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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 16, 2021 14:53:07 GMT -5
BTW: Here's the full sequence of plays that led to Duke's TD ah ha!! your video clip "clearly" shows what the problem was. duke had an empty backfield and went "5 wide" on us. we had a defender assigned to all 5 receivers including a db assigned to the slot who caught the first down, but our db "blew his coverage"!! that's why our "safety" had to come up from his safety position to make the tackle cuz our db was somewhere trippin' out in "la, la land" after the slot receiver made his cut to the middle. our db "blew his coverage" and left his guy "wide open". that's inexcusable. i couldn't see that from the single picture, but its "very clear" from the video...
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 16, 2021 14:58:30 GMT -5
BTW: Here's the full sequence of plays that led to Duke's TD ah ha!! your video clip "clearly" shows what the problem was. duke had an empty backfield and went "5 wide" on us. we had a defender assigned to all 5 receivers including a db assigned to the slot who caught the first down, but our db "blew his coverage"!! that's why our "safety" had to come up from his safety position to make the tackle cuz our db was somewhere trippin' out in "la, la land" after the slot receiver made his cut to the middle. our db "blew his coverage" and left his guy "wide open". that's inexcusable. i couldn't see that from the single picture, but its "very clear" from the video... That's what I saw too. He was lined up properly, but for whatever reason ran over to the flats and left the receiver wide open. I don't know if he thought it was zone or what...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2021 15:02:20 GMT -5
It appears that the whole left side of the secondary was confused on that play. No 14 is playing about 12 yards off the ball on 4th and 4.
No. 8 (Stuckey) basically has to cover two receivers from getting a four yard gain: the slot receiver No. 5 and the X receiver at the top of the screen. No. 14 wouldn't be in position to stop anything but the deep ball.
The entire scheme was ridiculous for this down and distance.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 16, 2021 15:05:05 GMT -5
ah ha!! your video clip "clearly" shows what the problem was. duke had an empty backfield and went "5 wide" on us. we had a defender assigned to all 5 receivers including a db assigned to the slot who caught the first down, but our db "blew his coverage"!! that's why our "safety" had to come up from his safety position to make the tackle cuz our db was somewhere trippin' out in "la, la land" after the slot receiver made his cut to the middle. our db "blew his coverage" and left his guy "wide open". that's inexcusable. i couldn't see that from the single picture, but its "very clear" from the video... That's what I saw too. He was lined up properly, but for whatever reason ran over to the flats and left the receiver wide open. I don't know if he thought it was zone or what... yeah, that appears to be a "player error" rather than a scheme issue...
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 16, 2021 15:12:26 GMT -5
How is that even possible? We had a full compliment of starters out there. We've played a full slate of games and even played in the spring and last fall. I mean this was a scrub d-2 warm up game we were playing.
Oh, wait...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 16, 2021 15:24:21 GMT -5
It appears that the whole left side of the secondary was confused on that play. No 14 is playing about 12 yards off the ball on 4th and 4. No. 8 (Stuckey) basically has to cover two receivers from getting a four yard gain: the slot receiver No. 5 and the X receiver at the top of the screen. No. 14 wouldn't be in position to stop anything but the deep ball. The entire scheme was ridiculous for this down and distance. it appears that our db’s and lb’s were in man coverage and “all” of our db’s and lb’s that were in man coverage were aligned 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. so in other words, i assume that our scheme dictated that our db’s and lb’s that were in man coverage “not allow” a catch at or beyond the first down marker because all of our db’s and lb’s that were in man coverage were aligned “at the first down marker”. so if that’s what the scheme dictated, then i can’t blame the scheme cuz “if properly executed”, it would’ve prevented a first down. but it appears that the scheme was not properly executed. personally, i would’ve liked to have seen both of our safties a tad bit “closer” to the line of scrimmage but i guess the coaches were concerned that duke might try to go over the top. i don’t have as much problem with our defensive alignment as i do with our “poor execution”. i understand the logic behind our alignment, it was very clear that our db’s and lb’s in coverage were to prevent a catch at or beyond the first down marker but we failed to execute properly due to a “blown coverage”. just my opinion. btw, thanks for providing that clip. it was very helpful in determining what went wrong...
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 16, 2021 15:26:01 GMT -5
BTW: Here's the full sequence of plays that led to Duke's TD ah ha!! your video clip "clearly" shows what the problem was. duke had an empty backfield and went "5 wide" on us. we had a defender assigned to all 5 receivers including a db assigned to the slot who caught the first down, but our db "blew his coverage"!! that's why our "safety" had to come up from his safety position to make the tackle cuz our db was somewhere trippin' out in "la, la land" after the slot receiver made his cut to the middle. our db "blew his coverage" and left his guy "wide open". that's inexcusable. i couldn't see that from the single picture, but its "very clear" from the video... Did somebody say "5 wide"?!?!
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Post by bluehaze on Sept 16, 2021 15:29:40 GMT -5
How is that even possible? We had a full compliment of starters out there. We've played a full slate of games and even played in the spring and last fall. I mean this was a scrub d-2 warm up game we were playing. Oh, wait... In all honesty, you see blown coverages every week on every level of football. I watched NFL players running wide open on Sunday. They are human beings not robots. We make mistakes.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 16, 2021 15:34:49 GMT -5
How is that even possible? We had a full compliment of starters out there. We've played a full slate of games and even played in the spring and last fall. I mean this was a scrub d-2 warm up game we were playing. Oh, wait... i'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but that's exactly why i concur with coach broadway's thinking in playing a cupcake game to open the season. cupcake games give you an opportunity make these kinds of mistakes "without losing the game". thus, when reviewing the game film, our coaches would know what areas to cleanup before playing stiffer competition. in 2018, i was totally against our season opening games (jacksonville state and ecu) for that very reason, because it wouldn't give us an opportunity to iron out our kinks and give our backups real game playing experience before playing stiffer competition. but because we beat both jacksonville state and ecu that year (which i didn't think would happen), i decided to shud da hail up regarding this year's opening schedule. but now we're an 0-2 team which stinks. oh well, too late to take it back...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 16, 2021 15:35:42 GMT -5
ah ha!! your video clip "clearly" shows what the problem was. duke had an empty backfield and went "5 wide" on us. we had a defender assigned to all 5 receivers including a db assigned to the slot who caught the first down, but our db "blew his coverage"!! that's why our "safety" had to come up from his safety position to make the tackle cuz our db was somewhere trippin' out in "la, la land" after the slot receiver made his cut to the middle. our db "blew his coverage" and left his guy "wide open". that's inexcusable. i couldn't see that from the single picture, but its "very clear" from the video... Did somebody say "5 wide"?!?! lol, i know that's your pet peeve!!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2021 15:38:00 GMT -5
it appears that our db’s and lb’s were in man coverage and “all” of our db’s and lb’s that were in man coverage were aligned 4 yards off the line of scrimmage. Stuckey was not playing man. His first movement was to cover the flat because No. 14 had the deep half of the field.
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Post by DOOMS on Sept 16, 2021 15:41:35 GMT -5
How is that even possible? We had a full compliment of starters out there. We've played a full slate of games and even played in the spring and last fall. I mean this was a scrub d-2 warm up game we were playing. Oh, wait... i'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but that's exactly why i concur with coach broadway's thinking in playing a cupcake game to open the season. cupcake games give you an opportunity make these kinds of mistakes "without losing the game". thus, when reviewing the game film, our coaches would know what areas to cleanup before playing stiffer competition. in 2018, i was totally against our season opening games (jacksonville state and ecu) for that very reason, because it wouldn't give us an opportunity to iron out our kinks and give our backups real game playing experience before playing stiffer competition. but because we beat both jacksonville state and ecu that year (which i didn't think would happen), i decided to shud da hail up regarding this year's opening schedule. but now we're an 0-2 team which stinks. oh well, too late to take it back... The thing about '18 was we had a veteran team and hadn't been off for 600 plus days. It was also Jacksonville State's first game with a ballyhooed transfer qb and that kind of threw their rhythm off. The circumstances were far different this year. The crazy thing is in '18 we go shock the world two weeks in a row and then Morgan shocks us (again). In hindsight we totally all should've expected 0-2, especially coming off such a ridiculously long layoff with new players at key positions. 0-3 isn't out of the realm of possibility. Still a lot of ironing out left to do. Live and learn.
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 16, 2021 15:46:39 GMT -5
Did somebody say "5 wide"?!?! lol, i know that's your pet peeve!! To be clear, it's my pet peeve in that I want us to do it sometimes - Hunt, Banks, Lockhart, Cooke, & Burkhalter. Leslie could replace Lockhart, Cooke or Burkhalter when he returns...probably Cooke.
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Post by A&T-roy on Sept 16, 2021 15:48:52 GMT -5
i'm assuming you're being sarcastic, but that's exactly why i concur with coach broadway's thinking in playing a cupcake game to open the season. cupcake games give you an opportunity make these kinds of mistakes "without losing the game". thus, when reviewing the game film, our coaches would know what areas to cleanup before playing stiffer competition. in 2018, i was totally against our season opening games (jacksonville state and ecu) for that very reason, because it wouldn't give us an opportunity to iron out our kinks and give our backups real game playing experience before playing stiffer competition. but because we beat both jacksonville state and ecu that year (which i didn't think would happen), i decided to shud da hail up regarding this year's opening schedule. but now we're an 0-2 team which stinks. oh well, too late to take it back... The thing about '18 was we had a veteran team and hadn't been off for 600 plus days. It was also Jacksonville State's first game with a ballyhooed transfer qb and that kind of threw their rhythm off. The circumstances were far different this year. The crazy thing is in '18 we go shock the world two weeks in a row and then Morgan shocks us (again). In hindsight we totally all should've expected 0-2, especially coming off such a ridiculously long layoff with new players at key positions. 0-3 isn't out of the realm of possibility. Still a lot of ironing out left to do. Live and learn. 0-3 ain't out of the realm, but it AIN'T happening!
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Post by marchingband1969 on Sept 16, 2021 16:18:42 GMT -5
Blown coverage, lack of communication, poor scheme, bad coaching decision or lack of talent... Who knowns? But the good news is, 1. we played tough for nearly two quarters, 2. we got a nice appearance check and 3. we got plenty of tape to analyze what we did wrong. I hope we take the confidence we gained in the first half and the tapes of our mistakes and figure out a way to play better in our next game. If not, we may have to take the money we were paid and upgrade our talent next season.
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