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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 29, 2008 14:44:33 GMT -5
Eaves mandate when he first got to A&T was do the best he can with the limited funds and play guarantee games and so we can take the money to fund the athletic budget. Men's basketball budget has been almost equal to its revenue. Don't be fooled by that though because if Eaves were to play more guarantee games it would not mean an increase to his budget because his budget is capped by the administration. A&T's #1 profit margin maker can't get top treatment from the adminstration and never has gotten it even when Corbett was the coach. Men's basketball has been used as revenue stream for the athletic department but has never been treated like a rainmaker. The last two years Eaves is over .500 in the conference and that is what counts in my book. If Aaghhbigboy wants more, then he can buy Eaves out and hire someone else that he thinks can gurantee a MEAC championship. I never have to put much into discrediting your defense of Eaves, so here it goes.... Based on what you say about budgets and all that garbage.....then that should mean our girls team should be terrible and NOT picked to win the conference and should NOT be recognized nationally. That's based on what you just posted. You know why that's not the case? They have a staff that knows what the heck recruiting is about. Pure and simple. There are teams all across the nation that are out performing their piss-poor budgets. What they DON'T have......is a fan base willing to put up with poorly performing coaches. But guess who does? For the record, I never said I wanted a championship. Never. I said I wanted higher standards, i.e. more than a top-4 finish, more than 1 win in the tournament, more than not knowing what to expect from year to year. That's all. But hey, let's just hope we're slightly over .500 right? That's like living in the projects and only hoping that you son/daughter reaches 50% of their potential. Bibbs and company are living in the same projects with less money and her kids are going to Harvard. its easy to point out the success of coach bibbs and say eaves should be just as successful. but bibbs could win no matter where she's coaching, so you ignore the negatives of coaching at a&t. eaves has several negatives going against him that makes it more difficult for him to succeed. i'll get to those later. but in terms of winning percentage, how many men or women coaches in the entire meac has been just as successful as bibbs? the answer is none! not even fang mitchell at coppin state. even bozeman hasn't been as successful as bibbs. so comparing bibbs to eaves is an unfair comparison. how bout comparing eaves to bibbs' recent predecessors and his own recent predecessors? now, that's a much better comparison and i'd bet he'd stack up pretty well against them! no one is saying eaves is the best coach in the meac, but he's in the upper tier. there's only 3 meac coaches that i would take ahead of eaves. fang, bozeman, and jackson. that's it. evans at norfolk state hasn't proven anything except that he's capable of having one good season. the jury is still out on evans. now, as far as the a&t negatives go, i'd start with the budget and go from there. not only does it impact his ability to travel and recruit, but it also impacts the assistants he can hire. i don't know his assistants personally, but they all appear to be on the level of glorified graduate assistants. secondly, i'm sure i've stated this several times on this site, but corbett center is one of the most outdated arenas in the meac! it needs renovations to keep pace with the rest of the conference, much less pwc mid-majors. even unc-g has a more modern arena than us. folks, if you haven't visited all or most of the other arenas in the meac, please don't tell me corbett doesn't need renovations. so when you throw in budget, facilities, and general support from the admin, eaves has done an adequate job (i didn't say a great job). and let's not forget his teams have knocked off two d1 giants (relatively speaking) in depaul and smu... |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 29, 2008 18:16:02 GMT -5
I'll see you guys tomorrow morning. I'm logging off early tonight. You dudes are on crack.
Peace.
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Post by DECKS on Oct 29, 2008 21:50:43 GMT -5
I'll see you guys tomorrow morning. I'm logging off early tonight. You dudes are on crack. Peace. Fell out! |
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 30, 2008 10:32:47 GMT -5
no one is saying eaves is the best coach in the meac, but he's in the upper tier. Lord have mercy. I can't believe you said that. Utterly unbelievable. I just now realized how Fobbs made it as far as he did. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 30, 2008 12:01:34 GMT -5
no one is saying eaves is the best coach in the meac, but he's in the upper tier. Lord have mercy. I can't believe you said that. Utterly unbelievable. I just now realized how Fobbs made it as far as he did. are you suggesting eaves is the worse coach in the meac? if so, please explain why? don't just throw out criticism, explain who da hail is better and why. no need to discuss fang, bozeman, or jackson. i agree they're better. but who else in the meac is better? please elaborate, don't just criticize without justification. you need to change your name to "bad news", 'cause you hardly have anything positive to say about aggie athletics! i guess you think the only a&t coach worth keeping is bibbs, huh? but you're so negative, you may not even want her either! despite a&t's shortcomings, having a mediocre coach is unacceptable to you, huh? you want a coach who can overcome our deficiencies and still win championships, right? well sir, that's takes an "extraordinary" coach and they're hard to find! and do you have "extraordinary" coach dollars? so i guess we have to live with a very narrow job description for our coaches that says unless you can overcome our deficiencies, we don't want you! instead of fixing the root cause of our athletic problems, you rather say the hail with fixing our problems, lets hire a coach who can overcome all of our deficiencies! well, in case you haven't noticed, those kind of coaches are very hard to find and very hard to pay! you want to take the bandaid fix instead of the permanent fix. if we fixed our own deficiencies and provided the tools necessary to be successful, we wouldn't need to hire "extraordinary" coaches! kevin nickelberry at hampton is a very "mediocre" coach (if that), but he stills wins because the university gives him the tools he needs to be successful. they've got a basketball arena that can rival any mid-major pwc arena in the country. they've got one of the largest budgets in the conference, if not the largest. nickelberry's got full backing and support from the school president. yet, if i had to choose between nickelberry and eaves, i'd take eaves any day of the week! but eaves doesn't have the same tools to work with that nickelberry does. how 'bout we fix our own deficiencies and provide the tools and support necessary to be successful before we complain about our coaches. will you even argue that we have deficiencies? i guess you figure we don't need to fix 'em, just hire someone who can over come 'em. well sir, its that very attitude that got us in the situation we're in now... |
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Post by aggieman007 on Oct 30, 2008 12:59:10 GMT -5
aahhbigboy
"bad news" "bad news" "bad news"
CLASSIC!!!!!!
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 30, 2008 13:45:19 GMT -5
Lord have mercy. I can't believe you said that. Utterly unbelievable. I just now realized how Fobbs made it as far as he did. are you suggesting eaves is the worse coach in the meac? if so, please explain why? don't just throw out criticism, explain who da hail is better and why. no need to discuss fang, bozeman, or jackson. i agree they're better. but who else in the meac is better? please elaborate, don't just criticize without justification. you need to change your name to "bad news", 'cause you hardly have anything positive to say about aggie athletics! i guess you think the only a&t coach worth keeping is bibbs, huh? but you're so negative, you may not even want her either! despite a&t's shortcomings, having a mediocre coach is unacceptable to you, huh? you want a coach who can overcome our deficiencies and still win championships, right? well sir, that's takes an "extraordinary" coach and they're hard to find! and do you have "extraordinary" coach dollars? so i guess we have to live with a very narrow job description for our coaches that says unless you can overcome our deficiencies, we don't want you! instead of fixing the root cause of our athletic problems, you rather say the hail with fixing our problems, lets hire a coach who can overcome all of our deficiencies! well, in case you haven't noticed, those kind of coaches are very hard to find and very hard to pay! you want to take the bandaid fix instead of the permanent fix. if we fixed our own deficiencies and provided the tools necessary to be successful, we wouldn't need to hire "extraordinary" coaches! kevin nickelberry at hampton is a very "mediocre" coach (if that), but he stills wins because the university gives him the tools he needs to be successful. they've got a basketball arena that can rival any mid-major pwc arena in the country. they've got one of the largest budgets in the conference, if not the largest. nickelberry's got full backing and support from the school president. yet, if i had to choose between nickelberry and eaves, i'd take eaves any day of the week! but eaves doesn't have the same tools to work with that nickelberry does. how 'bout we fix our own deficiencies and provide the tools and support necessary to be successful before we complain about our coaches. will you even argue that we have deficiencies? i guess you figure we don't need to fix 'em, just hire someone who can over come 'em. well sir, its that very attitude that got us in the situation we're in now... Before I respond, let me correct you on a few things. I never said I expected a championship. The most I asked for was a top 3 finish and/or more than 1 win in the tourney. Deficiencies? Sure we have deficiencies, but guess what? So does everyone else. Can they be fixed? No that easily. So yes, work on the deficiencies but move the program forward. As far as coaches, give me the guy from NSU. He had a top 3 finish in his first year. Eaves hasn't done that in 5. Give me Winston's coach. He's a proven winner in this conference and already has Winston at a respectable level. Give me FAM's coach. Over the last 2 years (Eaves' best), FAM has won more games in conference and had a top 2 finish. Then they're coming back with arguably the best recruiting class in the conference. So including the ones you named, I can make a case for 6 coaches in the MEAC that is better than Eaves (even though I must admit that the case for NSU is weak). See, here's the problem. You like Eaves as a guy. I'm not attacking the guy. He's a terrible coach!! That's what I'm attacking. So yes, my name is "Bad News" because I'm the one that let you know that his winning percentage is the lowest that any coach at A&T has had!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Furthermore, every other coach we've had has made it past the 1st game in the tourney. And yes, that includes Hunter. You don't want to face the facts. It's like talking to a McCain supporter that thinks Palin is brilliant. lol You don't WANT to see it. You want me to settle for medocrity like you have. It didn't just get bad when Eaves got here. It's always been dysfunctional. But the other guys did better. And they didn't get paid more, and they weren't extraordinary. They just had a little bit of "know how" and Eaves doesn't. That's all. And if you feel good about the state of A&T athletics, then GOD bless you. |
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 30, 2008 14:39:31 GMT -5
Please you want Bobby Collins ? If I remember correctly Collins resigned under pressure. He wrote the coattails of the former Coach, had a new arena, and very well respected program as a mid major and he still could not suceed. Hampton played Momounth in the play-in game and got blowed out by close to 30. It was obvious that Hampton had better athletes and players. He may be a decent recruiter but he cant Coach he was outclassed in the paly-in game. Bobby Collins that just harlioussss!!!
ON a second note Eaves will do better than expected this year. Think about it Rush & Ewing were great three point shooters / free throw shooters and great Aggies thats about it. Neither could take the ball to whole and finish, post up , or guard a 6-2 shooting guard. Dont you think after Colemans performance last year more than one mid-major said we should looked at him closer.
Collins that funny.
The 2008-2009 team looks better on paper than last years team ever did!!
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Post by aggierob on Oct 30, 2008 14:58:00 GMT -5
FAMU has a new coach, Eugene Harris who last year this time was a high school coach and Eaves at NSU this is only his 2nd year as a D1 head coach.
To be honest coaching in the MEAC is bad.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 30, 2008 15:28:57 GMT -5
are you suggesting eaves is the worse coach in the meac? if so, please explain why? don't just throw out criticism, explain who da hail is better and why. no need to discuss fang, bozeman, or jackson. i agree they're better. but who else in the meac is better? please elaborate, don't just criticize without justification. you need to change your name to "bad news", 'cause you hardly have anything positive to say about aggie athletics! i guess you think the only a&t coach worth keeping is bibbs, huh? but you're so negative, you may not even want her either! despite a&t's shortcomings, having a mediocre coach is unacceptable to you, huh? you want a coach who can overcome our deficiencies and still win championships, right? well sir, that's takes an "extraordinary" coach and they're hard to find! and do you have "extraordinary" coach dollars? so i guess we have to live with a very narrow job description for our coaches that says unless you can overcome our deficiencies, we don't want you! instead of fixing the root cause of our athletic problems, you rather say the hail with fixing our problems, lets hire a coach who can overcome all of our deficiencies! well, in case you haven't noticed, those kind of coaches are very hard to find and very hard to pay! you want to take the bandaid fix instead of the permanent fix. if we fixed our own deficiencies and provided the tools necessary to be successful, we wouldn't need to hire "extraordinary" coaches! kevin nickelberry at hampton is a very "mediocre" coach (if that), but he stills wins because the university gives him the tools he needs to be successful. they've got a basketball arena that can rival any mid-major pwc arena in the country. they've got one of the largest budgets in the conference, if not the largest. nickelberry's got full backing and support from the school president. yet, if i had to choose between nickelberry and eaves, i'd take eaves any day of the week! but eaves doesn't have the same tools to work with that nickelberry does. how 'bout we fix our own deficiencies and provide the tools and support necessary to be successful before we complain about our coaches. will you even argue that we have deficiencies? i guess you figure we don't need to fix 'em, just hire someone who can over come 'em. well sir, its that very attitude that got us in the situation we're in now... Before I respond, let me correct you on a few things. I never said I expected a championship. The most I asked for was a top 3 finish and/or more than 1 win in the tourney. Deficiencies? Sure we have deficiencies, but guess what? So does everyone else. Can they be fixed? No that easily. So yes, work on the deficiencies but move the program forward. As far as coaches, give me the guy from NSU. He had a top 3 finish in his first year. Eaves hasn't done that in 5. Give me Winston's coach. He's a proven winner in this conference and already has Winston at a respectable level. Give me FAM's coach. Over the last 2 years (Eaves' best), FAM has won more games in conference and had a top 2 finish. Then they're coming back with arguably the best recruiting class in the conference. So including the ones you named, I can make a case for 6 coaches in the MEAC that is better than Eaves (even though I must admit that the case for NSU is weak). See, here's the problem. You like Eaves as a guy. I'm not attacking the guy. He's a terrible coach!! That's what I'm attacking. So yes, my name is "Bad News" because I'm the one that let you know that his winning percentage is the lowest that any coach at A&T has had!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Furthermore, every other coach we've had has made it past the 1st game in the tourney. And yes, that includes Hunter. You don't want to face the facts. It's like talking to a McCain supporter that thinks Palin is brilliant. lol You don't WANT to see it. You want me to settle for medocrity like you have. It didn't just get bad when Eaves got here. It's always been dysfunctional. But the other guys did better. And they didn't get paid more, and they weren't extraordinary. They just had a little bit of "know how" and Eaves doesn't. That's all. And if you feel good about the state of A&T athletics, then GOD bless you. never said i felt good about aggie athletics, but i know what the root cause of the problem is and it ain't the coaches. every single one of the coaches you named would have the very same problems eaves is having if they were coaching at a&t. i mean, every single one! the coaches you suggested have performed marginally well where they already are! no different than eaves. anthony evans at nsu is unproven. coach small won the meac championship in his first year at a&t, but look at what happened the two years after that! when i last checked, evans had a very weak recruiting class. let's see what nsu does this year before we crown him king. collins at wssu was a winner in the meac only because he coached at hampton. please review my comments regarding hampton's support system and kevin nickelberry, the same applied to collins when he was there. eaves would win an meac championship if he were coaching hampton! if you can't win at hampton, you can't win anywhere. collins' record against meac teams while at winston is only so so. last year, collins lost to sorry azz virtually "winless" nccu in the bonus game! if he were coaching a&t, it would take you a full nanosecond to get all up in his azz for that! pub-leeeze! you're no better off with collins than you are with eaves. the coach that won the meac tournament at famu, mike gillespie, got fired for being convicted of stalking some chick in florida. their new coach, eugene harris, hasn't won jack! and the reason harris has a great recruiting class is because famu is about to move into a brand new state of the art 10,000 plus seat arena! even i can recruit a great class if i have a new facility like that to sell! bring harris to a&t and he'll fail miserably trying to sell corbett to those same recruits! not only is your case for evans weak, its weak for collins and harris too! eaves has had success against all three of them! "at best", they're on the same level as eaves. give eaves a brand new arena like harris has and just watch the recruits come pouring in! both morgan and nsu have better basketball facilities than we do. even coppin is about to move into a "brand new" arena. dsu's arena is smaller but its far more modern than corbett. do you see a pattern? ya think maybe the coaches at those schools have an upper hand in terms of facilities? you could also say the same for umes, hampton, and wssu (if you count the joel complex). folks need to get real! eaves is doing an adequate job with what he has to work with, which is a low budget and subpar facilities. if it wasn't for our large fan base, eaves would be up the creek in terms of recruiting because corbett center alone ain't gone win too many recruits over... |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 30, 2008 15:55:04 GMT -5
I don't the Dawg Pound is a recruiting disadvantage. If anything, kids will see the youtube videos of the Dawg Pound and become more inspired to want to play in that kind of atmosphere.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 30, 2008 17:11:52 GMT -5
I don't the Dawg Pound is a recruiting disadvantage. If anything, kids will see the youtube videos of the Dawg Pound and become more inspired to want to play in that kind of atmosphere. thrilla, if i understand your comment, i'm agreeing with you. i'm saying its the dawg pound that wins recruits for us, but the building alone (corbett center) won't win recruits over like famu's brand new arena or hampton convocation center does. hail, hampton has a great facility but their fan attendance is horrible. if we had their facility or famu's, we'd easily win the meac... |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 30, 2008 17:28:09 GMT -5
The Dawg Pound (student section) is the chief part of Corbett. There is no way you can separate the two. The Dawg Pound instantly makes a crappy old building (lust like Cameron Indoor Stadium is) into a historical landmark. UVA has a much better new stadium than Duke, but records aside which venue would a player rather have for their home games?
Corbett is without a doubt the top facility in the MEAC. Why? Because Corbett has the Dawg Pound and nobody else comes close to that kind of atmosphere.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 30, 2008 17:36:29 GMT -5
The Dawg Pound (student section) is the chief part of Corbett. There is no way you can separate the two. The Dawg Pound instantly makes a crappy old building (lust like Cameron Indoor Stadium is) into a historical landmark. UVA has a much better new stadium than Duke, but records aside which venue would a player rather have for their home games? Corbett is without a doubt the top facility in the MEAC. Why? Because Corbett has the Dawg Pound and nobody else comes close to that kind of atmosphere. yeah, but the dawg pound ain't in there when the guys are "practicing" and duke doesn't practice in cameron, they practice in a "brand new state of the art" practice facility next door to cameron... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 30, 2008 17:57:58 GMT -5
thrilla, i can tell you for a fact, facilities mean a lot to recruits. its not everything, but it means a lot. my daughter was recruited by some d1 schools all over the east coast for basketball and i took her to all of her official and unofficial visits. my daughter almost committed to going to a school she didn't even like (rhode island and east carolina), they had tremendous facilities that almost swayed her to go. have you ever seen east carolina's facilities? their weight room is one of the finest in the country, its no accident that holtz is able to recruit guys to greenville.
i agree, kids want to play in front of a lot of fans, that's why i said if it wasn't for our fan base, eaves would be up the creek. but at the end of the day, guys think about the facilities they have to practice and lift weights in, day in day out, when the fans aren't there. our football facilities is a big plus for recruiting.
look at the basketball recruits hampton gets, yet you can hear your echo in their building during games. but the guys love the facility, that's a major reason they go there...
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