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Post by aggielove on Feb 1, 2006 11:29:41 GMT -5
40 speed is just a measuring stick for prospects and should only be viewed as such. Jerry Rice, probably the greatest receiver to play the game, had a less than spectacular 40 time and I don't think it hurt him. The kid is 6'3 - if he adds like 10 or 15 lbs and has really good hands, he could be a monster of a possession receiver, i.e. Keyshawn Johnson, Joe Jurevicious, Cris Carter and others.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 1, 2006 12:43:09 GMT -5
Jerry Rice be damned. 4.85 is butt slow. I typed this whole response faster than 4.85 seconds.
I'm of the belief that if you can play, you can play, but 4.85 is the amount of time three defenders can beat your o-line and punish your qb while slow-poke the high jumper is just getting out of his break on a 20 yard square-in pattern.
I smell a redshirt. If he works on them calves he should be able to shore that time into the 4.6 range, which is at least serviceable on the I-AA level.
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Post by DECKS on Feb 1, 2006 12:58:22 GMT -5
I'm not saying he won't be a huge success. Let's just not blow these guys up to be bigger than what they are. The 40 time isn't and end all but it is a very relevant tool in assesing talent. With his skills I suspect that may be the reason he isn't signing with a I-A program.
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Post by Aggie One on Feb 1, 2006 13:11:33 GMT -5
I saw Bryd quite a bit during the season and the reason we went after him is hands and size. He's a big physical kid who goes after the ball with great hands and doesn't drop passes. We've had a lot of 4.5 guys that run like the wind but dropped wide open TDs over and over again...remember the Elon game last year and the Howard Game the year before that. Guys beating the man and dropping sure touchdowns or long gainers.
I'll rather have strong physical receivers who can run precise routes with great hands over plain speed demons especially with what most likely will be a young quarterback under center.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 1, 2006 13:27:11 GMT -5
I'd rather have a combination. Heck, a 5'6" kid that runs a 4.4 and catches half the passes you throw his way is probably better than a 6'6" kid that runs a 4.8 and catches all of them. 4.85 is just plain slow. I ain't saying he'll never gain speed, but that's practically useless as a wideout on the division I or even division II level. I'm glad he catches and I'm sure he blocks well too, but you just won't get open at that speed. My old fat a$$ is leaving that kid in the dust.
One thing I remember from watching game after horrific game last year was thinking "we're slow." Speed kills.
I smell a redshirt. Or somebody dropped the stopwatch while he was running his time.
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Post by AggieGroove on Feb 1, 2006 13:39:50 GMT -5
My old fat a$$ is leaving that kid in the dust. I've got the watch so prove it...... ;D
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 1, 2006 13:42:59 GMT -5
4.85. Please. I'm running circles around that cat.
Don't be waiting two years until I gain another 20 pounds and he cuts two hundredths off that time neither.
I remember when I worked at UPS and this cat swore he ran a legit 4.4. I raced him and embarassed the snot out of him in hightops. They timed me at under 4.5. Pulled my groin in the process but I proved my point. My boys hurt just thinking about that pain I was in. I'd like to take this time to thank the UPS worker's comp people for believing that I actually pulled my groin loading boxes.
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Post by Aggie One on Feb 1, 2006 14:03:38 GMT -5
Spoken like the true lawyer he is. Well we still have Mijuan Curtis (5-7,165) who fits that 4.4 bill who we redshirted last year. We have smallish receivers all over the place was my point. We needed size at that spot in the redzone. Slow 40 time or not this kid can play and ain't afraid of getting hit going after the ball.
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Post by SHB2K on Feb 1, 2006 14:19:55 GMT -5
Irrelevant UPS rambling aside, dooms you got me ROLLING over here! You are right about 4.85. My girlfriend (granted she's a former track runner at MD) could beat him running backwards with high heels and a skirt on.
Now, since I am not the type to list problems with no possible solutions, I say give him a steady diet of plyometrics and work him out with the track team until he gets moving. I'm all for keyshawns and such, but a guy waddling accross the middle that slow seems like an interception waiting to happen. The MEAC has had some damn good cb's and safeties lately, and I'm sure they'd love to see him coming. That's good speed for an O-lineman maybe.
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Post by da heretic on Feb 1, 2006 14:20:27 GMT -5
If he can work his way open, even w/a 4.85 forty, AND catch, he got my vote.
Is there word of any other signings?
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 1, 2006 14:51:23 GMT -5
Let's face it. We ain't throwing in the red zone.
I remember being struck at not only how slooooow we were last year, but how long it took for basic pass plays to develop. It would take two or three seconds longer for our guys to get to the spot they were supposed to be than any other team we played running the same play. You can't win games like that. You have to execute and do it with some semblance of speed.
But I digress. Again, if he redshirts and they work on them feets and calves he could set some records. As for seeing the field this year, if he does we're in trouble.
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Post by aggielove on Feb 1, 2006 15:00:44 GMT -5
dooms, I'm all for the speed. being a former track guy (shoulda ran at A&T but tore a hammy late in my senior yr in HS), I can relate to the need for speed. He ran this 40 at some combine. Is the 4.8 an average of the number of times he ran it, or did he only run it once? If he only ran once, it's easy to stumble out of the blocks, get a slow start, and have a subpar 40.
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Post by aggielove on Feb 1, 2006 15:13:17 GMT -5
I checked out some of those other 40 times from that combine - and they all seemed slow. I looked at a few of those guys that ran and they ran significantly faster times just a few weeks later. Byrd only ran at this one combine from the report linked to him before. I'm not sure what to believe.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 1, 2006 15:17:29 GMT -5
If he stumbled I would think they'd let him run over. That 4.85 cost him scholarship offers. That's big. I'm willing to bet we were about his only offer despite his productivity. That should make him a steal for us in the long run.
In comparison, the lineman we signed runs a 4.9.
Stop laughing.
Well, if he's jumping like a kangaroo and one of these qb's pan out it's just like A-1 said, the kid will catch touchdowns.
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Post by da heretic on Feb 1, 2006 15:40:28 GMT -5
We weren't his only offer, Doomsday. I read, by googlin his name, that ECU offered in Sept. after he ran that sundial timed 40. Wake, UNC-CH and NC State scouted him. And he was productive (42 rec, 750+yds and 12 td). Like you said, he may pan out to be a steal for us.
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"Well, if he's jumping like a kangaroo and one of these qb's pan out it's just like A-1 said, the kid will catch touchdowns."
Aint that what Buddy Ryan said about Chris Carter?..."all he does is catch touchdowns."
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