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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 16, 2021 9:17:57 GMT -5
Truth be told...I could live with this happening once, maybe even twice but, for this to happen all game long is just horrific. I mean you literally had people in the stands screaming, "Get on #5 in the slot!" and they still didn't do it. It was shameful...I guess I'm talking about coaching at this point. If I'm every other coach for the teams we have to play, that play will be inserted into my playbook the week they play us.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 16, 2021 10:02:28 GMT -5
We're rusty. Until we can knock the rust off and get into the thick of things there'll be problems. When we do knock the rust off and have a full compliment of planned starters I feel bad for the opponent.
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 16, 2021 10:20:14 GMT -5
Whew!
Lots of pontifications about who was supposed to be where, what scheme is being played, etc. etc. etc...without input from the coaches and KNOWING what's supposed to be happening.
That said, I guess that's what this board is about!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 10:55:58 GMT -5
Whew! Lots of pontifications about who was supposed to be where, what scheme is being played, etc. etc. etc...without input from the coaches and KNOWING what's supposed to be happening. That said, I guess that's what this board is about! I thought you knew this already? 🤣
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Post by saabman on Sept 16, 2021 11:31:39 GMT -5
Whew! Lots of pontifications about who was supposed to be where, what scheme is being played, etc. etc. etc...without input from the coaches and KNOWING what's supposed to be happening. That said, I guess that's what this board is about! My point A&T-Roy is this they look as if they are not VERBALLY COMMUNICATING. No planned scheme covers all the variables and Offense can produce , but players need to be able to Recognize and Verbalize Position Placement or Variations in the offensive and make Adjustments in coverage appropriately I do not see that happening with our guys in the first few games . Do we know if the Safety Verbalize the placement of the TE in the slot ,letting the LB know to reposition and look for an inside drag / shallow route release , maybe, maybe not . Did the LB hear him we don't know but the Optics look as if they are not communicating or on the same seat of music . Because even a High School safety or LB would have saw that 4yd route coming and would have protected and prevented that first down . Mel Grooms DB coach and Bo Lightening LB coach Always Stressed Communication . I don't see that happening right now . Oh welcome to the Terror Zone LOL .
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 16, 2021 12:44:07 GMT -5
that's clearly a "missed assignment", your safety shouldn't be solely responsible for covering a slot receiver or else, who's gonna cover the safety's responsibility which is to not let anything get behind him? duke had receivers "wide open" on a lot of plays. like i've said previously, our pass defense (all 11 players) needs a ton of work! since this is a bye week, maybe we can patch things up before we play the rest of our games... Well, based on this picture, it looked like everyone else was in good tight coverage but the safety. They literally beat us with that same play all night...no one was within 7 yards of the slot receiver when he caught the ball. Now, if you are saying the safety was supposed to play back and when the receiver catches the ball you come up and make a big hit on the receiver...okay. But, that didn't happen, the receiver caught the ball and had plenty of room to race to the endzone. And lastly, it's unacceptable because, we did not adjust to that route all night. Look at the score, it's tied and we never fixed the problem...that's just unacceptable. its really difficult to tell what scheme we're playing in this picture because i can only see 8 players. "it appears" that we're in man coverage, but typically you assign a "nickel db" or strong safety to a slot receiver rather than your free safety who's responsibility is to protect against the deep ball. however, if they're in "cover zero", then there's no help over the top by the free safety because everybody is in man coverage. in this picture, it "appears" (cuz i can't see everybody) that our free safety was positioned to help over the top rather than man coverage. that's why i say it "appears" to be a blown assignment because the slot was left wide open. "typically" a nickel db or strong safety covers the slot receiver but i don't see either in the picture. if we were in "cover zero", the dude who appears to be our fs should've been in "man coverage" which he clearly was not in. but again, we need to see all 11 players to have a better understanding of what defensive scheme we were playing on that particular play...
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Post by Maxell on Sept 16, 2021 13:04:34 GMT -5
Whew! Lots of pontifications about who was supposed to be where, what scheme is being played, etc. etc. etc...without input from the coaches and KNOWING what's supposed to be happening. That said, I guess that's what this board is about! Some of us know enough about football to know that this is NOT supposed to happen on 4th and 4, period. There are several things that should/could have happened and we are just talking about the possibilities. We don't need the coach's input to do that. It's our job to speculate. It's their job to eliminate the need for us to speculate by fixing this 10-year old problem. One that was covered up because we played against bad QBs most of the time. Well, the water has gone down and we can now see the rocks.
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 16, 2021 13:37:41 GMT -5
I don't know the coverage either but, I know that ain't supposed to happen. And it's frustrating to see...maybe I'm being too critical but, it seems like the missed assignments should be at a minimum, they have had 2 years to understand the schemes that they run.
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Post by saabman on Sept 16, 2021 13:50:06 GMT -5
I don't know the coverage either but, I know that ain't supposed to happen. And it's frustrating to see...maybe I'm being too critical but, it seems like they missed assignments should be at a minimum, they have had 2 years to understand the schemes that they run. All the practice and playing in a scheme /system cannot be effective without COMMUNICATION on the field between the players to make on field adjustments and relaying their information to the coaching staff about the different looks they are seeing . So that the staff can make adjustments on the fly . Go back and Rewatch the Duke game you can see them running the exact same routes over and over with adjustments being made to there Recievers positioning each time the offense lined up . But the defense never adjusted to counter Dukes moves , in other words we were Playing CHECKERS and Duke was playing CHESS. WE WERE OUT COACHED on the D-side of the ball . And yes you can say I'm SLAMMING the COACHING STAFF, I AM because A&T could have WON that game even being shorthanded.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2021 13:55:01 GMT -5
I don't know the coverage either but, I know that ain't supposed to happen. And it's frustrating to see...maybe I'm being too critical but, it seems like they missed assignments should be at a minimum, they have had 2 years to understand the schemes that they run. All the practice and playing in a system in the world cannot be effective without COMMUNICATION on the field . How can you tell if they are communicating or not by looking at a still photo?
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 16, 2021 14:17:03 GMT -5
All the practice and playing in a system in the world cannot be effective without COMMUNICATION on the field . How can you tell if they are communicating or not by looking at a still photo? Thrilla - That! Also, how can anybody know what was called, in terms of making sure the FS is deep enough to try to keep puke from going over the top because we had seen Cutcliffe do exactly that in that situation? Especially since we were playing with backup DBs. I've seen, participated in and know enough about sports to know that many times fans have no idea about what they're talking about without being on the inside on what's happening or being called...no matter how long they've been involved, participated, etc. Still fun to speculate!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2021 14:25:24 GMT -5
BTW: Here's the full sequence of plays that led to Duke's TD
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2021 14:27:50 GMT -5
Those are throws a high school JV quarterback could complete. We are making scrubs look like world beaters.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2021 14:31:48 GMT -5
We might have to start taking Stuckey off the field on passing downs. Sheesh.
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Post by saabman on Sept 16, 2021 14:32:28 GMT -5
All the practice and playing in a system in the world cannot be effective without COMMUNICATION on the field . How can you tell if they are communicating or not by looking at a still photo? DVR Thriller I have watched that game five times now and they continued to run that exact same play over and over only changing the TE's and Recievers positioning , sometimes in the slot with a TE , sometimes with a receiver and our defense made not one adjustment . That in my book is a COMMUNICATION'S BREAK DOWN . People do not realize that the safety is responsible for more the just stopping the deep pass. A good safety identifies any adjustments in the offensive formations and relays them to the other DB and LB's so that adjustments can be made . Hell he could have pointed that the reciever was uncovered COMMUNICATION my friend .
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