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Post by DOOMS on Sept 19, 2023 14:09:42 GMT -5
They didn't. I feel like this has been discussed already, but Martin and the Board felt like it would be best accomplished through joining a conference with a number of institutions that are already R1. Hence the drooling over the CAA since 2015.
Maybe Maine and everybody else who's still upset will see it for what it is at some point. Martin runs a school, not an athletic department. That being typed, he's competitive. We won't suck forever. Likewise, he is not content unless we compete with any and all comers. Some may see that as trying to be accepted by white folk or whatever, but Martin calls the shots and he wants our alma mater (it's his alma mater too, remember) to be as big a dog as possible while he's there.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 19, 2023 14:11:47 GMT -5
They didn't. I feel like this has been discussed already, but Martin and the Board felt like it would be best accomplished through joining a conference with a number of institutions that are already R1. Hence the drooling over the CAA since 2015. Maybe Maine and everybody else who's still upset will see it for what it is at some point. Martin runs a school, not an athletic department. That being typed, he's competitive. We won't suck forever. Likewise, he is not content unless we compete with any and all comers. Some may see that as trying to be accepted by white folk or whatever, but Martin calls the shots and he wants our alma mater (it's his alma mater too, remember) to be as big a dog as possible while he's there. sounds like a perfect description of former hampton president, dr. harvey... |
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Post by AggieMac on Sept 19, 2023 14:23:51 GMT -5
C'mon now you know some "aggies" don't want to hear about innovation and increased funding for their school. All they want to know is who we play for homecoming, beat up on the Deleware States, and attend the Celebration bowl in December. I think MOST "Aggies" would be happy to have both We do have both. We have our rivals on our schedule new and old, while growing the university... |
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Post by westcoastaggie on Sept 19, 2023 14:24:31 GMT -5
I mean, R1 IS more valuable to the school than Athletics. And I am sure there where other routes to pursue that ambition other than joining an athletic conference. In the immortal words of great negro poet Silk the Shocker, "you aint gotta lie to kick it." Oh, no. Ima keep it a buck. We left the MEAC because of poor leadership within the conference and the fact that pre-covid, athletically, A&T was being weighted down by the other members that did not align with what we were trying to do. We (Earl, Harold, and the BOT) did not want want to remain in a conference that was negatively viewed and full of resource-limited schools that rank at or near the bottom of all sports they sponsor except Bowling. |
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Post by westcoastaggie on Sept 19, 2023 14:27:09 GMT -5
They didn't. I feel like this has been discussed already, but Martin and the Board felt like it would be best accomplished through joining a conference with a number of institutions that are already R1. Hence the drooling over the CAA since 2015. Maybe Maine and everybody else who's still upset will see it for what it is at some point. Martin runs a school, not an athletic department. That being typed, he's competitive. We won't suck forever. Likewise, he is not content unless we compete with any and all comers. Some may see that as trying to be accepted by white folk or whatever, but Martin calls the shots and he wants our alma mater (it's his alma mater too, remember) to be as big a dog as possible while he's there. And Harold does not his school aligned to a conference that is at or near the bottom in just about all of the sports they sponsor. IMHO, I agree with it and it will pay off for us in the long run. It may not truly be good for the sector, especially once this attention HBCU Football gets now wanes as it has multiple times in the years. |
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Post by KidHeartless on Sept 19, 2023 14:40:48 GMT -5
Blame Texas & Oklahoma for creating the opening to the CAA  well....if you trace this wave of realignment to its source..... it starts with OU & Texas.....eventually the ripple effect created the opening for JMU which led to CAA expansion..... ...........in a nutshell Root Cause Analysis: we "jumped" at the opportunity because an opening was created. Even though we KNEW we were not going to be ready for about 4-5 years.... opportunity calls....sometimes you gotta answer.... |
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Post by KidHeartless on Sept 19, 2023 14:42:41 GMT -5
I'm with Jah on this one. I felt like this since all the way back when I worked at HU and they left the MEAC. Didn't like it then, still don't like it. But we're clearly not going back so it is what it is at this point. I know I'm gonna get heat from some of y'all for this but IDGAD, I've always felt like the constant black obsession to always seek approval/validation from white folks is what has hindered us more recently than those same white folks that don't want us there in the first place. They dangled a check in our face and we sold out quicker than a PS5 well.....you are allowed to feel the way you feel & express it as such as long as you arent harming anyone in the process....so please...let it all out man |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 19, 2023 14:44:35 GMT -5
And I am sure there where other routes to pursue that ambition other than joining an athletic conference. In the immortal words of great negro poet Silk the Shocker, "you aint gotta lie to kick it." Oh, no. Ima keep it a buck. We left the MEAC because of poor leadership within the conference and the fact that pre-covid, athletically, A&T was being weighted down by the other members that did not align with what we were trying to do. We (Earl, Harold, and the BOT) did not want want to remain in a conference that was negatively viewed and full of resource-limited schools that rank at or near the bottom of all sports they sponsor except Bowling.i guess that's why there's meac and swac football teams who are ranked much higher than us. oh, i know. the "osmosis" process hasn't kicked in yet... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 19, 2023 14:53:18 GMT -5
well....if you trace this wave of realignment to its source..... it starts with OU & Texas.....eventually the ripple effect created the opening for JMU which led to CAA expansion..... ...........in a nutshell Root Cause Analysis: we "jumped" at the opportunity because an opening was created. Even though we KNEW we were not going to be ready for about 4-5 years.... opportunity calls....sometimes you gotta answer.... oh, okay. i understand your logic, it makes sense but i don't agree with it. an entire "power 5" conference (pac 10) is on the verge of "nonexistence". when texas and ou abandoned the big 12, in the aftermath a swarm of pac 10 schools joined the big 12 to more than fill the gap that texas and ou left. jmu would've been welcomed to the sunbelt conference with "open arms" whether texas and ou left the big 12 or not. but i understand your logic now... |
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 19, 2023 15:15:07 GMT -5
I'm with Jah on this one. I felt like this since all the way back when I worked at HU and they left the MEAC. Didn't like it then, still don't like it. But we're clearly not going back so it is what it is at this point. I know I'm gonna get heat from some of y'all for this but IDGAD, I've always felt like the constant black obsession to always seek approval/validation from white folks is what has hindered us more recently than those same white folks that don't want us there in the first place. They dangled a check in our face and we sold out quicker than a PS5 I don't know how wanting to compete against the best in FCS is chasing validation. If on my work evaluation I was ranked #1 out of 21 low performing person I would not fool like I accomplished anything. Furthermore, that would not set me up for promotions or better jobs. Being number 1 out of 136 high performers is a lot more satisfying and sets me up for better jobs and promotions. Trying to be the best is not seeking validation, some are more competitive than others and are happy not competing against the best. |
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Post by Gator on Sept 19, 2023 15:26:33 GMT -5
Interesting, this year I'm seeing a lot of kids playing FBS ball or playing in PWI conferences that came from HBCUs, and nobody is complaining about them changing conferences, moving up or selling out. The principle of it all is the same.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Sept 19, 2023 17:05:56 GMT -5
Oh, no. Ima keep it a buck. We left the MEAC because of poor leadership within the conference and the fact that pre-covid, athletically, A&T was being weighted down by the other members that did not align with what we were trying to do. We (Earl, Harold, and the BOT) did not want want to remain in a conference that was negatively viewed and full of resource-limited schools that rank at or near the bottom of all sports they sponsor except Bowling.i guess that's why there's meac and swac football teams who are ranked much higher than us. oh, i know. the "osmosis" process hasn't kicked in yet... …ALL SPORTS! |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 19, 2023 18:05:41 GMT -5
i guess that's why there's meac and swac football teams who are ranked much higher than us. oh, i know. the "osmosis" process hasn't kicked in yet... …ALL SPORTS! not men's and women's track and field! besides, what has that got to do with what conference a school participates in? you think "osmosis" is how conference membership works? meaning, if you join a stronger conference in a sport, you "automatically" become as strong as the other members of that conference? is that what you and dr. martin think? if so, you both are terribly mistaken! i can give you "tons" of examples that demonstrate that ain't true. likewise, i can give you examples of sports programs that "dominate" their sport at the d1 level who don't belong to a conference power in that sport. you can start with gonzaga men's basketball, uconn wbb, and clemson football. how 'bout the most "dominant" d1 men's basketball program ever, "ucla". the pac 10 has never been known to be a power conference in men's basketball... |
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Post by saabman on Sept 19, 2023 19:38:27 GMT -5
well....if you trace this wave of realignment to its source..... it starts with OU & Texas.....eventually the ripple effect created the opening for JMU which led to CAA expansion..... ...........in a nutshell Root Cause Analysis: we "jumped" at the opportunity because an opening was created. Even though we KNEW we were not going to be ready for about 4-5 years.... opportunity calls....sometimes you gotta answer.... No it started when Texas A&M & Missouri jumped to the SEC and that started Texas and Oklahoma to look into joining the SEC also because at that time and now the SEC is the strongest conference in the NCAA. |
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Post by The Professor on Sept 19, 2023 20:13:38 GMT -5
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