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Post by aggie2039 on Jan 15, 2022 15:50:43 GMT -5
Well, if it is a money pit let's just join the CIAA. We can save money on scholarships and travel. Win win. or we can stop playing football all together... Become the next Gonzaga
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Post by saabman on Jan 15, 2022 15:51:50 GMT -5
But 96 the departures of Hampton, Kennesaw, & Monmouth doesn't equate to the BS being on life support. It would impact football surely, but doesn't threaten the conference at large. And I'm sure Kallander was forecasting potential defections, this has been their experience particularly with football. At the very least we've seen the BS add members, what are the MEAC additions in the last 5 years? yeah but the meac was "never" unstable in its entire 50 year history, not until a&t left. that's when the conference started to fall apart, not when hampton left. if a&t had never left, the meac would not be in the predicament that its in now. there would be no need to add anymore members... I have to disagree. A&T's departure did not unravel the conference , but it did make the situation dicey by dropping the MEAC to the 6 football playing team minimum that they would need to have for the AQ if they were to decide to go that route in the future . But you are correct " If A&T had never left the MEAC would not be in the predicament " and the MEAC has never been a unstable conference and it's not one now . Being truthful the MEAC has shown itself to be quite resourceful since the departure of A&T and Hampton and with Thomas's retirement, under knew leadership.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 15, 2022 15:54:37 GMT -5
Well, if it is a money pit let's just join the CIAA. We can save money on scholarships and travel. Win win. or we can stop playing football all together... Become the next Gonzaga And there you go. Obviously you and I have different values because I think football is an integral part of a Division One athletic department. I am not willing to jettison my highest profile sport in order to save costs in other areas. You may be willing to have A&T looking like UNCG one day, but I not not share that vision.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 16:00:48 GMT -5
But 96 the departures of Hampton, Kennesaw, & Monmouth doesn't equate to the BS being on life support. It would impact football surely, but doesn't threaten the conference at large. And I'm sure Kallander was forecasting potential defections, this has been their experience particularly with football. At the very least we've seen the BS add members, what are the MEAC additions in the last 5 years? yeah but the meac was "never" unstable in its entire 50 year history, not until a&t left. that's when the conference started to fall apart, not when hampton left. if a&t had never left, the meac would not be in the predicament that its in now. there would be no need to add anymore members... Even after A&T, Bethune, and FAMU left, we honestly can’t say the conference isn’t unstable in anything but baseball. As long as the Celebration Bowl exists, they’ll be fine. They can even get to 5 or 4 football playing members.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2022 16:04:18 GMT -5
or we can stop playing football all together... Become the next Gonzaga And there you go. Obviously you and I have different values because I think football is an integral part of a Division One athletic department. I am not willing to jettison my highest profile sport in order to save costs in other areas. You may be willing to have A&T looking like UNCG one day, but I not not share that vision. Objectively, aside from GHOE, is Football A&T’s highest profile sport or is it our biggest expense? And one thing of note: FCS is created because D1 programs did not want or can’t spend $$$ needed for FBS ball. Going CIAA and giving up D1 status isn’t worth it imho.
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Post by saabman on Jan 15, 2022 16:09:05 GMT -5
Did A&T's leadership see this coming ? It is going to be interesting to see how far the Big S***it's strength of conference rankings drop with the departure of KSU , NAU and Monmouth and possibly Campbell in football .The MEAC's new management should make sure that the remaining football-playing institutions stay consolidated has a conference . Now is the time to talk MERGER because the MEAC is holding all the cards . And should adopt a , all or nothing mentality because the Big S****it is in between a rock and a hard place with no where to go outside of pilfering teams from the MEAC . This is going to be an interesting next to year's . It appears that there was a rush to run away from home due to some matters that should have been resolved intelligently. Advice from Harvey and others with a carrot while using a frivolous argument about lost class time due to travel; overlooked the obvious. A look at the books meaning the history of the conference should have been done . But no folk were upset and were blinded by pie in the sky except for the one lone vote against this leap of false faith. It would be a good thing if the MEAC could be stronger and attractive and should trat A&T like that little boy who ran away from home got tired and hungry came back home to sit at the supper table and his plate was not there. Amen . I always knew that the move was personal between Harvey at Hampton and Martin at A&T against the MEAC's Commissioner .
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Post by aggie2039 on Jan 15, 2022 16:10:00 GMT -5
yeah but the meac was "never" unstable in its entire 50 year history, not until a&t left. that's when the conference started to fall apart, not when hampton left. if a&t had never left, the meac would not be in the predicament that its in now. there would be no need to add anymore members... Even after A&T, Bethune, and FAMU left, we honestly can’t say the conference isn’t unstable in anything but baseball. As long as the Celebration Bowl exists, they’ll be fine. They can even get to 5 or 4 football playing members. The conference schools doesnt care about baseball. Folks can blame A&T but there are for schools in the conf that can field a baseball team but choose not to. Howard, NCCU, and Morgan have the funds to field a team but dont. Scenarios like this is where its talk versus action as it pertains to unity and priorities. Hence one of the reasons why my empathy meter is so low. Howard sponsors 6 sports that the MEAC does not but they do not have money to field a baseball team, yeah ok.
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Post by lobengula on Jan 15, 2022 16:25:45 GMT -5
It appears that there was a rush to run away from home due to some matters that should have been resolved intelligently. Advice from Harvey and others with a carrot while using a frivolous argument about lost class time due to travel; overlooked the obvious. A look at the books meaning the history of the conference should have been done . But no folk were upset and were blinded by pie in the sky except for the one lone vote against this leap of false faith. It would be a good thing if the MEAC could be stronger and attractive and should trat A&T like that little boy who ran away from home got tired and hungry came back home to sit at the supper table and his plate was not there. Amen . I always knew that the move was personal between Harvey at Hampton and Martin at A&T against the MEAC's Commissioner . Also the voice from High Point played a major silent role; by the way both voices.
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Post by lobengula on Jan 15, 2022 16:47:50 GMT -5
It appears that there was a rush to run away from home due to some matters that should have been resolved intelligently. Advice from Harvey and others with a carrot while using a frivolous argument about lost class time due to travel; overlooked the obvious. A look at the books meaning the history of the conference should have been done . But no folk were upset and were blinded by pie in the sky except for the one lone vote against this leap of false faith. It would be a good thing if the MEAC could be stronger and attractive and should trat A&T like that little boy who ran away from home got tired and hungry came back home to sit at the supper table and his plate was not there. Amen . I always knew that the move was personal between Harvey at Hampton and Martin at A&T against the MEAC's Commissioner . By the way as the dust settles both are sky high with their platinum parachutes packed to jump into the sunset while we are to remake our cultural trajectory once again.
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Post by A&T AGGIE 96 on Jan 15, 2022 17:14:41 GMT -5
We officially joined this conference in July of 2021. In less that a year, Monmouth, Kennesaw State, Hampton and North Alabama are all leaving (based on this report). We went from a league of 9 football playing schools to now five in less than seven months. The only other HBCU in the conference- which was supposed to make our cultural transition somewhat smoother - is leaving. If that sounds stable to you, you are lying to yourself. ^^^^This Right Here^^^^ When the MEAC lost A&T, FAMU, and BCU everyone was crying the sky is falling... how could their leadership let this happen...woe is us...HBCU football at the FCS level will never be the same. Then BSC losses Monmouth, Kennesaw State, North Alabama, and Hampton (a full member, if this report is right) and it's not cause for concern. Come on man...it is what it is, I just have to call it like I see it. Folk can feel how they want to about the move to the BSC (for, against, on the fence), but you have to be honest with yourself and say this ain't a good look no matter where you stand. Who knows how things will look when the dust settles...I actually think A&T is well positioned and would find a good home no matter what. With that said to try to pass this off as not being a set back for the BSC is not being truthful. Losing powerhouse and conference champion like Monmouth in the north, then having a potentially having a big azz football hole in Virginia with no football playing school ain't good. As one poster already stated, you know Robert Morris has to be looking at pressing the eject button. They are a football only member...and let's be honest, nobody really wants to travel up their to play, and they don't want to travel down here. It's only a matter of time before they say "we out".
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Post by aggierattler on Jan 15, 2022 18:48:15 GMT -5
Even after A&T, Bethune, and FAMU left, we honestly can’t say the conference isn’t unstable in anything but baseball. As long as the Celebration Bowl exists, they’ll be fine. They can even get to 5 or 4 football playing members. The conference schools doesnt care about baseball. Folks can blame A&T but there are for schools in the conf that can field a baseball team but choose not to. Howard, NCCU, and Morgan have the funds to field a team but dont. Scenarios like this is where its talk versus action as it pertains to unity and priorities. Hence one of the reasons why my empathy meter is so low. Howard sponsors 6 sports that the MEAC does not but they do not have money to field a baseball team, yeah ok. C'mon, now. Your empathy has never been on LOW. Your empathy meter for any other HBCU has always been on "Screw them all...I hope that they all die off." And that goes double for any MEAC institution concerning athletics.
No need to temper your views.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Jan 15, 2022 19:15:12 GMT -5
Hey, let's not forget, the old MEAC Commissioner was god awful! I've said this several times today but I'm no supporter of the Big South but I don't think it was a bad move. The biggest plus for A&T Athletics is we either get better or we'll get our heads beat in.
It looks like the Big South is struggling now but it's in much better shape than the MEAC. All we have to do now is keep improving our teams and wait to see who comes calling. We've become an attractive program that lots of conferences would like to have!
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Post by saabman on Jan 15, 2022 19:54:42 GMT -5
Well, if it is a money pit let's just join the CIAA. We can save money on scholarships and travel. Win win. or we can stop playing football all together... Become the next Gonzaga What is it with you 39 . I get the impression from you that you have a problem with any HBCU that is not A&T . But even then I get the feeling from you that A&T is not White enough or has not assimilated enough for you , with the little comments that you say here and there . If you have a problem with other HBCU's, you must have a problem with A&T because A&T has made many many mistakes to get to where She is today . There is no reason for you to be that hateful towards your own .
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Post by aggie2039 on Jan 15, 2022 19:59:14 GMT -5
or we can stop playing football all together... Become the next Gonzaga What is it with you 39 . I get the impression from you that you have a problem with any HBCU culture that is not A&T . But even then I get the feeling from you that A&T is not White enough or has not assimilated enough for you , with the little comments that you say here and there . If you have a problem with HBCU culture, you must have a problem with A&T because A&T personifies the HBCU cultural experience . Haha, a cute comment. You are some what right but extreme. What is HBCU culture? Additionally, what are those comments?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Jan 15, 2022 20:09:41 GMT -5
You honestly dont know what HBCU culture is?
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