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Post by humbleaggie919 on Sept 24, 2020 9:39:49 GMT -5
What does this post mean to you? That the contract for the Celebration will be extended maybe? Of course it won’t matter to us and I’m fine with that unlike some of you other members but this is what I get from it .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 9:52:05 GMT -5
I keep telling y'all to not be surprised if A&T, Hampton, and Tennessee State get opportunities to play in the game under the next contract. the MEAC lost all leverage once A&T, FAMU, and BCU left for other conferences.
1. ESPN owns the game and media rights. They can adjust the groundwork of the games without approval from either conference. 2. ESPN wants the game to crown the HBCU national champion. Last year's stunts by FAMU showed a glaring flaw in the previous inclination of the game. 3. The SWAC will have 12 teams in 2 divisions. This takes away potential matchups in the Celebration Bowl that can draw in viewers which what they need.
There's no guarantee that people want to watch a game with most of the remaining MEAC teams other than Howard and SC state. A&T, Tennessee State, and even Hampton could draw in more viewers and sell more tickets than Delaware State, Morgan State, Norfolk State, and perhaps even SC State. Bringing in the non-MEAC/SWAC HBCUs gives ESPN a cushion to ensure themselves they get marquee HBCU matchups.
At the end of the day, it's a Business.
So get over yourselves and completely understand that this move is not out of the realm of possibilities
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 24, 2020 10:02:28 GMT -5
the meac "did not" lose leverage. espn "cannot" promote the cb as an hbcu "national championship" bowl game if the meac does not participate. so if the meac withdraws or espn takes the meac's autobid to the cb, the cb will lose its "appeal" and "luster" as an hbcu championship game.
hampton has been in the bsc for the last 2 years and tsu has been in the ovc since long before the cb was created, yet there's been "zero" efforts to involve hampton and tsu in the cb over the last 2 years. so basically you're saying, just because a&t pulled out of the meac that now the espn will "force" the meac to give up its "autobid" to the cb so that a&t can be invited?
guess what? AIN'T GONE HAPPEN!! man, some of ya'll ego's are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the charts...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 10:05:58 GMT -5
the meac "did not" lose leverage. espn "cannot" promote the cb as an hbcu "national championship" bowl game if the meac does not participate. so if the meac withdraws or espn takes the meac's autobid to the cb, the cb will lose its "appeal" and "luster" as an hbcu championship game. hampton has been in the bsc for the last 2 years and tsu has been in the ovc since long before the cb was created, yet there's been "zero" efforts to involve hampton and tsu in the cb over the last 2 years. so basically you're saying, just because a&t pulled out of the meac that now the espn will "force" the meac to give up its "autobid" to the cb so that a&t can be invited? guess what? AIN'T GONE HAPPEN!! man, some of ya'll ego's are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off the charts... Don't be surprised if it does.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 24, 2020 10:10:31 GMT -5
1. ESPN owns the game and media rights. They can adjust the groundwork of the games without approval from either conference. How do you figure that? Have you seen any language in the contract that would suggest ESPN could make a unilateral decision to just exclude either the MEAC or SWAC conference, in lieu of a non-conference team? The MEAC and SWAC both help to promote this event all year round. Why would they agree to be potentially left out at the last minute just so a popular non-conference team could take their spot and payday? Also, you are forgetting the one biggest issue: the scheduling conflict with the FCS playoffs. If A&T, Hampton and TSU are members of conferences that have automatic bids to the FCS playoffs, then that would make them all unable to accept an invitation to play in the Celebration Bowl. The Celebration Bowl only came into existence once the MEAC gave up its bid. The Big South and OVC aint doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 10:17:49 GMT -5
1. ESPN owns the game and media rights. They can adjust the groundwork of the games without approval from either conference. How do you figure that? Have you seen any language in the contract that would suggest ESPN could make a unilateral decision to just exclude either the MEAC or SWAC conference, in lieu of a non-conference team? The MEAC and SWAC both help to promote this event all year round. Why would they agree to be potentially left out at the last minute just so a popular non-conference team could take their spot and payday? Also, you are forgetting the one biggest issue: the scheduling conflict with the FCS playoffs. If A&T, Hampton and TSU are members of conferences that have automatic bid to the FCS playoffs, then that would make them all unable to accept a bid to play in the Celebration Bowl. The Celebration Bowl only came into existence once the MEAC gave up its bid. The Big South and OVC aint doing that. Automatic Bid, yes; At-Large, it's an opening. I guarantee you we'd think long and hard between bidding well 5,6-figures for a first-round game Thanksgiving weekend or accepting a Celebration Invite. There are 0 guarantees Any of us outside of the MEAC will earn an auto bid or top-8 FCS Playoffs Seed. Thanksgiving Weekend games are also all but guaranteed to lose money for us. So it's definitely a possibility.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 24, 2020 10:28:09 GMT -5
Once again, you are acting like A&T is an independent. We are full members of the Big South. We have to abide by their bylaws now.
They want their member institutions to participate in the FCS playoffs. End of story.
Do you really think our fellow Big South conference members would approve of two rouge schools being able to get postseason exposure and revenue-generating opportunities that the other Big South schools couldn't?
Man please. There would be so many cries of reverse racism it would make your head spin.
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 24, 2020 11:07:29 GMT -5
Once again, you are acting like A&T is an independent. We are full members of the Big South. We have to abide by their bylaws now. They want their member institutions to participate in the FCS playoffs. End of story. Do you really think our fellow Big South conference members would approve of two rouge schools being able to get postseason exposure and revenue-generating opportunities that the other Big South schools couldn't? Man please. There would be so many cries of reverse racism it would make your head spin. If the Big South Office got a piece of the pie like the MEAC office does maybe they would approve it. People said there wouldnt be a BCS playoff and it happened so never say never. People said there would never be a black president too.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 24, 2020 11:19:18 GMT -5
ya'll need to stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. ya'll wanted the bsc, so take the bsc just as you so dearly wanted to and leave the cb alone. you no longer have any rights to the cb.
as the ole saying goes, "folk don't appreciate what they have until they don't have it anymore". you're experiencing a very classic case of "buyer's remorse"...
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 24, 2020 11:22:56 GMT -5
ya'll need to stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. ya'll wanted the bsc, so take the bsc just as you so dearly wanted to and leave the cb alone. you no longer have any rights to the cb. as the ole saying goes, "folk don't appreciate what they have until they don't have it anymore". you're experiencing a very classic case of "buyer's remorse"... There is no buyers remorse...not one bit of remorse...more like jubilation. Furthermore, A&T can have cake and eat it too along with ice cream, soda, fried fish and whatever they want.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 24, 2020 11:25:23 GMT -5
Think about what you are suggesting: - The Celebration Bowl takes a third place Big South team over the MEAC champion?
- The FCS playoff committee awards a second-placed A&T team an at-large bid, puts them in the official bracket and gives them a game date and time, but suddenly A&T leaves them high and dry and decides to play in the CB instead?
- The MEAC promotes the Celebration Bowl on its various platforms all year long, but at the last minute they get left out because the CB wants to select a non-champion from the OVC or Big South?
- Campbell University and Coastal Carolina narrowly miss out on the FCS playoffs, but they are cool with Hampton or A&T getting a chance to play a nationally televised postseason game for nearly a million dollars?
Which of those above scenarios seem remotely plausible to you?
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 24, 2020 11:27:46 GMT -5
If Campbell or Kennesaw State joined the MEAC would they be eligible for the Celebration Bowl? Would they be crowned HBCU National Champion if they won vs #1 ranked Jackson State?
Better yet would the HBCU polls even rank them since they arent a HBCU?
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 24, 2020 11:32:37 GMT -5
Think about what you are suggesting: - The Celebration Bowl takes a third place Big South team over the MEAC champion?
- The FCS playoff committee awards a second-placed A&T team an at-large bid, puts them in the official bracket and gives them a game date and time, but suddenly A&T leaves them high and dry and decides to play in the CB instead?
- The MEAC promotes the Celebration Bowl on its various platforms all year long, but at the last minute they get left out because the CB wants to select a non-champion from the OVC or Big South?
- Campbell University and Coastal Carolina narrowly miss out on the FCS playoffs, but they are cool with Hampton or A&T getting a chance to play a nationally televised postseason game for nearly a million dollars?
Which of those above scenarios seem remotely plausible to you? ESPN promotes the game as a true HBCU national championship. The Second place BS team "Hampton" which is ranked #1 or #2 in the HBCU polls get the invite to CB versus competing in the playoffs. The BS gets a cut of the Celebration Bowl pot and has commercials on tv promoting their conference.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 24, 2020 11:34:48 GMT -5
If Campbell or Kennesaw State joined the MEAC would they be eligible for the Celebration Bowl? Would they be crowned HBCU National Champion if they won vs #1 ranked Jackson State? Better yet would the HBCU polls even rank them since they arent a HBCU? 1) Yes. The Celebration Bowl is just a made-for-TV event between the SWAC and MEAC champion. 2) The would be crowned HBCU National Champion by the MEAC and SWAC because that is what those conferences agreed to call the winner of the Celebration Bowl. However the voters would probably select an HBCU as the HBCU national champion.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 24, 2020 11:44:21 GMT -5
ESPN promotes the game as a true HBCU national championship. The Second place BS team "Hampton" which is ranked #1 or #2 in the HBCU polls get the invite to CB versus competing in the playoffs. The BS gets a cut of the Celebration Bowl pot and has commercials on tv promoting their conference. So every second placed Big South team has a chance to earn a Celebration Bowl invite ... or just the black schools? You see where that could be problematic?
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