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Post by marchingband1969 on Aug 6, 2021 11:36:46 GMT -5
We have good options on the bench. They just have not played We got a transfer from ECU who is extremely athletic but, to date, has more career interceptions than completed passes. We got a true freshman from Minnesota who has never taken a snap in a college game. We got a true freshman preferred walk-on from Greensboro who has never taken a snap in a college game. We got a QB/converted WR from Concord who has never taken a snap in a college game. Who else am I missing? Man, based on your list, we look awful thin at the QB position. If we have to start any of our freshman with no college game experience we are definitely struggling. But some freshmen can handle that pressure. Hope we don't have to find out this season.
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Post by crowntownaggie on Aug 6, 2021 12:57:10 GMT -5
I have to speak up for my 704 boys.
Ifedi is a good QB but his strength admittedly lies in his athletic ability rather than his ability to read a defense. He's not going to light anyone up through the air but he can make plays and win games in the right scheme, like when he was at Chambers (then Vance) I personally would like to see him at HB but that's not up to me.
Gilliam is more like what we have seen from Fowler, strong arm QB who plays more from the pocket. He played in a HS down here that hasn't had a JV in years and relied on a gimmick offense but I think he has the tools to be a good QB. He had a concussion this spring and didn't participate in physical activities so that have contributed to Hooker getting reps.
Competition breeds excellence and I think we have some talent between who was here and who we brought in, someone will step up and take control of the job. I understand the caution on Fowler but he showed flashes of being able to carry the torch that Carter took from Ranyard, Kylil's only start prior to 19 was a game vs Savannah State in 2018...ijs.
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Post by A&T-roy on Aug 6, 2021 13:01:08 GMT -5
I have to speak up for my 704 boys. Ifedi is a good QB but his strength admittedly lies in his athletic ability rather than his ability to read a defense. He's not going to light anyone up through the air but he can make plays and win games in the right scheme, like when he was at Chambers (then Vance) I personally would like to see him at HB but that's not up to me. Gilliam is more like what we have seen from Fowler, strong arm QB who plays more from the pocket. He played in a HS down here that hasn't had a JV in years and relied on a gimmick offense but I think he has the tools to be a good QB. He had a concussion this spring and didn't participate in physical activities so that have contributed to Hooker getting reps. Competition breeds excellence and I think we have some talent between who was here and who we brought in, someone will step up and take control of the job. I understand the caution on Fowler but he showed flashes of being able to carry the torch that Carter took from Ranyard, Kylil's only start prior to 19 was a game vs Savannah State in 2018...ijs. 704 in the house!
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Aug 6, 2021 14:48:07 GMT -5
Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 6, 2021 14:48:07 GMT -5
i think we recruited well, but i don't think we recruited well enough at the qb position. i mean, think about it? it took raynard a good "3 years" before the light came on. not to mention that he "started" several games as a sophomore and stunk the joint up, so coach rotated him with quick at the qb position.
so if raynard couldn't step onto the football field and "immediately" succeed even though he had a redshirt year and was a "part time" starter as a sophomore, then what gives folk the idea that fowler can do any better? sure, fowler previously saw some action in a few games 2 seasons ago, but no one "game planned" for him during those games which makes a "TON" of difference.
but now he will be "game planned" for by opposing defenses. they will breakdown all of his available video playing backup and determine his strengths and weaknesses, unlike teams in the past. and that's when you're gonna see a difference. as a first time starter with limited playing experience, expect opposing teams to "throw the kitchen sink" at him.
they will "blitz" him, they will "disguise" coverages on him, they will try to "confuse" him, and did i mention that they will "blitz" his azz? like i've said before, there's a big difference between catching a defense off guard as a backup versus having your picture on the "front cover" of each team's scouting report.
and btw, the raynard/carter combination was "the best" one two qb punch i've ever seen at a&t at the qb position. we're a long ways away from that now, especially if they moved wilds-lawing to wr...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 14:54:35 GMT -5
and btw, the raynard/carter combination was "the best" one two qb punch i've ever seen at a&t at the qb position. we're a long ways away from that now, especially if they moved wilds-lawing to wr... Wilds-Lawing wasn't moved to WR because of Fowler. Perhaps you're not giving Coach Washington and Barnette's ability to recruit QBs. We did beat out South Dakota State for a QB, you know? They could've used Yeager this spring season as their top-2 QBs suffered injuries and 1 tore an ACL in the playoffs, IIRC.
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Aug 6, 2021 15:04:36 GMT -5
Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 6, 2021 15:04:36 GMT -5
and btw, the raynard/carter combination was "the best" one two qb punch i've ever seen at a&t at the qb position. we're a long ways away from that now, especially if they moved wilds-lawing to wr... Wilds-Lawing wasn't moved to WR because of Fowler. Perhaps you're not giving Coach Washington and Barnette's ability to recruit QBs. We did beat out South Dakota State for a QB, you know? They could've used Yeager this spring season as their top-2 QBs suffered injuries and 1 tore an ACL in the playoffs, IIRC. who said wilds-lawing was moved to wr because of fowler? and i never even mentioned yeager...
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Post by The Professor on Aug 6, 2021 15:46:41 GMT -5
I have to speak up for my 704 boys. Ifedi is a good QB but his strength admittedly lies in his athletic ability rather than his ability to read a defense. He's not going to light anyone up through the air but he can make plays and win games in the right scheme, like when he was at Chambers (then Vance) I personally would like to see him at HB but that's not up to me. Gilliam is more like what we have seen from Fowler, strong arm QB who plays more from the pocket. He played in a HS down here that hasn't had a JV in years and relied on a gimmick offense but I think he has the tools to be a good QB. He had a concussion this spring and didn't participate in physical activities so that have contributed to Hooker getting reps. Competition breeds excellence and I think we have some talent between who was here and who we brought in, someone will step up and take control of the job. I understand the caution on Fowler but he showed flashes of being able to carry the torch that Carter took from Ranyard, Kylil's only start prior to 19 was a game vs Savannah State in 2018...ijs. Knew it had to be something. Gilliam has an arm. He will get some time in Blowouts
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Post by The Professor on Aug 6, 2021 15:47:20 GMT -5
The fact we are even having a QB debate is awesome. A&T hasn't had a great QB room in awhile
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Post by aggie94 on Aug 6, 2021 16:04:19 GMT -5
What in the WORLD are ya'll talking about?! Lamar Raynard broke a number of Alan Hooker's school records; mind you the best quarterback in our school's history. Raynard exits stage left and all Kylil Carter does is come in and lead us to a third straight Celebration Bowl Victory, accurate throughout the season and saving his best for last. Oh, and don't forget he was the one behind center when it mattered in the ECU game. Give Coach Barnette and the staff a bit more credit in coaching these guys up.
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Aug 6, 2021 16:04:36 GMT -5
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Post by aggies704 on Aug 6, 2021 16:04:36 GMT -5
The fact we are even having a QB debate is awesome. A&T hasn't had a great QB room in awhile It's up to Fowler early in camp to put any QB DEBATE to sleep.
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Aug 6, 2021 16:09:13 GMT -5
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Post by crowntownaggie on Aug 6, 2021 16:09:13 GMT -5
i think we recruited well, but i don't think we recruited well enough at the qb position. i mean, think about it? it took raynard a good "3 years" before the light came on. not to mention that he "started" several games as a sophomore and stunk the joint up, so coach rotated him with quick at the qb position. so if raynard couldn't step onto the football field and "immediately" succeed even though he had a redshirt year and was a "part time" starter as a sophomore, then what gives folk the idea that fowler can do any better? sure, fowler previously saw some action in a few games 2 seasons ago, but no one "game planned" for him during those games which makes a "TON" of difference. but now he will be "game planned" for by opposing defenses. they will breakdown all of his available video playing backup and determine his strengths and weaknesses, unlike teams in the past. and that's when you're gonna see a difference. as a first time starter with limited playing experience, expect opposing teams to "throw the kitchen sink" at him. they will "blitz" him, they will "disguise" coverages on him, they will try to "confuse" him, and did i mention that they will "blitz" his azz? like i've said before, there's a big difference between catching a defense off guard as a backup versus having your picture on the "front cover" of each team's scouting report. and btw, the raynard/carter combination was "the best" one two qb punch i've ever seen at a&t at the qb position. we're a long ways away from that now, especially if they moved wilds-lawing to wr... Carter and Fowler had an equal sample size going into their first year as starters, save Carter getting an actual start vs SSU. I'd argue Fowler was the better passer while Carter was just more of a playmaker, we saw some of that against FAMU iirc. Carter had stretches where he couldnt get a yard out of the offense and Fowler would come in and move the chains or score. The man earned this shot, how he handles it is on him.
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Post by crowntownaggie on Aug 6, 2021 16:20:15 GMT -5
Give Coach Barnette and the staff a bit more credit in coaching these guys up. This part.
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Aug 6, 2021 16:46:12 GMT -5
Post by oleschoolaggie on Aug 6, 2021 16:46:12 GMT -5
i think we recruited well, but i don't think we recruited well enough at the qb position. i mean, think about it? it took raynard a good "3 years" before the light came on. not to mention that he "started" several games as a sophomore and stunk the joint up, so coach rotated him with quick at the qb position. so if raynard couldn't step onto the football field and "immediately" succeed even though he had a redshirt year and was a "part time" starter as a sophomore, then what gives folk the idea that fowler can do any better? sure, fowler previously saw some action in a few games 2 seasons ago, but no one "game planned" for him during those games which makes a "TON" of difference. but now he will be "game planned" for by opposing defenses. they will breakdown all of his available video playing backup and determine his strengths and weaknesses, unlike teams in the past. and that's when you're gonna see a difference. as a first time starter with limited playing experience, expect opposing teams to "throw the kitchen sink" at him. they will "blitz" him, they will "disguise" coverages on him, they will try to "confuse" him, and did i mention that they will "blitz" his azz? like i've said before, there's a big difference between catching a defense off guard as a backup versus having your picture on the "front cover" of each team's scouting report. and btw, the raynard/carter combination was "the best" one two qb punch i've ever seen at a&t at the qb position. we're a long ways away from that now, especially if they moved wilds-lawing to wr... Carter and Fowler had an equal sample size going into their first year as starters, save Carter getting an actual start vs SSU. I'd argue Fowler was the better passer while Carter was just more of a playmaker, we saw some of that against FAMU iirc. Carter had stretches where he couldnt get a yard out of the offense and Fowler would come in and move the chains or score. The man earned this shot, how he handles it is on him. true, he earned the shot cuz nobody else on the team has anymore experience than he does. but let’s not equate carter’s experience prior to starting to fowler’s. as a backup, carter got a lot of his experience in “big games” (i.e., scsu, kent state, ecu) and “finished” those games except kent state due to an injury. fowler’s backup experience doesn’t equate to that. also as a backup, carter played in almost “every game”. not so for fowler, especially his freshman year when he hardly ever got off the bench and he played “sparingly” as a backup 2 seasons ago. fowler’s backup experience is nowhere remotely close to carter’s. also as you mentioned, carter played “an entire game” against ssu as a backup. fowler has “never” played an entire game in college. carter’s body of work as a backup, “far exceeded” fowler’s body of work as a backup. while i agree that fowler earned his shot to become the #1 qb, that doesn’t mean he’s gonna “out perform” those who came before him. i’ll be happy if he proves me wrong, but we’ll just have to wait and see...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 18:44:11 GMT -5
What in the WORLD are ya'll talking about?! Lamar Raynard broke a number of Alan Hooker's school records; mind you the best quarterback in our school's history. Raynard exits stage left and all Kylil Carter does is come in and lead us to a third straight Celebration Bowl Victory, accurate throughout the season and saving his best for last. Oh, and don't forget he was the one behind center when it mattered in the ECU game. Give Coach Barnette and the staff a bit more credit in coaching these guys up. You're new around here which means you've missed the unfortunate debates regarding Raynard and Carter.
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Aug 6, 2021 21:03:07 GMT -5
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Post by thewinner on Aug 6, 2021 21:03:07 GMT -5
The fact we are even having a QB debate is awesome. A&T hasn't had a great QB room in awhile Do you mean pre - Lamar Raynard, Quick, And Carter? Because that was a great room
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