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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 24, 2020 12:02:47 GMT -5
And can you imagine the MEAC champion not getting an automatic bid to the FCS playoffs ... and not getting an invite to the Celebration Bowl?
This coming after the MEAC champion has won 4 of the previous 5 Celebration Bowls?
Do you know how much holy hell they would raise?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:06:46 GMT -5
Think about what you are suggesting: - The Celebration Bowl takes a third place Big South team over the MEAC champion?
- The FCS playoff committee awards a second-placed A&T team an at-large bid, puts them in the official bracket and gives them a game date and time, but suddenly A&T leaves them high and dry and decides to play in the CB instead?
- The MEAC promotes the Celebration Bowl on its various platforms all year long, but at the last minute they get left out because the CB wants to select a non-champion from the OVC or Big South?
- Campbell University and Coastal Carolina narrowly miss out on the FCS playoffs, but they are cool with Hampton or A&T getting a chance to play a nationally televised postseason game for nearly a million dollars?
Which of those above scenarios seem remotely plausible to you? Please explain what kind of leverage the MEAC has when it comes to this game, please? |
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 24, 2020 12:08:57 GMT -5
ESPN promotes the game as a true HBCU national championship. The Second place BS team "Hampton" which is ranked #1 or #2 in the HBCU polls get the invite to CB versus competing in the playoffs. The BS gets a cut of the Celebration Bowl pot and has commercials on tv promoting their conference. So every second placed Big South team has a chance to earn a Celebration Bowl invite ... or just the black schools? You see where that could be problematic? I get your point👍🏾 |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 24, 2020 12:13:32 GMT -5
Please explain what kind of leverage the MEAC has when it comes to this game, please? Their participation. That is the leverage. The MEAC could just say "we are no longer participating in this event - which was created as a game between the MEAC and SWAC champions - unless we get assurances that we will always have a seat at the table." The MEAC gave up its automatic playoff bid for the CB. The MEAC gives free, year-round promotion on all its platforms for the CB. The MEAC has helped to legitimize and strengthen the brand of the CB. Unless the Celebration Bowl just wants to become the official SWAC championship game, they need the MEAC just as much as the MEAC needs them. |
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Post by aggie2039 on Sept 24, 2020 12:20:26 GMT -5
Please explain what kind of leverage the MEAC has when it comes to this game, please? Their participation. That is the leverage. The MEAC could just say "we are no longer participating in this event - which was created as a game between the MEAC and SWAC champions - unless we get assurances that we will always have a seat at the table." The MEAC gave up its automatic playoff bid for the CB. The MEAC gives free, year-round promotion on all its platforms for the CB. The MEAC has helped to legitimize and strengthen the brand of the CB. Unless the Celebration Bowl just wants to become the official SWAC championship game, they need the MEAC just as much as the MEAC needs them. I’m sure ESPN didn’t pitch this idea, they could probably care less about renewing this game. Every year more and more games creep up into the CB time slot. SWAC and MEAC need ESPN, it’s not the other way around |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 24, 2020 12:24:16 GMT -5
ya'll need to stop trying to have your cake and eat it too. ya'll wanted the bsc, so take the bsc just as you so dearly wanted to and leave the cb alone. you no longer have any rights to the cb. as the ole saying goes, "folk don't appreciate what they have until they don't have it anymore". you're experiencing a very classic case of "buyer's remorse"... There is no buyers remorse...not one bit of remorse...more like jubilation. Furthermore, A&T can have cake and eat it too along with ice cream, soda, fried fish and whatever they want. if true, then forget about the cb because a&t "will not" be playing in it if it is renewed. nor will hampton or tsu... |
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Post by Maxell on Sept 24, 2020 12:24:38 GMT -5
It's all really a marketing issue for ESPN. They can market it as the clash of HBCU D-I conference champions, but will have trouble marketing it as the HBCU National Championship game with three schools not eligible and A&T winning 4 of 5. I think it will still draw viewers as a SWAC/MEAC championship. No real need for the national championship moniker. Or you can treat it like youth football with several "national championships" played around the country.
ESPN will do what gets more eyeballs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:26:02 GMT -5
Please explain what kind of leverage the MEAC has when it comes to this game, please? Their participation. That is the leverage. The MEAC could just say "we are no longer participating in this event - which was created as a game between the MEAC and SWAC champions - unless we get assurances that we will always have a seat at the table." The MEAC gave up its automatic playoff bid for the CB. The MEAC gives free, year-round promotion on all its platforms for the CB. The MEAC has helped to legitimize and strengthen the brand of the CB. Unless the Celebration Bowl just wants to become the official SWAC championship game, they need the MEAC just as much as the MEAC needs them. If the MEAC walks away, where are they going to supplement the income from the game, especially the team that represents the MEAC? |
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Post by Maxell on Sept 24, 2020 12:26:05 GMT -5
Every year more and more games creep up into the CB time slot. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 24, 2020 12:26:26 GMT -5
I’m sure ESPN didn’t pitch this idea, they could probably care less about renewing this game. Every year more and more games creep up into the CB time slot. SWAC and MEAC need ESPN, it’s not the other way around ESPN absolutely pitched the idea of the Celebration Bowl. It was their brainchild. Jay Walker played a big role behind the scenes in getting the deal done. The MEAC presidents had to be convinced to give up their automatic playoff bid in order to make the Celebration Bowl happen. You dont have a Celebration Bowl without MEAC sacrifices. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 24, 2020 12:30:09 GMT -5
Think about what you are suggesting: - The Celebration Bowl takes a third place Big South team over the MEAC champion?
- The FCS playoff committee awards a second-placed A&T team an at-large bid, puts them in the official bracket and gives them a game date and time, but suddenly A&T leaves them high and dry and decides to play in the CB instead?
- The MEAC promotes the Celebration Bowl on its various platforms all year long, but at the last minute they get left out because the CB wants to select a non-champion from the OVC or Big South?
- Campbell University and Coastal Carolina narrowly miss out on the FCS playoffs, but they are cool with Hampton or A&T getting a chance to play a nationally televised postseason game for nearly a million dollars?
Which of those above scenarios seem remotely plausible to you? Please explain what kind of leverage the MEAC has when it comes to this game, please? i promise you, no meac, no celebration bowl as we currently know it to be, PERIOD. the meac would be "foolish" to give up its autobid to the fcs playoffs without a "guarantee" that its champion will get an autobid to the cb. matter fact, its "foolish" in and of itself to even think that the meac would go for that... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:31:33 GMT -5
It's all really a marketing issue for ESPN. They can market it as the clash of HBCU D-I conference champions, but will have trouble marketing it as the HBCU National Championship game with three schools not eligible and A&T winning 4 of 5. I think it will still draw viewers as a SWAC/MEAC championship. No real need for the national championship moniker. Or you can treat it like youth football with several "national championships" played around the country. ESPN will do what gets more eyeballs. I believe what hurt the "HBCU National Championship" marketing was FAMU. We beat FAMU last year, all of this is mute. However, FAMU's 9-2 record - and a Pick-6 away from 10-1 - leads to publications naming and acknowledging FAMU as the national champ, totally ignoring the Celebration Bowl winner. Yes, it was a publication that is lead by a FAMU grad naming them as a BCF National Champ. However, Donal Ware came out and said he would've gladly had FAMU as the top HBCU in 2019 if they beat Bethune-Cookman, ignoring Alcorn or A&T. I guarantee you that if A&T, Hampton, or Tennessee State goes 10-1, wins their conference and a playoff game or two, they'll potentially trump any Celebration Bowl winner from carrying that title solo. This is not out of the realm of possibility either as Tennessee State won part of the title when they last made it to the playoffs and won a first-round game. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:32:44 GMT -5
Please explain what kind of leverage the MEAC has when it comes to this game, please? i promise you, no meac, no celebration bowl as currently known, PERIOD. the meac would "foolish" to give up its autobid to the fcs playoffs without a "guarantee" that its champion will get an autobid to the cb. its "foolish" in and of itself to even think that the meac would go for that... Think about what you're saying and think about who the commissioner of the conference for just a second. The same commissioner that's been pushing to give up the Auto bid since the SCG was created. He almost had the Legacy Bowl back in 2010 for christ sakes. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:39:22 GMT -5
I’m sure ESPN didn’t pitch this idea, they could probably care less about renewing this game. Every year more and more games creep up into the CB time slot. SWAC and MEAC need ESPN, it’s not the other way around ESPN absolutely pitched the idea of the Celebration Bowl. It was their brainchild. Jay Walker played a big role behind the scenes in getting the deal done. The MEAC presidents had to be convinced to give up their automatic playoff bid in order to make the Celebration Bowl happen. You dont have a Celebration Bowl without MEAC sacrifices. You mean to tell me that resource-strapped schools are gonna just walk away from a 20K-30K check for an auto-bid where they would lose money? The only schools that really care about the playoffs won't be in the MEAC and trust me if ESPN comes knocking and they have to decide between a bowl game check and losing money on the playoffs as an at-large, don't think for a second they won't take the ESPN offer. It's ESPN's game and they make the rules. I guarantee you that the commissioner isn't going to tell the presidents not to take the deal however it's formed. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 24, 2020 12:45:34 GMT -5
i promise you, no meac, no celebration bowl as currently known, PERIOD. the meac would "foolish" to give up its autobid to the fcs playoffs without a "guarantee" that its champion will get an autobid to the cb. its "foolish" in and of itself to even think that the meac would go for that... Think about what you're saying and think about who the commissioner of the conference for just a second. The same commissioner that's been pushing to give up the Auto bid since the SCG was created. He almost had the Legacy Bowl back in 2010 for christ sakes. |
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