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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 16, 2020 16:02:59 GMT -5
This debate and discussion is a microcosm of our country as a whole today. Which all could have been avoided if our incompetent/ignorant president had taken this virus seriously. But, yet here we are...we are a little better off as for as "Lessons learned" as it relates to Covid-19 but, as far as prevention, cure or a vaccine we are still behind the eight-ball. In the end as it relates to all sports: if the reward outweighs the risks then move ahead because, you definitely CAN. Thrilla, you may be right, I am naive because, I have not seen where the reward is that great we just have to take a chance. Testing protocols, social distancing and masks are good but, I just don't see them as full-proof. If our student-athletes catch the virus, what's the treatment plan? ?? We don't have one except have them quarantine for 14 days...THAT's IT! Basically, get away from the rest of us because you are contaminated! That's all we have as a country for a treatment plan if we catch the virus, man give me a break. Maybe I take it a little more serious than some of you because, I lost a first cousin on April 15th who spent her last 10 days on this earth alone in a hospital, only to die. Not only that, "WE" don't have to deliver that type of bad news to any parent so...sorry, it's just not worth it.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2020 16:13:13 GMT -5
Sorry for your loss. This is a terrible disease.
We have to find a way to live and operate in the midst of this global pandemic until it goes away.
Putting safety protocols in place and social distancing will help us do that. Closing down all industries and cancelling all sports is not a feasible solution.
Just like you quitting your job is not a feasible solution to solve this problem.
We have to figure out a way to make it work.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 17:03:56 GMT -5
Sorry for your loss. This is a terrible disease. We have to find a way to live and operate in the midst of this global pandemic until it goes away. Putting safety protocols in place and social distancing will help us do that. Closing down all industries and cancelling all sports is not a feasible solution. Just like you quitting your job is not a feasible solution to solve this problem. We have to figure out a way to make it work. Increased government intervention on the fed, local and state level is what’s needed. But you know... Freedom.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2020 19:25:59 GMT -5
More people who are being forced to play sports in a pandemic against their will. We've gotta do something about this.
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 16, 2020 20:10:36 GMT -5
Truthfully, I understand not being stagnated in all of this but, I just think we shouldn't allow our impatience to get the better of us. In the end, we all want the same thing for our school's athletics. But to understand most of these deaths could've been avoided is uncomprehensible. Our president failed us and he owes us at a minimum a treatment plan which we don't have.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2020 22:11:23 GMT -5
The president owes the American people his resignation. Full stop.
Obviously he does not care about solving this heath crisis. I realized that from day one. That is why I always knew that waiting on federal help prior to Nov. 4 was a lost cause. We have to come up with our own protocols and strategies to best navigate this unprecedented ordeal.
Yes, this pandemic should have been managed better. Yes, countless number of people have died because of the incompetence of our government. But you and me quitting our jobs and getting evicted from our homes is not going to help matters. Neither is asking our university to shut down the entire athletic department and making the majority of those employees get laid off or furloughed.
You talking about what the president should do and Freeze talking about the innate sins of capitalism is not going to change our current reality. Shutting down all industries and cancelling all sport seasons is not the answer.
We need practical solutions during these troubling times. I am a pragmatist. I am trying to make the best out of a bad situation.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 16, 2020 22:36:31 GMT -5
BTW: The Pac 12 is about to begin playing next month. The democratic governors from California and Oregon both gave the green light tonight.
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Post by lobengula on Sept 17, 2020 4:05:13 GMT -5
I see where Ohio State is playing with safety protocols in place to monitor hearts of the athletes during the season. then the Presidents of two HBCUs revealed that they took the vaccine indicating that we need to be in on the process despite the reality of the Tuskegee Study. I am not in favor of dismissing the science which is why until this Plandamit has run its course we should all proceed intelligently. I do not believe that a vaccine is or will be available in the foreseeable future. Then too the presstitutes are not being candid with the people including Bernstein nor Fauci. Why is HIV strands are in this virus for which there is no vaccine for HIV. It is clear to me that we the people have been abandoned by this the leadership of this government. The failure to shut the country down as well as to provide financial aid to the people rather than to the corporations such as Boeing, Kodak is a disgrace. Basically this is a repeat of the events of 2008. Finally it is reported that the Bikers event in South Dakota is responsible for 250,000+ new outbreaks.
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Post by lobengula on Sept 17, 2020 4:12:07 GMT -5
More people who are being forced to play sports in a pandemic against their will. We've gotta do something about this. This is sad have these students parents been advised, have they signed waivers or have the University provided them with a Term Life Insurance Policy with an attached Rider in the event of COVID illness? I do not like this at all nobody it appears is wearing a mask no social distancing. Here again think we have lost our collective minds.
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Post by ohsixrain on Sept 17, 2020 7:54:50 GMT -5
The president owes the American people his resignation. Full stop. Obviously he does not care about solving this heath crisis. I realized that from day one. That is why I always knew that waiting on federal help prior to Nov. 4 was a lost cause. We have to come up with our own protocols and strategies to best navigate this unprecedented ordeal. Yes, this pandemic should have been managed better. Yes, countless number of people have died because of the incompetence of our government. But you and me quitting our jobs and getting evicted from our homes is not going to help matters. Neither is asking our university to shut down the entire athletic department and making the majority of those employees get laid off or furloughed. You talking about what the president should do and Freeze talking about the innate sins of capitalism is not going to change our current reality. Shutting down all industries and cancelling all sport seasons is not the answer. We need practical solutions during these troubling times. I am a pragmatist. I am trying to make the best out of a bad situation. I agree with you but, in sports they have treatments for most if not all sports injuries. There is no such treatment for this virus and to be frank, it's more than a gamble to send student-athletes out to play knowing this, in my opinion. They stand to lose more than just a game or two or a season; they could lose their life. For me, that's enough.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 17, 2020 8:12:34 GMT -5
They could lose there lives going to the grocery store.
That is probably the central point in our philosophical disagreement here.
We both believe that this pandemic presents a major health risk. However, I dont believe that playing college football significantly increases that risk.
The risk of playing college football is about the same risk as spending 45 minutes wandering through the aisles of Harris Teeter.
However, unlike Harris Teeter, everyone around you in college football is being constantly tested for the virus and in college football you are wearing far more PPE (helmet, visors, gloves, shoulder pads, etc.).
Hell, it could be argued that college football players are actually more protected during this pandemic than the majority of Americans. How many people in your neighborhood do you know have the access to weekly COVID testing and are required to constantly follow stringent safety protocols?
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Post by Freeze on Sept 17, 2020 9:08:19 GMT -5
and in college football you are wearing far more PPE (helmet, visors, gloves, shoulder pads, etc.). Wait....did you just refer to shoulder pads, visors, and helmets as PPE that can effectively protect you from the corona virus?? Bruh...you need to stop.
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Post by Freeze on Sept 17, 2020 9:14:58 GMT -5
But you and me quitting our jobs and getting evicted from our homes is not going to help matters. Neither is asking our university to shut down the entire athletic department and making the majority of those employees get laid off or furloughed. You really need to stop trying to conflate these two points. It's disingenuous at best and disgustingly selfish at its worst. A&T just recorded its highest enrollment ever. A&T (and other HBCUs) have received millions of dollars in funding directly attached to pandemic support. A&T nor its athletic department will fold or be forced to have massive layoffs if we didn't play football for one year in the middle of a pandemic. At this point, just say you really want to see Aggie football and leave it at that.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 17, 2020 9:20:43 GMT -5
Does a cloth (non surgical) mask effectively protect you from the corona virus?
Stop being obtuse (Thanks Tyler). This is not a medical grade hazmat suit we are talking about here, but wearing a helmet, gloves and face visor during this pandemic is better than wearing nothing.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Sept 17, 2020 9:27:31 GMT -5
But you and me quitting our jobs and getting evicted from our homes is not going to help matters. Neither is asking our university to shut down the entire athletic department and making the majority of those employees get laid off or furloughed. You really need to stop trying to conflate these two points. It's disingenuous at best and disgustingly selfish at its worst. A&T just recorded its highest enrollment ever. A&T (and other HBCUs) have received millions of dollars in funding directly attached to pandemic support. A&T nor its athletic department will fold or be forced to have massive layoffs if we didn't play football for one year in the middle of a pandemic. At this point, just say you really want to see Aggie football and leave it at that. Freeze, do I really need to post all the articles of numerous athletic department around the county already announcing mass layoffs and shutting down non-revenue sports? Do I really need to post articles of how the local newspapers here just had mass layoffs and most of the sportswriters like Jeff Mills and Ed Hardin (who I quoted earlier in this thread) just lost their jobs yesterday? Is that really necessary ... or are you just playing dumb now to try to win a debate?
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