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Post by aggierattler on Oct 13, 2020 11:10:34 GMT -5
If the MEAC champ gets beat by avg and below avg teams from other conferences then being MEAC dominate means nothing. S.C. State has done a decent job in OOC games over the years when their talent is there...like last season.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 13, 2020 11:23:00 GMT -5
If the MEAC champ gets beat by avg and below avg teams from other conferences then being MEAC dominate means nothing. S.C. State has done a decent job in OOC games over the years when their talent is there...like last season.That is 2 school out of 6
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2020 11:25:30 GMT -5
scsu almost beat us as well as famu last season, both of those games could've gone either way. and let's not forget, we "shared" the meac title with scsu last year. buddy has now got scsu "back on track", they are not to be under estimated...
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 13, 2020 11:41:29 GMT -5
S.C. State has done a decent job in OOC games over the years when their talent is there...like last season. That is 1 school out of 6
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 13, 2020 11:53:13 GMT -5
Other than Wofford, Steat probably hasn't beaten a team of note with a winning record since the early 80s.
But then neither has any other hbcu for the most part 'cept us, FAM and Tennessee State. Us recently, FAM in the 2000s, and Tenn State in the late 90s.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2020 11:57:46 GMT -5
in terms of football fanbase of the remaining meac schools, "by far" i'd rank scsu #1, then nccu #2, and nsu #3. but nsu would leapfrog nccu to become #2 if they had a winning program. as for the northern schools (howard, msu, dsu), kinda difficult to maintain a strong fanbase on a consistent basis without having a consistently strong winning program given the mid to late season "weather" factor of those locations...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2020 12:59:44 GMT -5
Other than Wofford, Steat probably hasn't beaten a team of note with a winning record since the early 80s. But then neither has any other hbcu for the most part 'cept us actually, other than jsu, "none" of the pwc's we've beaten during the broadway/washington era has had "winning records", not even elon. we've beaten elon 4 games in a row but "none" of those 4 seasons did elon have a winning record. and, we can also go right down the list of pwc's we've beaten during the broadway/washington era and "none" of them (other than jsu) had winning records. not elon, not charleston southern, not ecu, not charlotte, not app state, and not kent state. my "personal opinion" is that a lot of aggies "over react" to our wins over those pwc schools (all but 1 had "losing records") solely because they're pwc's. that's why a lot of those very same aggies think we're ready to go to the "fbs level". it is not based on the same merits as an app state or odu who both had very good success in the fcs playoffs before they bolted to the fbs level. and regarding scsu, they have had wins over wofford, furman, and georgia state (twice) over the last 10 to 15 years. and they've also had "very close" losses (td or less) to coastal carolina and app state in the fcs playoffs...
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 13, 2020 13:15:27 GMT -5
Other than Wofford, Steat probably hasn't beaten a team of note with a winning record since the early 80s. But then neither has any other hbcu for the most part 'cept us actually, other than jsu, "none" of the pwc's we've beaten during the broadway/washington era has had "winning records", not even elon. we've beaten elon 4 games in a row but "none" of those 4 seasons did elon have a winning record. and, we can also go right down the list of pwc's we've beaten during the broadway/washington era and "none" of them (other than jsu) had winning records. not elon, not charleston southern, not ecu, not charlotte, not app state, and not kent state. my "personal opinion" is that a lot of aggies "over react" to our wins over those pwc schools (all but 1 had "losing records") solely because they're pwc's. that's why a lot of those very same aggies think we're ready to go to the "fbs level". it is not based on the same merits as an app state or odu who both had very good success in the fcs playoffs before they bolted to the fbs level. and regarding scsu, they have had wins over wofford, furman, and georgia state (twice) over the last 10 to 15 years. and they've also had "very close" losses (td or less) to coastal carolina and app state in the fcs playoffs... I'm in full agreement there. I'm the main one on the forum who's pooh-poohed our victories over pwcs in the past and said "watch them end the year with a losing record." I was in total shock when JSU actually made the playoffs after we beat them. Not sure what FBS has to do with this conversation. Hopefully we can remove it from this thread and and save it for any of the other threads where you crowbarred your dislike of the idea we may be considering FBS. As quoted above, I said Somebody ain't read it because nary a one of them schools ended their season with a winning record the year Steat beat them. And a close loss is like almost getting some. You still a virgin. As far as the CB, it's probably dead soon. I blame the MEAC, us, and the SWAC. But going in we knew Hampton and us voted against the CB so we weren't going to stick around for it but so long. Once we left if the SWAC was interested in keeping the bowl viable they should've left FAMU and BCU alone. A mega conference against a mini-conference ain't gone work.
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Post by trues on Oct 14, 2020 15:11:33 GMT -5
[quote A mega conference against a mini-conference ain't gone work. I agree the celebration is dead you just dont have enough top schools to compete with the SWAC anymore. That by in large reduces viewership when that happen it hard to get any worthy sponsors.
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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 15, 2020 11:18:27 GMT -5
But, wasn't Elon ranked at the time we beat them last season? I know it was the first game in all but, they were ranked weren't they...? Also, I wouldn't diminish our recent success against PWIs because, when you look at the numbers as a whole...HBCUs just have not faired well against PWIs, good or bad!
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Post by A&T-roy on Oct 15, 2020 11:46:01 GMT -5
[quote A mega conference against a mini-conference ain't gone work. I agree the celebration is dead you just dont have enough top schools to compete with the SWAC anymore. That by in large reduces viewership when that happen it hard to get any worthy sponsors. Based on last year and some prognostications for this year/Fall 2021, SCSU and NSU should have some pretty good teams. That said, ain't nobody us, so the SWAC might win some more CB's.
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Post by A&T-roy on Oct 15, 2020 11:47:26 GMT -5
But, wasn't Elon ranked at the time we beat them last season? I know it was the first game in all but, they were ranked weren't they...? Also, I wouldn't diminish our recent success against PWIs because, when you look at the numbers as a whole...HBCUs just have not faired well against PWIs, good or bad! Yep, elon was ranked one position behind us...21 or 22. We're, far, running the show against pwi's in the last 5 yrs or so.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 15, 2020 12:05:57 GMT -5
I agree the celebration is dead you just dont have enough top schools to compete with the SWAC anymore. That by in large reduces viewership when that happen it hard to get any worthy sponsors. Based on last year and some prognostications for this year/Fall 2021, SCSU and NSU should have some pretty good teams. That said, ain't nobody us, so the SWAC might win some more CB's. I don’t think NSU will have a good team, people say that every year and it never happens. They need to fire their coach but won’t because they are content and don’t want to spend the money required to be winners. NSU is a basketball school
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Post by Aggie E on Oct 15, 2020 12:35:43 GMT -5
Based on last year and some prognostications for this year/Fall 2021, SCSU and NSU should have some pretty good teams. That said, ain't nobody us, so the SWAC might win some more CB's. I don’t think NSU will have a good team, people say that every year and it never happens. They need to fire their coach but won’t because they are content and don’t want to spend the money required to be winners. NSU is a basketball school All true, but NSU has a new AD, Melody Webb. I’d be surprised if things change much on the football field for them this season, but moving forward you may see some progress in Norfolk. Their alumni support should be energized since Marty Miller has been reassigned. Don’t matter to us regardless, we’ll be in the Big South next fall.
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Post by aggierattler on Oct 15, 2020 12:45:03 GMT -5
Based on last year and some prognostications for this year/Fall 2021, SCSU and NSU should have some pretty good teams. That said, ain't nobody us, so the SWAC might win some more CB's. I don’t think NSU will have a good team, people say that every year and it never happens. They need to fire their coach but won’t because they are content and don’t want to spend the money required to be winners. NSU is a basketball school ...but we used to be known mainly as a "basketball school," too. That's why CIAAers were pissed when we (along with Morgan State and NCCU) left to form the MEAC. They said that all of us were basketball schools. But things can evolve.
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