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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2021 16:19:53 GMT -5
I hope we take the confidence we gained in the first half and the tapes of our mistakes and figure out a way to play better in our next game. We did not play good defense in the first half either.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 16:31:34 GMT -5
ah ha!! your video clip "clearly" shows what the problem was. duke had an empty backfield and went "5 wide" on us. we had a defender assigned to all 5 receivers including a db assigned to the slot who caught the first down, but our db "blew his coverage"!! that's why our "safety" had to come up from his safety position to make the tackle cuz our db was somewhere trippin' out in "la, la land" after the slot receiver made his cut to the middle. our db "blew his coverage" and left his guy "wide open". that's inexcusable. i couldn't see that from the single picture, but its "very clear" from the video... Did somebody say "5 wide"?!?! *Ding Ding Ding*
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 16:33:20 GMT -5
lol, i know that's your pet peeve!! To be clear, it's my pet peeve in that I want us to do it sometimes - Hunt, Banks, Lockhart, Cooke, & Burkhalter. Leslie could replace Lockhart, Cooke or Burkhalter when he returns...probably Cooke.
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 16, 2021 16:42:39 GMT -5
After looking at the 4th and 4 clip, a couple times, I don't believe they were playing man defense. The most inside receiver pulled Howard (LB) inside, Stuckey (8) went to the flat, 14 dropped into the deep third and Reams (20) had the deep middle. That left the middle receiver with an open spot where Howard might have had a chance to stop had he not been pulled inside by the innermost receiver.
What do we do in the case of 5 wide?
We could go man - Replace Howard with a DB and put him on the middle receiver that caught the pass and put Stuckey on the innermost receiver.
If we stay in zone, it would be a hard/lucky stop...even with replacing Howard with a DB.
The difficulty of handling 5-wide.
Let's do it!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2021 16:46:18 GMT -5
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Post by saabman on Sept 16, 2021 17:38:52 GMT -5
It appears that the whole left side of the secondary was confused on that play. No 14 is playing about 12 yards off the ball on 4th and 4. No. 8 (Stuckey) basically has to cover two receivers from getting a four yard gain: the slot receiver No. 5 and the X receiver at the top of the screen. No. 14 wouldn't be in position to stop anything but the deep ball. The entire scheme was ridiculous for this down and distance. it appears that our db’s and lb’s were in man coverage and “all” of our db’s and lb’s that were in man coverage were aligned 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. so in other words, i assume that our scheme dictated that our db’s and lb’s that were in man coverage “not allow” a catch at or beyond the first down marker because all of our db’s and lb’s that were in man coverage were aligned “at the first down marker”. so if that’s what the scheme dictated, then i can’t blame the scheme cuz “if properly executed”, it would’ve prevented a first down. but it appears that the scheme was not properly executed. personally, i would’ve liked to have seen both of our safties a tad bit “closer” to the line of scrimmage but i guess the coaches were concerned that duke might try to go over the top. i don’t have as much problem with our defensive alignment as i do with our “poor execution”. i understand the logic behind our alignment, it was very clear that our db’s and lb’s in coverage were to prevent a catch at or beyond the first down marker but we failed to execute properly due to a “blown coverage”. just my opinion. btw, thanks for providing that clip. it was very helpful in determining what went wrong... I keep saying it is not the scheme it proper execution of the scheme adjustments that should be made . The Coaches should have called Timeout and made adjustments when they saw the confusion . Again Communication or lack of it .
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 16, 2021 17:45:31 GMT -5
After looking at the 4th and 4 clip, a couple times, I don't believe they were playing man defense. The most inside receiver pulled Howard (LB) inside, Stuckey (8) went to the flat, 14 dropped into the deep third and Reams (20) had the deep middle. That left the middle receiver with an open spot where Howard might have had a chance to stop had he not been pulled inside by the innermost receiver. What do we do in the case of 5 wide? We could go man - Replace Howard with a DB and put him on the middle receiver that caught the pass and put Stuckey on the innermost receiver. If we stay in zone, it would be a hard/lucky stop...even with replacing Howard with a DB. The difficulty of handling 5-wide. Let's do it! #Periodically if they were in "zone", then i wholeheartedly agree with thrilla, it was a very "poor scheme" for a 4th and 4 situation. why would "any" defensive coordinator call for a "zone" defense in a 4th and 4 situation? you have to "tightly" defend 4 yards of turf, playing zone woulda been "ludicrous". zones are not intended to defend 4 yards of turf. however, i don't agree that we were playing zone in that situation (other than the 2 safeties) but your guess is as good as mine. i'll go back and take another look at it...
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Post by lobengula on Sept 16, 2021 17:48:44 GMT -5
I don't know the coverage either but, I know that ain't supposed to happen. And it's frustrating to see...maybe I'm being too critical but, it seems like they missed assignments should be at a minimum, they have had 2 years to understand the schemes that they run. All the practice and playing in a scheme /system cannot be effective without COMMUNICATION on the field between the players to make on field adjustments and relaying their information to the coaching staff about the different looks they are seeing . So that the staff can make adjustments on the fly . Go back and Rewatch the Duke game you can see them running the exact same routes over and over with adjustments being made to there Recievers positioning each time the offense lined up . But the defense never adjusted to counter Dukes moves , in other words we were Playing CHECKERS and Duke was playing CHESS. WE WERE OUT COACHED on the D-side of the ball . And yes you can say I'm SLAMMING the COACHING STAFF, I AM because A&T could have WON that game even being shorthanded. I agree Saabman one hundred on that problem too many faint hearted folk that do not believe in the team and the will to win. Duke was ripe for a butt kicking which is why they panic with the onside kick and our failure to adjust in this case we should havew gone no huddle to upset their set up.
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 16, 2021 18:02:01 GMT -5
After looking at the 4th and 4 clip, a couple times, I don't believe they were playing man defense. The most inside receiver pulled Howard (LB) inside, Stuckey (8) went to the flat, 14 dropped into the deep third and Reams (20) had the deep middle. That left the middle receiver with an open spot where Howard might have had a chance to stop had he not been pulled inside by the innermost receiver. What do we do in the case of 5 wide? We could go man - Replace Howard with a DB and put him on the middle receiver that caught the pass and put Stuckey on the innermost receiver. If we stay in zone, it would be a hard/lucky stop...even with replacing Howard with a DB. The difficulty of handling 5-wide. Let's do it! #Periodically if they were in "zone", then i wholeheartedly agree with thrilla, it was a very "poor scheme" for a 4th and 4 situation. why would "any" defensive coordinator call for a "zone" defense in a 4th and 4 situation? you have to "tightly" defend 4 yards of turf, playing zone woulda been "ludicrous". zones are not intended to defend 4 yards of turf. however, i don't agree that we were playing zone in that situation (other than the 2 safeties) but your guess is as good as mine. i'll go back and take another look at it... Why would a defensive coordinator have 4 DT and 3 LBs when they have 4 WR and a RB on the field that can catch? Our LB are better at stopping the run than defending the pass.
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Post by saabman on Sept 16, 2021 18:07:27 GMT -5
After looking at the 4th and 4 clip, a couple times, I don't believe they were playing man defense. The most inside receiver pulled Howard (LB) inside, Stuckey (8) went to the flat, 14 dropped into the deep third and Reams (20) had the deep middle. That left the middle receiver with an open spot where Howard might have had a chance to stop had he not been pulled inside by the innermost receiver. What do we do in the case of 5 wide? We could go man - Replace Howard with a DB and put him on the middle receiver that caught the pass and put Stuckey on the innermost receiver. If we stay in zone, it would be a hard/lucky stop...even with replacing Howard with a DB. The difficulty of handling 5-wide. Let's do it! #Periodically Run a 4-2-5 Nickel !!!
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Post by bseballaggie on Sept 16, 2021 18:21:29 GMT -5
How can you tell if they are communicating or not by looking at a still photo? DVR Thriller I have watched that game five times now and they continued to run that exact same play over and over only changing the TE's and Recievers positioning , sometimes in the slot with a TE , sometimes with a receiver and our defense made not one adjustment . That in my book is a COMMUNICATION'S BREAK DOWN . People do not realize that the safety is responsible for more the just stopping the deep pass. A good safety identifies any adjustments in the offensive formations and relays them to the other DB and LB's so that adjustments can be made . Hell he could have pointed that the reciever was uncovered COMMUNICATION my friend . The Safety is the QB of the defense. But Coach should have broke up their 2 min offense rhythm with a time out.
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Post by saabman on Sept 16, 2021 19:27:44 GMT -5
DVR Thriller I have watched that game five times now and they continued to run that exact same play over and over only changing the TE's and Recievers positioning , sometimes in the slot with a TE , sometimes with a receiver and our defense made not one adjustment . That in my book is a COMMUNICATION'S BREAK DOWN . People do not realize that the safety is responsible for more the just stopping the deep pass. A good safety identifies any adjustments in the offensive formations and relays them to the other DB and LB's so that adjustments can be made . Hell he could have pointed that the reciever was uncovered COMMUNICATION my friend . The Safety is the QB of the defense. But Coach should have broke up their 2 min offense rhythm with a time out. Please say it again BaseballAggie . And again COMMUNICATION to the LB and DB especially the Safety what adjustments to make .
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Post by saabman on Sept 16, 2021 19:34:22 GMT -5
How is that even possible? We had a full compliment of starters out there. We've played a full slate of games and even played in the spring and last fall. I mean this was a scrub d-2 warm up game we were playing. Oh, wait... In all honesty, you see blown coverages every week on every level of football. I watched NFL players running wide open on Sunday. They are human beings not robots. We make mistakes. But not the same one's over and over two weeks in a row and continually in one game. I can live with one mistake but Really HAZE We need to stop playing Checkers and start playing Chess on the sideline and the field of play . It's that simple or this is going to be a long inaugural season in the Big *****it .
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Post by outsidethinker on Sept 16, 2021 19:43:04 GMT -5
The Safety is the QB of the defense. But Coach should have broke up their 2 min offense rhythm with a time out. Please say it again BaseballAggie . And again COMMUNICATION to the LB and DB especially the Safety what adjustments to make . I thought Wilder shared the same sentiments in an earlier BDV podcast?
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 16, 2021 19:59:20 GMT -5
Please say it again BaseballAggie . And again COMMUNICATION to the LB and DB especially the Safety what adjustments to make . I thought Wilder shared the same sentiments in an earlier BDV podcast? I wasn’t going to say anything about that…
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