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Post by planoaggie on Feb 4, 2023 9:22:52 GMT -5
If you are not going to let the HC hire a good supporting staff due to money constraints, then you are somewhat shooting the basketball program in the foot. The money needs to be right to hire a good coach and supporting staff. The challenge to win a conference championship is more difficult. We need the upgrade in staff to target better recruits and player development.
As far as HC salary, we won't know whether we paid too much or not enough until after watching the product for 2 to 4 years. This maybe a good poll question on what the salary range of the new MBB HC should be <$400K, $400K-$500K, $501K-$600K, or $600K+. Note that College of Charleston HC contract is $600K/yr for 5 years, but they don't have a football program. This is an important factor to some in their decision.
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Post by aggie94 on Feb 4, 2023 10:13:29 GMT -5
We are not paying the basketball coach more than the HC Football coach. 250K is what I would think will be the sweet spot.
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 4, 2023 10:34:22 GMT -5
We are not paying the basketball coach more than the HC Football coach. 250K is what I would think will be the sweet spot. It is possible if you have underpaid the football HC and his staff. I am not saying that we have, but what measuring stick was used to determine his salary compared to his fellow conference coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2023 10:37:50 GMT -5
We are not paying the basketball coach more than the HC Football coach. 250K is what I would think will be the sweet spot. We are going to pay more than that. Our pay is going to be in line with the CAA average for Men’s Basketball. My question is where will the money come from?
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Post by aggiechampd on Feb 5, 2023 2:24:46 GMT -5
We are not paying the basketball coach more than the HC Football coach. 250K is what I would think will be the sweet spot. It is possible if you have underpaid the football HC and his staff. I am not saying that we have, but what measuring stick was used to determine his salary compared to his fellow conference coaches. Average FCS Head Coach makes around 160K per season. And our previous head coach almost doubled that. And our current head coach exceed that. I don't see us paying our next head basketball coach and his staff more than what we are paying the football coach and staff. Besides the fact that at some point, we have to start thinking about how to keep Coach Robinson for the Women's Program as well. If Coach Rob ends up winning the CAA regular season and the conference tournament, he would deserve a raise I would think.
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Post by DOOMS on Feb 5, 2023 15:43:22 GMT -5
Should we pay on what the average FCS coach makes or what the average CAA coach makes. Plus taking into account cost of living.
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 5, 2023 16:20:35 GMT -5
Should we pay on what the average FCS coach makes or what the average CAA coach makes. Plus taking into account cost of living. The average FCS MBB coach salary makes no since to me unless that salary is higher than the average CAA MBB coach salary and we have future plans to move to a more competitive conference soon. Otherwise, we should be looking at CAA MBB coach salaries and not "average". If you want to be a top tier CAA contender, then you may have to spend top tier money for a coach. Factor in whatever adjustments you feel (cost of living, etc.). Just my opinion.
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Post by saabman on Feb 5, 2023 16:46:21 GMT -5
As someone stated (OSA I think ) A&T should pay what there budget can afford nothing more or less based on the quality of the candidate/candidates.
If you have an upper tier Walmart budget you don't go and pay for the same toaster at Marshall's for a higher price . 😆
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 5, 2023 18:55:13 GMT -5
If we can't afford to pay for a top tier CAA coach at the adjusted market rate, then stick to what we can afford. But don't later blame the coach we hired on why we can't beat the upper tier teams or win a CAA championship. Good coaches, salary, and winning are not mutually exclusive. Now, there are always exceptions to the above, but is that what we are gambling on these days. With all the noise about wanting a good coach and challenging for conference championships like the WBB team, I don't see how you achieve this without matching the adjusted market rate in the CAA.
If our WBB coach wins the CAA championship or regular season and his contract is up, it would be natural for him to ask to be paid a salary (mid to upper tier) comparable to that of his fellow WBB CAA coaches. You pay for performance and/or experience.
I am clueless as to what A&T should pay its new coach beyond what I have researched, but when I hear to "pay whatever we can afford" that sends me signals that you "maybe" comfortable at where you are at because you are not willing to step outside your box for a chance at a major improvement. Colorado was willing to make Deion Sanders the highest paid football coach in their history in an attempt to get out of the PAC12 gutter (~$5.9M/yr). He is the 3rd highest paid coach in the conference. They were sick of losing and wanted to pay whatever in the "hope" of a major change in the program. I hear that they don't have the money to pay him, but are going to find away to make it happen.
I don't expect A&T to go to such extreme, but it is a good example that if you are so sick and tired of A&T doing the same thing (not paying coaches appropriately, not staffing accordingly, promoting interim coaches to HC, limited new coach search, etc.) and you want a major change, then don't do what is comfortable and settle, but get extremely aggressive to get the future coach you desire.
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Post by saabman on Feb 5, 2023 22:15:36 GMT -5
If we can't afford to pay for a top tier CAA coach at the adjusted market rate, then stick to what we can afford. But don't later blame the coach we hired on why we can't beat the upper tier teams or win a CAA championship. Good coaches, salary, and winning are not mutually exclusive. Now, there are always exceptions to the above, but is that what we are gambling on these days. With all the noise about wanting a good coach and challenging for conference championships like the WBB team, I don't see how you achieve this without matching the adjusted market rate in the CAA. If our WBB coach wins the CAA championship or regular season and his contract is up, it would be natural for him to ask to be paid a salary (mid to upper tier) comparable to that of his fellow WBB CAA coaches. You pay for performance and/or experience. I am clueless as to what A&T should pay its new coach beyond what I have researched, but when I hear to "pay whatever we can afford" that sends me signals that you "maybe" comfortable at where you are at because you are not willing to step outside your box for a chance at a major improvement. Colorado was willing to make Deion Sanders the highest paid football coach in their history in an attempt to get out of the PAC12 gutter (~$5.9M/yr). He is the 3rd highest paid coach in the conference. They were sick of losing and wanted to pay whatever in the "hope" of a major change in the program. I hear that they don't have the money to pay him, but are going to find away to make it happen. I don't expect A&T to go to such extreme, but it is a good example that if you are so sick and tired of A&T doing the same thing (not paying coaches appropriately, not staffing accordingly, promoting interim coaches to HC, limited new coach search, etc.) and you want a major change, then don't do what is comfortable and settle, but get extremely aggressive to get the future coach you desire. I agree but it has to be as I stated " pay what you can afford with in your budget nothing more or less" that is a big difference between paying what you can afford because what you can afford can be adjusted but at what costs/cost. Your example about the pac 12 team is correct but the difference between A&T and that Pac 12 team is . Most of the major P5 programs have Stand alone athletic departments/programs..i.e there own boosters and athletics targeted endowments . So they can afford to spend and fund those types of expenditures at no cost to there athletics departments institution alloted budget . They just add the extra 00's on to the coaches salary which is perfectly legal because it comes from an athletic endowment account . That is the level we are trying to get too . But for now it's what is within our budget/means .
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Post by planoaggie on Feb 5, 2023 23:15:39 GMT -5
If we can't afford to pay for a top tier CAA coach at the adjusted market rate, then stick to what we can afford. But don't later blame the coach we hired on why we can't beat the upper tier teams or win a CAA championship. Good coaches, salary, and winning are not mutually exclusive. Now, there are always exceptions to the above, but is that what we are gambling on these days. With all the noise about wanting a good coach and challenging for conference championships like the WBB team, I don't see how you achieve this without matching the adjusted market rate in the CAA. If our WBB coach wins the CAA championship or regular season and his contract is up, it would be natural for him to ask to be paid a salary (mid to upper tier) comparable to that of his fellow WBB CAA coaches. You pay for performance and/or experience. I am clueless as to what A&T should pay its new coach beyond what I have researched, but when I hear to "pay whatever we can afford" that sends me signals that you "maybe" comfortable at where you are at because you are not willing to step outside your box for a chance at a major improvement. Colorado was willing to make Deion Sanders the highest paid football coach in their history in an attempt to get out of the PAC12 gutter (~$5.9M/yr). He is the 3rd highest paid coach in the conference. They were sick of losing and wanted to pay whatever in the "hope" of a major change in the program. I hear that they don't have the money to pay him, but are going to find away to make it happen. I don't expect A&T to go to such extreme, but it is a good example that if you are so sick and tired of A&T doing the same thing (not paying coaches appropriately, not staffing accordingly, promoting interim coaches to HC, limited new coach search, etc.) and you want a major change, then don't do what is comfortable and settle, but get extremely aggressive to get the future coach you desire. I agree but it has to be as I stated " pay what you can afford with in your budget nothing more or less" that is a big difference between paying what you can afford because what you can afford can be adjusted but at what costs/cost. Your example about the pac 12 team is correct but the difference between A&T and that Pac 12 team is . Most of the major P5 programs have Stand alone athletic departments/programs..i.e there own boosters and athletics targeted endowments . So they can afford to spend and fund those types of expenditures at no cost to there athletics departments institution alloted budget . They just add the extra 00's on to the coaches salary which is perfectly legal because it comes from an athletic endowment account . That is the level we are trying to get too . But for now it's what is within our budget/means . Thanks for sharing the differences between the conferences. Some of it I was not aware, but I did know my example of Univ. Colorado was unreal for us to do. I just wanted to make sure our expectations are not set too high based on what we can afford.
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Post by saabman on Feb 6, 2023 0:01:21 GMT -5
I agree but it has to be as I stated " pay what you can afford with in your budget nothing more or less" that is a big difference between paying what you can afford because what you can afford can be adjusted but at what costs/cost. Your example about the pac 12 team is correct but the difference between A&T and that Pac 12 team is . Most of the major P5 programs have Stand alone athletic departments/programs..i.e there own boosters and athletics targeted endowments . So they can afford to spend and fund those types of expenditures at no cost to there athletics departments institution alloted budget . They just add the extra 00's on to the coaches salary which is perfectly legal because it comes from an athletic endowment account . That is the level we are trying to get too . But for now it's what is within our budget/means . Thanks for sharing the differences between the conferences. Some of it I was not aware, but I did know my example of Univ. Colorado was unreal for us to do. I just wanted to make sure our expectations are not set too high based on what we can afford. Your statement was correct in what your were stating. I never use P5 programs as a example when we are talking about athletics, because they can take chances with there $$$ but we can not . Having a limitation for hiring a high profile team coach gives not only the coach time to up his position when his contract expires . It also gives us time to solidify the funds to keep him or her .
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