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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 0:00:07 GMT -5
The ones that have been exposed as frauds wouldnt like the move... The opinions of those outside of volleyball arent relevant honestly, football and volleyball are the only sports that have played a complete season. I didn't say you would value their opinion. I am just giving you an idea of the information I have gathered from talking to a number of employees and athletes.
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 12, 2021 0:03:25 GMT -5
I didn't say you would value their opinion. I am just giving you an idea of the information I have gathered from talking to a number of employees and athletes. I understand, Im just saying how can they have an opinion if they haven't played in the conference yet? They have no experience to compare it to...its all emotion at that point.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 0:04:40 GMT -5
We could, but we were successful without having to improve the infrastructure. Now it’s rather apparent that won’t continue unless we make some upgrades. A few good a$$ whuppings we haven’t taken in the MEAC in years should spur improvements. I pray that is not what motivates our leadership. If so, that is pretty reactionary. We should be constantly looking for ways to elevate our university and athletic department, regardless of current wins and losses.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 12, 2021 0:06:44 GMT -5
Me too, but I’d rather something motivated them than nothing.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 0:18:31 GMT -5
I didn't say you would value their opinion. I am just giving you an idea of the information I have gathered from talking to a number of employees and athletes. I understand, Im just saying how can they have an opinion if they haven't played in the conference yet? Sir, you formed your opinion that this was a good move as soon Hilton ended his first press conference. You didn't wait until we completed the entire 2021-22 athletic season. Other people have formed their own opinions about the move with similar confidence.
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 12, 2021 0:26:10 GMT -5
I understand, Im just saying how can they have an opinion if they haven't played in the conference yet? Sir, you formed your opinion that this was a good move as soon Hilton ended his first press conference. You didn't wait until we completed the entire 2021-22 athletic season. Other people have formed their own opinions about the move with similar confidence. My opinion on whether this is a good move is based on saving time and money, not how I feel. Im not tied to either conference, don't care if the BS or MEAC doesn't exist next year.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 0:33:05 GMT -5
Your opinion is exactly how you feel. Those are just the main things about the move that you value the most. There could be some potential benefits with staying in the MEAC that you may not place much value in. That is your subjective bias.
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 12, 2021 0:36:47 GMT -5
That is exactly how you feel. Those are just the main things about the move that you value the most. There could be some potential benefits with staying in the MEAC that you may not place much value in. That is your subjective bias. Numbers aren't subjective Business and personal decisions are based on numbers, there is no bias. FAMU made an objective decision driven by numbers to justify their move... Numbers are not subjective, the facts are the facts
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 0:49:07 GMT -5
Accepting numbers that have not happened yet is definitely a form of bias.
There has been no definitive data concerning this conference move. Everything we have seen to date has just been powerpoint hopes and projections.
You personally chose to believe those projected numbers because you want to support this move. That is your right.
However, we don't have any concrete evidence of actual budget savings to base our opinions on because they haven't happened yet.
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 12, 2021 0:51:24 GMT -5
Accepting numbers that have not happened yet is definitely a form of bias. There has been no definitive data concerning this conference move. Everything we have seen to date has just been powerpoint hopes and projections. You personally chose to believe those projected numbers because you want to support this move. That is your right. However, we don't have any concrete evidence of actual travel cost savings to base our opinions on because they haven't happened yet. So the FAMU presentation wasn’t concrete evidence because it hadn’t happened? Geography and distance change over time from city to city?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 0:54:51 GMT -5
I have no idea what FAMU presented. You would need to reach out to them after this season to see if the actual data matched their projections.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 0:58:09 GMT -5
And honestly, unless FAMU presented a study about the A&T athletic department I dont see how it would be pertinent to this discussion.
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 12, 2021 1:00:43 GMT -5
And honestly, unless FAMU presented a study about the A&T athletic department I dont see how it would be pertinent to this discussion. Travel time from Greensboro to the respective cities or towns the schools are in, its not subjective. Money is saved on travel and time away from Greensboro is reduced. Coppin State 5:15 UMES 5:51 Norfolk State 3:45 SC State 3:23 Howard 4:38 Morgan 5:15 NCCU 0:53 Del State 6:14 Charleston South 4:22 USC Upstate 2:33 Gwebb 3:00 Cambell 1:30 High point u 0:20 Radford 2:09 Longwood 2:23 UNC Asheville 2:38 Winthrop 1:49 Hampton 3:58
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 1:02:05 GMT -5
Once again, those are the things about the move that you value the most. There could be some potential benefits with staying in the MEAC that you may not place much value in. That is your subjective bias.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 1:08:31 GMT -5
For instance, we would probably save a similar amount of money on travel costs if we moved from the MEAC to the CIAA.
But for obvious reasons, there would be some potential benefits from staying in the MEAC over the CIAA other than travel costs.
Thus, travel savings alone would not be the sole reason to change conferences.
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