oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 17, 2020 9:45:14 GMT -5
This debate and discussion is a microcosm of our country as a whole today. Which all could have been avoided if our incompetent/ignorant president had taken this virus seriously. But, yet here we are...we are a little better off as for as "Lessons learned" as it relates to Covid-19 but, as far as prevention, cure or a vaccine we are still behind the eight-ball. In the end as it relates to all sports: if the reward outweighs the risks then move ahead because, you definitely CAN. Thrilla, you may be right, I am naive because, I have not seen where the reward is that great we just have to take a chance. Testing protocols, social distancing and masks are good but, I just don't see them as full-proof. If our student-athletes catch the virus, what's the treatment plan? ?? We don't have one except have them quarantine for 14 days...THAT's IT! Basically, get away from the rest of us because you are contaminated! That's all we have as a country for a treatment plan if we catch the virus, man give me a break. Maybe I take it a little more serious than some of you because, I lost a first cousin on April 15th who spent her last 10 days on this earth alone in a hospital, only to die. Not only that, "WE" don't have to deliver that type of bad news to any parent so...sorry, it's just not worth it. ohsix, sorry for your loss. but i would argue that there's just as much "risk" (if not more risk) of contracting covid-19 if "you're not" playing college football as a student athlete. most college teams/players are very closely monitored, they're tested 3 or 4 times per week. the big 10 is testing their players "every day" and have very stringent protocols in place. i mean, i would agree with those of you who fear terrible outcomes if there were not adequate precautions put in place. but that's not the case. under the current covid-19 protocols, college football players are "better protected" from covid than the general public and the general student body...
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Post by Freeze on Sept 17, 2020 10:32:37 GMT -5
Does a cloth (non surgical) mask effectively protect you from the corona virus? Stop being obtuse (Thanks Tyler). This is not a medical grade hazmat suit we are talking about here, but wearing a helmet, gloves and face visor during this pandemic is better than wearing nothing. Does a helmet, visor, or shoulder pad cover your mouth?? I must've missed that evolutionary step in football equipment. My bad. You do know how this virus is transferred from one human being to the next right? And there are grade levels for mask coverings. A cloth mask that has not been layered offers you less protection than one that has been layered or one that is surgical grade. And last I checked, newsprint media was not infused with massive amounts of funding to help them stem the tide during the pandemic. I feel bad for anybody who has lost their job or their source of income during the pandemic but don't conflate the two in order to justify playing football this fall. Most HBCUs will be fine for the year if we don't play football....especially A&T. So again...just say you desperately want to see A&T football this fall. We get it. And bruh...you and I are NOT in a debate. LOL.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 17, 2020 10:50:38 GMT -5
It's not that I want to desperately see A&T football this fall. It that's the players all want to play A&T football this fall. The coaches all want to coach A&T football this fall. The administrators want to administrate A&T football this fall. The support staff wants to support A&T football this fall. The grounds and facility crew want to manage the stadium for A&T football this fall.
What I dont understand is why you somehow feel you have this moral and intellectual authority to prevent people from doing what they clearly want to do. They have gotten clearance from medical experts. They have gotten clearance from local government officials.
And trust me: the fans and alumni will want to follow and support A&T football this fall. Even Legion of Gloomers like yourself, Aggierattler and ohsixrain will sit here and gripe on social media all week but turn around and secretly watch every game A&T played this fall.
So why even keep up the charade? Why continue the hypocrisy?
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Post by Freeze on Sept 17, 2020 11:12:53 GMT -5
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 17, 2020 11:22:55 GMT -5
I think our hypocrisy is even worse than our ignorance.
That is where the problems lie.
We need honest, realistic solutions if we hope to survive this pandemic.
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 17, 2020 12:54:01 GMT -5
I'm just stuck at a treatment plan once one has contracted the virus. Sending someone to quarantine for 14 days alone is the only treatment plan I've heard unless I missed something. You guys make valid points about the protection and I'm cool with that. But, football players where protective equipment all the time but, injuries still happen and we have a trainer right there on the spot to tend to the injury. But, if one contracts the virus, there is next to nothing for treatment. To me that's the disturbing part of it all.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 17, 2020 13:00:50 GMT -5
I'm just stuck at a treatment plan once one has contracted the virus. Sending someone to quarantine for 14 days alone is the only treatment plan I've heard unless I missed something. You guys make valid points about the protection and I'm cool with that. But, football players where protective equipment all the time but, injuries still happen and we have a trainer right there on the spot to tend to the injury. But, if one contracts the virus, there is next to nothing for treatment. To me that's the disturbing part of it all. what should be more disturbing is that football players have a better chance of contracting covid by "not playing" football than playing football. the general student body is at "higher risk" than the football players...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 17, 2020 13:05:16 GMT -5
I'm just stuck at a treatment plan once one has contracted the virus. Sending someone to quarantine for 14 days alone is the only treatment plan I've heard unless I missed something. You guys make valid points about the protection and I'm cool with that. But, football players where protective equipment all the time but, injuries still happen and we have a trainer right there on the spot to tend to the injury. But, if one contracts the virus, there is next to nothing for treatment. To me that's the disturbing part of it all. Is there some other treatment plan for COVID that you would suggest at this point? That is a serious question. Not trying to be facetious. To my understanding, unless you have to be hospitalized and placed on a ventilator, the best thing to do after testing positive is to isolate yourself in quarantine and let your body heal itself. Thankfully, the vast, overwhelming majority of people who test positive for COVID are asymptomatic or experience only mild symptoms that don't require a treatment plan. I say that not just for college football players, but for the entire global population. Once again: this pandemic presents a health risk. However, I dont believe that playing college football significantly increases that risk.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 17, 2020 13:30:21 GMT -5
And let me state the opposite to that:
NOT playing college football doesn't significantly REDUCE the risk of getting COVID.
The majority of people on college campuses who have tested positive for COVID are not student athletes. They are regular co-eds and faculty members who dont have a season to worry about.
Student athletes are some of the most protected people on the planet during this pandemic. They have more frequent testing and have to follow more stringent safety guidelines.
If you are on a college campus, the safest place for you to be right now is in somebody's football program.
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 17, 2020 14:05:06 GMT -5
I'm just stuck at a treatment plan once one has contracted the virus. Sending someone to quarantine for 14 days alone is the only treatment plan I've heard unless I missed something. You guys make valid points about the protection and I'm cool with that. But, football players where protective equipment all the time but, injuries still happen and we have a trainer right there on the spot to tend to the injury. But, if one contracts the virus, there is next to nothing for treatment. To me that's the disturbing part of it all. Is there some other treatment plan for COVID that you would suggest at this point? That is a serious question. Not trying to be facetious. To my understanding, unless you have to be hospitalized and placed on a ventilator, the best thing to do after testing positive is to isolate yourself in quarantine and let your body heal itself. Thankfully, the vast, overwhelming majority of people who test positive for COVID are asymptomatic or experience only mild symptoms that don't require a treatment plan. I say that not just for college football players, but for the entire global population. Once again: this pandemic presents a health risk. However, I dont believe that playing college football significantly increases that risk. What kind of question is that to pose to me? That's the issue...there is no treatment and quarantine isn't much of one either if you ask me. Like I said, that just means, get away from us because you are contaminated. We can agree to disagree with no love loss...
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 17, 2020 14:14:36 GMT -5
No, I agree with you. That is not much of a treatment plan. But my point is most people on campus who test positive for COVID dont require a treatment plan. So far at A&T there has been 54 confirmed cases. www.ncat.edu/coronavirus/confirmed-cases.phpTo my best knowledge, nobody has required any treatment.
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 17, 2020 19:50:05 GMT -5
Thrilla, you throw out comparisons between athletes and everyday ordinary people which is somewhat unfair. Because, you talk about one contracting the virus in the grocery store before a football player would/could. Well, to me the difference is the ordinary person HAS to eat. Saying someone can catch the virus by carrying out the necessities of life is not a true comparison because, our student-athletes don't HAVE to play, it's not a bare necessity.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 17, 2020 20:08:11 GMT -5
Thrilla, you throw out comparisons between athletes and everyday ordinary people which is somewhat unfair. Because, you talk about one contracting the virus in the grocery store before a football player would/could. Well, to me the difference is the ordinary person HAS to eat. Saying someone can catch the virus by carrying out the necessities of life is not a true comparison because, our student-athletes don't HAVE to play, it's not a bare necessity. but i agree with thrilla in that regard. it ain't a matter of whether you have to take the risk or not. the point being is that you and i stand as much of a chance to contract the virus at the grocery store or drug store as a college football player...
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Post by Freeze on Sept 17, 2020 22:46:21 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/2020/09/17/health/coronavirus-testing-cdc.htmlThis reminds me of an episode from The Wire called "Juking the Stats." Baltimore police essentially "cooking the books," changing the data, shifting the narrative so it fits their argument. Police do it. Politicians do it. And if you think for a second that the folks who want to keep their billion dollar industries running in spite of massive human casualties (with no end in sight) won't do it too, then you're a pawn on their board. Don't be a pawn.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Sept 18, 2020 1:10:35 GMT -5
Thrilla, you throw out comparisons between athletes and everyday ordinary people which is somewhat unfair. Because, you talk about one contracting the virus in the grocery store before a football player would/could. Well, to me the difference is the ordinary person HAS to eat. Saying someone can catch the virus by carrying out the necessities of life is not a true comparison because, our student-athletes don't HAVE to play, it's not a bare necessity. Why is the game between unc-c and unc-ch cancelled this Saturday? Is Covid-19 the culprit?
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