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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 30, 2008 18:09:07 GMT -5
Please you want Bobby Collins ? If I remember correctly Collins resigned under pressure. He wrote the coattails of the former Coach, had a new arena, and very well respected program as a mid major and he still could not suceed. Hampton played Momounth in the play-in game and got blowed out by close to 30. It was obvious that Hampton had better athletes and players. He may be a decent recruiter but he cant Coach he was outclassed in the paly-in game. Bobby Collins that just harlioussss!!! ON a second note Eaves will do better than expected this year. Think about it Rush & Ewing were great three point shooters / free throw shooters and great Aggies thats about it. Neither could take the ball to whole and finish, post up , or guard a 6-2 shooting guard. Dont you think after Colemans performance last year more than one mid-major said we should looked at him closer. Collins that funny. The 2008-2009 team looks better on paper than last years team ever did!! We feel differently about this, but even with that being said, Collins accomplishments in this conference can't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Eaves. Period. That was my whole point. I mean look at my bar for Eaves. After 5 years, all I want is a top 3 finish and/or more than 1 win in the conference tourney and I can't get that. You're clowning Collins because he got beat to death.......IN THE BIG DANCE. lol Nuff said.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 30, 2008 18:54:40 GMT -5
thrilla, i can tell you for a fact, facilities mean a lot to recruits. its not everything, but it means a lot. my daughter was recruited by some d1 schools all over the east coast for basketball and i took her to all of her official and unofficial visits. my daughter almost committed to going to a school she didn't even like (rhode island and east carolina), they had tremendous facilities that almost swayed her to go. have you ever seen east carolina's facilities? their weight room is one of the finest in the country, its no accident that holtz is able to recruit guys to greenville. I've got to agree with Thrilla i agree, kids want to play in front of a lot of fans, that's why i said if it wasn't for our fan base, eaves would be up the creek. but at the end of the day, guys think about the facilities they have to practice and lift weights in, day in day out, when the fans aren't there. our football facilities is a big plus for recruiting. look at the basketball recruits hampton gets, yet you can hear your echo in their building during games. but the guys love the facility, that's a major reason they go there... You act like Corbett's roof is leaking or something. It IS the atmosphere. Duke hasn't always had that practice facility. The recently got that, when they sucked. If you are satisfied with Eaves' performance, then why did we fire Hunter? He was more successful than Eaves, even with a 1 win season. These are facts. You can talk to any number of high school coaches in the area and most will tell you they hardly have a relationship with the guy. It's obvious, he doesn't recruit well in the area. He has no control over his emotions. I've watched him give 2 games away by getting Techs at the end of games, plus he's always yelling at the players. He plays over 9-10 players a game and teams that win don't do that. His system takes the post players away from the basket and has them handling the ball excessively....which leads to several turnovers. I can go on and on about specific ways that this guy kills us. What are the specifics that he does that you like? I'm just interested in knowing.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 31, 2008 11:08:44 GMT -5
thrilla, i can tell you for a fact, facilities mean a lot to recruits. its not everything, but it means a lot. my daughter was recruited by some d1 schools all over the east coast for basketball and i took her to all of her official and unofficial visits. my daughter almost committed to going to a school she didn't even like (rhode island and east carolina), they had tremendous facilities that almost swayed her to go. have you ever seen east carolina's facilities? their weight room is one of the finest in the country, its no accident that holtz is able to recruit guys to greenville. I've got to agree with Thrilla i agree, kids want to play in front of a lot of fans, that's why i said if it wasn't for our fan base, eaves would be up the creek. but at the end of the day, guys think about the facilities they have to practice and lift weights in, day in day out, when the fans aren't there. our football facilities is a big plus for recruiting. look at the basketball recruits hampton gets, yet you can hear your echo in their building during games. but the guys love the facility, that's a major reason they go there... You act like Corbett's roof is leaking or something. It IS the atmosphere. Duke hasn't always had that practice facility. The recently got that, when they sucked. If you are satisfied with Eaves' performance, then why did we fire Hunter? He was more successful than Eaves, even with a 1 win season. These are facts. You can talk to any number of high school coaches in the area and most will tell you they hardly have a relationship with the guy. It's obvious, he doesn't recruit well in the area. He has no control over his emotions. I've watched him give 2 games away by getting Techs at the end of games, plus he's always yelling at the players. He plays over 9-10 players a game and teams that win don't do that. His system takes the post players away from the basket and has them handling the ball excessively....which leads to several turnovers. I can go on and on about specific ways that this guy kills us. What are the specifics that he does that you like? I'm just interested in knowing. duke has always had a separate practice facility, they just built a new one that's all. and regarding your leaking roof comment, it obvious to me that you haven't visited most of the other meac arenas. corbett is easily one of the most outdated arenas in the meac! man, we're talkin' the freakin' meac! the poorest conference in division 1! not the acc, big east, southern, or even the caa! we're talkin' the meac! i know of several high school arenas here in the dc area (and especially indiana) that is as big and more modern than corbett! all i can tell you is follow the aggies the next time we play at nsu, hampton, morgan, famu, coppin, dsu, and umes! check out their arenas or the arenas they will be moving into and you'll understand my comments about corbett better. i've been to all of the meac arenas and i'm tellin' ya corbett is one of the worse, period! now, regarding eaves, hunter won "1" single game his last year! hunter didn't have to rebuild a program following a 1 win season like eaves did! i don't need to say anything else about hunter's coaching ability. as far as i'm concerned, he and fobbs were met for each other! eaves had to come in and clean up hunter's mess! how easy do you think it is to recruit when you're following a "1" win season with a small budget and a run down basketball facility? i never said eaves was a great coach, i said he's done an adequate job considering the tools he has to work with. i agree he doesn't recruit well in north carolina and i've criticized him for that. but we've finished in the top 5 of the meac for the last two years which puts us in the upper tier of the conference. would i like to do better? of course! but that doesn't mean eaves has done a poor job. what i like about eaves is that he got down and dirty, and rebuilt our program from the ground up with a minimal amount of tools to work with. and there's nothing wrong with playing 9-10 players, roy williams does it all the time. most coaches play 8 to 9 players per game, so what's so unusual with playing 9 to 10? yes, there are things that eaves could improve but he's still one of the top 4 or 5 coaches in the meac. and when i last checked, no one else in the meac has defeated a "major" d1 school (except fang), and eaves has done it twice!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 31, 2008 11:30:36 GMT -5
I still don't think Corbett is a disadvantage for us, recruiting-wise. Every negative it has is balanced out by one tremendous positive (ie the unparralled fan support and atmosphere).
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 31, 2008 12:38:58 GMT -5
You act like Corbett's roof is leaking or something. It IS the atmosphere. Duke hasn't always had that practice facility. The recently got that, when they sucked. If you are satisfied with Eaves' performance, then why did we fire Hunter? He was more successful than Eaves, even with a 1 win season. These are facts. You can talk to any number of high school coaches in the area and most will tell you they hardly have a relationship with the guy. It's obvious, he doesn't recruit well in the area. He has no control over his emotions. I've watched him give 2 games away by getting Techs at the end of games, plus he's always yelling at the players. He plays over 9-10 players a game and teams that win don't do that. His system takes the post players away from the basket and has them handling the ball excessively....which leads to several turnovers. I can go on and on about specific ways that this guy kills us. What are the specifics that he does that you like? I'm just interested in knowing. duke has always had a separate practice facility, they just built a new one that's all. and regarding your leaking roof comment, it obvious to me that you haven't visited most of the other meac arenas. corbett is easily one of the most outdated arenas in the meac! man, we're talkin' the freakin' meac! the poorest conference in division 1! not the acc, big east, southern, or even the caa! we're talkin' the meac! i know of several high school arenas here in the dc area (and especially indiana) that is as big and more modern than corbett! all i can tell you is follow the aggies the next time we play at nsu, hampton, morgan, famu, coppin, dsu, and umes! check out their arenas or the arenas they will be moving into and you'll understand my comments about corbett better. i've been to all of the meac arenas and i'm tellin' ya corbett is one of the worse, period! now, regarding eaves, hunter won "1" single game his last year! hunter didn't have to rebuild a program following a 1 win season like eaves did! i don't need to say anything else about hunter's coaching ability. as far as i'm concerned, he and fobbs were met for each other! eaves had to come in and clean up hunter's mess! how easy do you think it is to recruit when you're following a "1" win season with a small budget and a run down basketball facility? i never said eaves was a great coach, i said he's done an adequate job considering the tools he has to work with. i agree he doesn't recruit well in north carolina and i've criticized him for that. but we've finished in the top 5 of the meac for the last two years which puts us in the upper tier of the conference. would i like to do better? of course! but that doesn't mean eaves has done a poor job. what i like about eaves is that he got down and dirty, and rebuilt our program from the ground up with a minimal amount of tools to work with. and there's nothing wrong with playing 9-10 players, roy williams does it all the time. most coaches play 8 to 9 players per game, so what's so unusual with playing 9 to 10? yes, there are things that eaves could improve but he's still one of the top 4 or 5 coaches in the meac. and when i last checked, no one else in the meac has defeated a "major" d1 school (except fang), and eaves has done it twice! I disagree with you theoretically, but I do see where you're coming from at least. I don't think your support is out of blind admiration for Eaves (like Jazz). Depaul is a big win for us, but SMU is hardly a "major". You make very good points for your argument though. I've been in most of the new facilities as well and they are nice, but if you ask any of the opposing players where they like playing most, you better believe it's Corbett. Especially since we got that sound system buddy. I'm an advocate for getting the band outta there as a matter of fact. I don't think we'll ever agree on the coach though. Yes, he brought us from the 1-win debacle, but he could be doing sooooooo much better. It's just hard for me to sit around and be satisfied. A top-5 finish in the MEAC is no accomplishment. Most of conference is garbage from year to year.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 31, 2008 14:05:22 GMT -5
one last thing aahhbigboy, eaves has a very young team this year and they'll probably struggle somewhat. but if this year's recruiting class is as good as advertised, next year will probably be a breakout year for us!
i mean, think about it. eaves gets big time credit for bringing in arguably the best young post player in the meac in thomas coleman. before he graduates, he'll probably be the best post player in the league! if you're gonna build a team, a young dominant post player is exactly where you want to start. they're "extremely" hard to come by.
plus, this year's recruiting class is loaded with guards and small forwards, several of which are highly acclaimed by rivals.com (hill and simpson). and i think eaves may have a couple of sleepers in this class with moorman and williams. next year, coleman will be a mature junior and those freshmen guards will have a year's experience under their belts. all we'll need is for someone to step in and fill the power forward spot and we'll have very good talent across the board! and all of them will still have at least one more year of eligibility remaining! so the near future looks very promising, but we've got to be patient with eaves this year because we're so very young.
i don't know why eaves has not been successful recruiting in state players. to me, that's his number 1 flaw. he has a small budget, why wouldn't he place more emphasis on in state recruiting? i agree with you wholeheartedly on that issue. collins at wssu definitely has out performed eaves when it comes to local recruiting. eaves needs to do a much better job recruiting in state, no doubt about it.
but i think he has us well positioned for the future, only time will tell. that's why i'm anxious to see what the freshmen and transfers look like. if they're the real deal, add coleman to the mix, and next year we could be very dangerous...
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Post by truthseeker on Oct 31, 2008 18:29:25 GMT -5
BTW yall, the coaches of UNCG, High Point and Elon refused to play us in the Dawg Pound. Those coaches even refuse to even discuss having a game with A&T. Why? We play their women's teams. elon is the only team around here the ladies play home & home... we haven't played high point in awhile & we only played g in their thanksgiving tourny... as far as the mens go... teams around here will play us... but they want us to move our home game to the coliseum... for some reason they don't want to come to corbett... lundy brought high point to corbett... they left with a "L"... & they haven't been back...
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 1, 2008 8:10:23 GMT -5
one last thing aahhbigboy, eaves has a very young team this year and they'll probably struggle somewhat. but if this year's recruiting class is as good as advertised, next year will probably be a breakout year for us! i mean, think about it. eaves gets big time credit for bringing in arguably the best young post player in the meac in thomas coleman. before he graduates, he'll probably be the best post player in the league! if you're gonna build a team, a young dominant post player is exactly where you want to start. they're "extremely" hard to come by. plus, this year's recruiting class is loaded with guards and small forwards, several of which are highly acclaimed by rivals.com (hill and simpson). and i think eaves may have a couple of sleepers in this class with moorman and williams. next year, coleman will be a mature junior and those freshmen guards will have a year's experience under their belts. all we'll need is for someone to step in and fill the power forward spot and we'll have very good talent across the board! and all of them will still have at least one more year of eligibility remaining! so the near future looks very promising, but we've got to be patient with eaves this year because we're so very young. i don't know why eaves has not been successful recruiting in state players. to me, that's his number 1 flaw. he has a small budget, why wouldn't he place more emphasis on in state recruiting? i agree with you wholeheartedly on that issue. collins at wssu definitely has out performed eaves when it comes to local recruiting. eaves needs to do a much better job recruiting in state, no doubt about it. but i think he has us well positioned for the future, only time will tell. that's why i'm anxious to see what the freshmen and transfers look like. if they're the real deal, add coleman to the mix, and next year we could be very dangerous... Granted it was only pick up, but from what I've seen, we have nothing that qualifies as a sleeper. That's why I'm so skeptical. The small guard can play, but Eaves' system lets us be hurt by having small people on the floor. Coleman is athletic and a force to deal with athletically, but he has a loonnnng way to go offensively. He still can't create his own shot (kinda like a Greg Odom). If it isn't a cupcake, I don't see who we can beat in the foreseeable future. Really, I'm not exaggerating. As far as recruiting locally, it is pretty much known and understood that T's staff is laughable. You go to a showcase and they show up 15 minutes before it ends. I haven't seen anyone since Kee left and that tells me a lot. It scares me that other than Eaves, the coaching staff is more inexperienced than the players!!! When is the last time you've seen that?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 1, 2008 8:18:02 GMT -5
I'm still trying to wrap my mind around the decision to hire Walter frigging Booth as an assistant coach.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 1, 2008 10:19:50 GMT -5
one last thing aahhbigboy, eaves has a very young team this year and they'll probably struggle somewhat. but if this year's recruiting class is as good as advertised, next year will probably be a breakout year for us! i mean, think about it. eaves gets big time credit for bringing in arguably the best young post player in the meac in thomas coleman. before he graduates, he'll probably be the best post player in the league! if you're gonna build a team, a young dominant post player is exactly where you want to start. they're "extremely" hard to come by. plus, this year's recruiting class is loaded with guards and small forwards, several of which are highly acclaimed by rivals.com (hill and simpson). and i think eaves may have a couple of sleepers in this class with moorman and williams. next year, coleman will be a mature junior and those freshmen guards will have a year's experience under their belts. all we'll need is for someone to step in and fill the power forward spot and we'll have very good talent across the board! and all of them will still have at least one more year of eligibility remaining! so the near future looks very promising, but we've got to be patient with eaves this year because we're so very young. i don't know why eaves has not been successful recruiting in state players. to me, that's his number 1 flaw. he has a small budget, why wouldn't he place more emphasis on in state recruiting? i agree with you wholeheartedly on that issue. collins at wssu definitely has out performed eaves when it comes to local recruiting. eaves needs to do a much better job recruiting in state, no doubt about it. but i think he has us well positioned for the future, only time will tell. that's why i'm anxious to see what the freshmen and transfers look like. if they're the real deal, add coleman to the mix, and next year we could be very dangerous... Granted it was only pick up, but from what I've seen, we have nothing that qualifies as a sleeper. That's why I'm so skeptical. The small guard can play, but Eaves' system lets us be hurt by having small people on the floor. Coleman is athletic and a force to deal with athletically, but he has a loonnnng way to go offensively. He still can't create his own shot (kinda like a Greg Odom). If it isn't a cupcake, I don't see who we can beat in the foreseeable future. Really, I'm not exaggerating. As far as recruiting locally, it is pretty much known and understood that T's staff is laughable. You go to a showcase and they show up 15 minutes before it ends. I haven't seen anyone since Kee left and that tells me a lot. It scares me that other than Eaves, the coaching staff is more inexperienced than the players!!! When is the last time you've seen that? i agree about our assistants. the best staffs don't solely have a bunch of graduate assistants on the staff. roy williams' staff is surrounded by former or potential head coaches. i mean, how much coaching experience can a graduate assistant have? and as far as coleman creating his own shot, i don't think that's a necessary skill set for a power forward/center. but he sure as hail does need to have an array of "back-to-the-basket" post moves and a face up game from a "minimum" of 15 feet out. he doesn't need to be able to create his own shot, but he needs a lot of work on his low post and high post fundamentals. his shooting mechanics needs some work too. those are the things i expected him to work on during the offseason, he needs to become more of a scoring threat. if he hasn't improved in those areas, it'll be a poor reflection on eaves. i truly hope what you say about our staff showing up 15 minutes before the end of a showcase isn't true. unless they had transportation issues, like a broken down vehicle or somethin', showing up late is "inexcusable"! if it were up to me, that would be grounds for getting fired!
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Post by aggie82 on Nov 1, 2008 16:12:03 GMT -5
i can say for sure that Coach Eaves and Coach Paylor attended the Prep All Stars event during the July 4th weekend....I talked at length with Coach Eaves and Coach Paylor...I don't think that we won't recruit in NC...I think it's more of the fact that the relationships have not been developed to the fullest...Now maybe kids from Greensboro dont want to come to A&T, but I know that the kids from Charlotte, Raleigh, F'vile and down east would come here in a heartbeat....All you got to do is invite them to Homecoming....But first things first, you have to have an inside connection and right know I dont believe we have enough inside connections...
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Post by aahhbigboy on Nov 1, 2008 21:05:51 GMT -5
i can say for sure that Coach Eaves and Coach Paylor attended the Prep All Stars event during the July 4th weekend....I talked at length with Coach Eaves and Coach Paylor...I don't think that we won't recruit in NC...I think it's more of the fact that the relationships have not been developed to the fullest...Now maybe kids from Greensboro dont want to come to A&T, but I know that the kids from Charlotte, Raleigh, F'vile and down east would come here in a heartbeat....All you got to do is invite them to Homecoming....But first things first, you have to have an inside connection and right know I dont believe we have enough inside connections... My point exactly. And you know why you don't have those connections? Because you're not working. If you went to7-10 aau events and a showcase or 2, mingled with other college coaches, and spoke to high school coaches in the stands, that will get relationships started alone. I can't tell you how many coaches will talk to me just to see if I know of a player or two and I'm just there to watch for crying out loud! Not to mention the calls you make and the high school games you go to. I mean, d@mn, get to work! When you do this, you get the inside track when that player goes to villanova (or whatever) and isn't happy after the first semester. Somehow, their high school coach just happens to mention it the next time you CALL!!!!!!! He's not on the scene. Point blank. Period.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 2, 2008 14:35:13 GMT -5
i can say for sure that Coach Eaves and Coach Paylor attended the Prep All Stars event during the July 4th weekend....I talked at length with Coach Eaves and Coach Paylor...I don't think that we won't recruit in NC...I think it's more of the fact that the relationships have not been developed to the fullest...Now maybe kids from Greensboro dont want to come to A&T, but I know that the kids from Charlotte, Raleigh, F'vile and down east would come here in a heartbeat....All you got to do is invite them to Homecoming....But first things first, you have to have an inside connection and right know I dont believe we have enough inside connections... My point exactly. And you know why you don't have those connections? Because you're not working. If you went to7-10 aau events and a showcase or 2, mingled with other college coaches, and spoke to high school coaches in the stands, that will get relationships started alone. I can't tell you how many coaches will talk to me just to see if I know of a player or two and I'm just there to watch for crying out loud! Not to mention the calls you make and the high school games you go to. I mean, d@mn, get to work! When you do this, you get the inside track when that player goes to villanova (or whatever) and isn't happy after the first semester. Somehow, their high school coach just happens to mention it the next time you CALL!!!!!!! He's not on the scene. Point blank. Period. bigboy, you're dead on dude! i agree with everything you said. its eaves' job to establish those relationships the same way butch davis has at carolina. as i've said before, to me, this is his number 1 flaw. i won't accept "any" excuse for him not having a better network established in state. it costs less to fund in state schollies than out of state schollies...
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Post by aggie2008 on Nov 2, 2008 15:27:30 GMT -5
Jeremy Atkinson from Fike High School of Wilson, NC (my former high school) recieved a letter from A&T last year during his junior year. He also recieved letters from Duke, ECU, Campbell, Barton College (Div 2 National Champs), Fayetteville St, etc. Each of those schools had a representive present at the ECC Christmas tournament except "A&T". He really wanted to play for A&T b/c my high school basketball coach (Coach Drawhorn) took the whole basketball team to see A&T play (he does this almost every year). It was either a Howard game or Norfolk St. I cant exactly remember. Jeremy really like the atmosphere of Corbett but he felt as if A&T wasnt too interested in him..Jeremy is the type of player that could beat a basketball team by himself and could play at least 3 or 4 different positions on the floor and he has great size. Every year he receive numerous awards and he's been on varsity since his freshman year. he's a senior now...A&T should do more to get him to Aggieland...with him on the team, A&T wouldnt lose to any MEAC team...seriously..
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Post by aggiechamp on Nov 2, 2008 17:57:20 GMT -5
"it costs less to fund in state schollies than out of state schollies" This is not true. The costs are exactly the same since Carolina got the legislature to classify out of state students that receive scholarships funded with non-state funds as in state.
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