water (as usual)... But look at the results at the end of the regular season. lol Same 'ol thing. Yeah and out of all the years he's been here, you can point to 1 great February, there's not doubt. But what does a good February get you? That's right, NOTHING. Do you realize that we went undefeated for a whole month and still wasn't even close to contending for the regular season title? ? The teams that played stiff competition didn't have that problem. Do you realize that we went undefeated for the last month of the season AND STILL only had like a 4-5 seed in the tourney and made an early exit? Do you realize that? So, how can you (and the consigner of the year Aggie9195) say that my argument doesn't hold water? His last 4 seasons have been his best.......AND THEY'VE ALL ENDED THE SAME.......no contention for a regular season or tournament title. I'm not talking about winning it, we don't even contend! Just remember these 3 words....... Not Even Close!!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 22, 2009 12:56:47 GMT -5
bigboy, the point is this. eaves would have been stupid to schedule only stiff competition when he had an extremely "young" team. i mean, why would anyone put that kind of pressure on a team that loss 7 graduating seniors and "all" of its leadership? it took over half the season for the team to find an identity and you want a team full of freshmen and sophomores to find its way against stiff competition? oh, hail naw!! what are you trying to do? traumatize the team? when you have that much youth, and a team with no identity or leader, dayum right you schedule the local ymca team! and if any team was playing great basketball at the end of the season, it was jerry's kids!! granted, he didn't win his only game in the tourney but make no mistake about it, no meac team had a better record than us for the month of february!! need i remind you we went 8-0 in the month of february? isn't that pretty much the last full month of the regular season? so again your argument doesn't hold water (as usual)... But look at the results at the end of the regular season. lol Same 'ol thing. Yeah and out of all the years he's been here, you can point to 1 great February, there's not doubt. But what does a good February get you? That's right, NOTHING. Do you realize that we went undefeated for a whole month and still wasn't even close to contending for the regular season title? ? The teams that played stiff competition didn't have that problem. Do you realize that we went undefeated for the last month of the season AND STILL only had like a 4-5 seed in the tourney and made an early exit? Do you realize that? So, how can you (and the consigner of the year Aggie9195) say that my argument doesn't hold water? His last 4 seasons have been his best.......AND THEY'VE ALL ENDED THE SAME.......no contention for a regular season or tournament title. I'm not talking about winning it, we don't even contend! Just remember these 3 words....... Not Even Close!!! well, you keep moving the bar (as usual when you're wrong). your premise was that playing tough competition enables a team to play well at the end of the season. well, february is at the end of the season!! then as soon as i point out to you that eaves was 8-0 in february, you change the rules! sounds familiar, huh? remember? first you say finishing 3rd is the bar, then when eaves does it, you raise the bar! now you say playing well at the end of the season is the bar, then when eaves goes 8-0, you move the bar! if you wanted say scheduling tough competition helps tournament play, that doesn't pan out either. norfolk and morgan played in the championship. jackson loss in the "preliminary" round, fang won one game, and nick won one game. if winning one game in the tourney is what you call playing well at the end of the season, then what sense does it make to get your brains beat out during the regular season only to win one game in the tourney? geeeze! what other excuses do you have?
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 22, 2009 13:23:37 GMT -5
Wow, you're better than Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. You keep twisting what I say into something else.
I've acknowledged that last year was the 1 exception when the team finished strong. But even still they had the same result.
You're basing all of your argument on 1 year. In all of my posts, I've referenced the last 5 years or the last 10-15 years to show that there is historical value in what I'm saying.
Even in your 1 year argument, the team with the weakest November and December was one and done in the Tourney. Jackson and Fang were down last year, but they are historical legends in our conference. As a matter of fact, last year was the ONLY year Jackson was down.
I understand that it is smart for you to argue on Eaves best season and act like the other years don't exist, but that's silly.
The bottom line is that just by you saying that you are "OK" with scheduling cupcake wins just shows your support for mediocrity. Do you think that Duke will schedule a soft season because they know they aren't gonna be talented? Fang didn't do that in his worst years.
There's really no argument for what I'm saying. lol
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Post by Aggie9195 on May 22, 2009 14:15:19 GMT -5
LOL..Oleschool you shot another hole into his argument!
We all know that it takes only one CONTER-EXAMPLE to prove any statement FALSE! so he gives it to you and then you say last year was the exception! And then you change the arguemnt! LOL
TOO FUNNY!
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on May 22, 2009 14:42:45 GMT -5
ahhbigboy,
Oldschool said that we should play teams that are visible to the area. What do you want Eaves to do start the season 0-13. Granted we should be able to schedule Greensboro College, Hampton Sydney, maybe even a CIAA Team. Eaves went out and had two wins aganist other Div. I school's Pan America & Costal. They also played a good number of tough oppents on the road before MEAC play started.
A confidence builder is important to start a season. Although games aganist a weak CIAA team or local school would be more interesting. You make it sound like we played 12 homes games before the conference season against the Merchant Marines.
When I lived in Michigan I went to a couple of pre-confernce Michigan games (Del State & a SWAC school). The fans there would rather see Big Blue play University of Detroit or Toledo, etc.
So you cant isolate this to Eaves. The guy won two out of conference games and they were very respectable vs. most of the other big Div. I's.
Talk about picking pepper out of fly shigade
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 22, 2009 14:46:02 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 22, 2009 15:20:38 GMT -5
Wow, you're better than Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity. You keep twisting what I say into something else. I've acknowledged that last year was the 1 exception when the team finished strong. But even still they had the same result. You're basing all of your argument on 1 year. In all of my posts, I've referenced the last 5 years or the last 10-15 years to show that there is historical value in what I'm saying. Even in your 1 year argument, the team with the weakest November and December was one and done in the Tourney. Jackson and Fang were down last year, but they are historical legends in our conference. As a matter of fact, last year was the ONLY year Jackson was down. I understand that it is smart for you to argue on Eaves best season and act like the other years don't exist, but that's silly. The bottom line is that just by you saying that you are "OK" with scheduling cupcake wins just shows your support for mediocrity. Do you think that Duke will schedule a soft season because they know they aren't gonna be talented? Fang didn't do that in his worst years. There's really no argument for what I'm saying. lol bigboy, you have yet to answer my question which shows how weak your argument is. so let's try this again, shall we? if your theory is so true (playing tough competition), then why did eaves have a better conference record than jackson, fang, and nickelberry?all three were picked to finish ahead of eaves. guess that so called "tough schedule" didn't work...
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 22, 2009 16:43:27 GMT -5
bigboy, you have yet to answer my question which shows how weak your argument is. so let's try this again, shall we? if your theory is so true (playing tough competition), then why did eaves have a better conference record than jackson, fang, and nickelberry?all three were picked to finish ahead of eaves. guess that so called "tough schedule" didn't work... Jackson's team just wasn't that good this this year. I think he deserves a pass because he has dominated the MEAC in recent years. He just had a down year. To be honest, I don't know what happened with Nickelberry. I thought he would've done better than what he did (for his entire tenure). I guess "anybody" can't win at Hampton. With that being said.... they beat us in March (end of the year), finished one win behind us and with the same overall record with no cupcakes!!! But Fang is another story. Fang finished with the same record as us in conference........and beat Eaves head to head both times buddy. And the second time was in the tourney! And lord jesus, look who he played out of conference......Wilmington, Purdue, Richmond, Mich. State, Loyola, Dayton, Wisc., Syracuse, Colorado, Pepperdine, George Washington, Oklahoma and freaking Missouri!!! What do you and Aggie9195 have to say about that? Here's a hint.......it should be NOTHING. So I don't know what you think you got there but it isn't impressive. Keep in mind that you are comparing Eaves' 1-year/1-month phenomenon against what I'm saying. You won't dare touch by "tough schedule" theory over the course of last 10 years. And to be honest, I wouldn't if I were you either. Nobody likes to look silly.
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Post by truthseeker on May 22, 2009 17:38:28 GMT -5
In next year's BDV.com awards we are gonna include a new category: "Best Poster Rivalry". I think ahhbigboy and oldschoolaggie are the early frontrunners. LOL. thrilla, aahhbigboy has to have a good argument everyday or else he'll be miserable. so i'm happy to oblige, he's an easy foe... ;D thats your idea of a foe ... a bonafide patsy if there ever was one... lol ahhbigboy...
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Post by truthseeker on May 22, 2009 17:47:13 GMT -5
For the record, last year's recruiting class wasn't impressive at all. To be honest, other than Hill, I can't even really remember any significant contributers. So that whole McNamara thing isn't really impressive on the guy's side. And as for the schedule, it's like a credit report. There's no way to tell what someone will do tomorrow than by looking at what they did yesterday. The schedule will be easy. There will be a couple of guaranteed home wins against schools we've never heard of and about 7-8 fairly tough games (for us) against larger schools on the road. Then we'll go into conference play where every game will be competitive. It's been like that for the last 4-5 years. It's Eaves' M.O. maybe this why eaves won nabc coach of the yr... & he was selected by the EXPERTS...!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Aggie9195 on May 22, 2009 21:37:33 GMT -5
Has Eaves been here at A&T for 10 years? Maybe Im missing what you are saying. Help me out here.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 23, 2009 6:21:38 GMT -5
Has Eaves been here at A&T for 10 years? Maybe Im missing what you are saying. Help me out here. Yeah, you and oldeschool both are missing what I'm saying. I'm saying that in sports, the best always want to play the best. But for an HBCU, we need to play the biggest and best to get better and for the obvious financial reasons. I'm saying that we're the only school that brings super duper cupcakes in for easy wins and it is a missed opportunity to get better. I'm not sure if we pay those teams to come, but that would make it even worse. I'm saying that if you look at the top 3-4 teams in our league for the last 10-15 years, you'll see that every year, they played the toughest competition and finished at the top in the end (for the most part). Especially the traditionals like Hampton, Del, Coppin, and now Morgan. What we're doing is the opposite of that (Tex Pan Am, Houston Baptist etc) and we're not even in contention. I do recognize that there are other things that contribute to winning programs, but this is a part of why we're not winning. Our mentality is different. We have people in our fan base that openly support scheduling and beating cupcakes. Oldeschool is trying to disprove my point of people finishing up the year the right way by singling out Eaves' best year which happened to be last year. What's ironic is that even though we went 8-0 in February and that flies in the face of what I'm saying, we fell off a cliff in March losing to Hampton, Norfolk...........and Fang's team who had seen tough competition all year and finally put us out of our misery. So, basically, I'm just looking at ways that we can improve like the teams that "traditionally" dominate our conference. I'm not sure why you and oldeschool don't get that.
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