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Post by aggieblackie2 on Dec 12, 2021 1:11:50 GMT -5
The conference change was a bad move because of tradition and heritage. A&T playing in the BS is like trying to put a square block in a round circle.
Our great BGMM doesn't even look right or comfortable performing in those small a$$ high school stadiums with less than 5,000 fans in attendance.
I don't give a damn about the deal with espn+ or other supposedly perks from being in this Bull sheeet Conference.
We are going to lose our identity in the HBCU community and become irrelevant- Fast, Quick and a Hurry by changing over to this conference.
What happened to our Aggie Pride? They let it go by being suckered into fools gold and forgetting about our heritage and tradition.
Winning a national championship with the coaches that we have in basketball and football is far fetched. Actually impossible.
I don't see A&T putting out the necessary funds and make the right decisions on hiring coaches to be successful in winning in this conference.
Therefore. I think the move to the "BS" was a bad move. Keeping our HBCU identity and playing before our own will give us more recognition and keep us relevant than playing Campbell, GW, Charleston and the other BS teams.
Don't want to attend 3/4 empty stadiums and Club Corbett because of the teams in the "BS".
Aggie Pride got Bambuzzled in athletics.
The Thrill Is Gone!!
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 12, 2021 1:13:14 GMT -5
For instance, we would probably save a similar amount of money on travel costs if we moved from the MEAC to the CIAA. But for obvious reasons, there would be some potential benefits from staying in the MEAC over the CIAA other than travel costs. Thus, travel savings alone would not be the sole reason to change conferences. I get it but numbers would be used to justify the move not how people feel.
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Post by aggie2039 on Dec 12, 2021 1:18:58 GMT -5
The conference change was a bad move because of tradition and heritage. A&T playing in the BS is like trying to put a square block in a round circle. Our great BGMM doesn't even look right or comfortable performing in those small a$$ high school stadiums with less than 5,000 fans in attendance. I don't give a damn about the deal with espn+ or other supposedly perks from being in this Bull sheeet Conference. We are going to lose our identity in the HBCU community and become irrelevant- Fast, Quick and a Hurry by changing over to this conference. What happened to our Aggie Pride? They let it go by being suckered into fools gold and forgetting about our heritage and tradition. Winning a national championship with the coaches that we have in basketball and football is far fetched. Actually impossible. I don't see A&T putting out the necessary funds and make the right decisions on hiring coaches to be successful in winning in this conference. Therefore. I think the move to the "BS" was a bad move. Keeping our HBCU identity and playing before our own will give us more recognition and keep us relevant than playing Campbell, GW, Charleston and the other BS teams. Don't want to attend 3/4 empty stadiums and Club Corbett because of the teams in the "BS". Aggie Pride got Bambuzzled in athletics. The Thrill Is Gone!! The HBCU identity means what exactly and looks like what? So a school can’t be a HBCU outside of a HBCU conference? How many people does the bgmm play in front of at Morgan state and Del state? How big is Howard’s stadium? Do they still have porta John’s for people to use the bathroom? Recognition with whom? So yiu want to stay in a little black box on the east side of Greensboro with black friends because you feel comfortable. The world is bigger than a HBCU conf and the sooner people figure that out the better. Just like HBCUs and the MEAC are irrelevant to the rest of America and the world? There are more black kids at UNCG than every HBCU in NC except A&T and NCCU. The majority of black people care less about HBCUs and whether their kids attend one. They want them to get the best education possible with the best chance of them getting a job.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 12, 2021 1:23:57 GMT -5
Every decision is based on how people feel. It just depends on what you value.
If you act on a certain set of numbers, that is because you think they are valuable.
If you ignore a certain set of numbers, that is because you do not value them.
If you act on less empirical data - like what some may view as heritage or tradition - then that is because you think those things are valuable.
If you are not swayed by heritage or tradition, that is because you may not value them that much as you do numbers.
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Post by aggieblackie2 on Dec 12, 2021 8:34:54 GMT -5
2039 I answered the questions the way I see it not what you believe. Evidently you have a different perception from mine and we both are not completely wrong.
Losing our heritage and tradition by changing to a predominantly white conference is my opinion why it was a baaad move.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 9:31:30 GMT -5
Every decision is based on how people feel. It just depends on what you value. If you act on a certain set of numbers, that is because you think they are valuable. If you ignore a certain set of numbers, that is because you do not value them. If you act on less empirical data - like what some may view as heritage or tradition - then that is because you think those things are valuable. If you are not swayed by heritage or tradition, that is because you may not value them that much as you do numbers. Either way, the school made its decision and money has been paid in an exit fee to the MEAC and an entrance fee to the Big South. Any other move will require the same thing. The ship has sailed. Perhaps in the next 5 years, it can be revisited but it won’t be anytime soon.
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Post by DOOMS on Dec 12, 2021 11:00:54 GMT -5
Isn’t the title of the thread what about the conference change would make you say it was a bad move? At this point I guess only people who thought it was a good move or were 50/50 even need answer. And since the question asks for a personal opinion then the answer should contain opinions.
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Post by saabman on Dec 13, 2021 10:53:43 GMT -5
For me it was a bad move because of the way it was rolled out. With that being said . It was bad because our Coaches had no time to properly evaluate develop and enhance there overall Coaching Schemes. Going into a Conference where Coaching Strategies Preparation and Execution is Paramount and coming from a Conference where Coaching is secondary to pure athletic Talent is a big learning curve if you do not know how to fully prepare your game strategies and make adjustments on the Fly . Also the revenue drop off to Chase a FCS Playoff dream in a FCS system that has clearly shown that teams lose more revenue then they take in , is not a wise business move period , unless your name is D. Drump . Like it are not athletic internal institutional survival is about Revenue production in Athletics Revenue or Non-revenue and the Big S***it or the FCS playoffs will not produce the revenue that is required to keep A&T's athletic department afloat or move it forward without placing the Pressure/ Burden on the backs of the Students with Higher Activity Fees which are already Higher than most FCS Programs. You can ask TSU . Hell at most games A&T fans out numbered there Opponents Fans in there own stadiums with the favor not being returned boosting their game-day revenue with our fans. Martin is close to retirement and may not be around when the draining begins, like he was not around when WSSU Athletic Department hit that funding Brick-wall. Is A&T going to waste all that Money from Fund-raising by alumni only to see it slowly 🐌 Trickled Away also . Gentleman I saw that happen at WT (WTA&M now) having to move down from the Missouri Valley Conference to the D2 Lonestar conference only to disband there Football program temporarily until their funding source was replenished with the help of Texas A and M for Football . In 5 years this conversation may or could be Revisited . Not a Bad move but a Boneheaded bad move.
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Post by Maxell on Dec 13, 2021 11:09:51 GMT -5
It would be a bad move if our revenue generating programs have losing seasons next year and fan interest declines to levels less than this year. I don't expect either thing to happen, but they would certainly make it a bad move regardless of the controversial financials.
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Post by saabman on Dec 13, 2021 14:20:22 GMT -5
For me it was a bad move because of the way it was rolled out. With that being said . It was bad because our Coaches had no time to properly evaluate develop and enhance there overall Coaching Schemes. Going into a Conference where Coaching Strategies Preparation and Execution is Paramount and coming from a Conference where Coaching is secondary to pure athletic Talent is a big learning curve if you do not know how to fully prepare your game strategies and make adjustments on the Fly . Also the revenue drop off to Chase a FCS Playoff dream in a FCS system that has clearly shown that teams lose more revenue then they take in , is not a wise business move period , unless your name is D. Drump . Like it are not athletic internal institutional survival is about Revenue production in Athletics Revenue or Non-revenue and the Big S***it or the FCS playoffs will not produce the revenue that is required to keep A&T's athletic department afloat or move it forward without placing the Pressure/ Burden on the backs of the Students with Higher Activity Fees which are already Higher than most FCS Programs. You can ask TSU . Hell at most games A&T fans out numbered there Opponents Fans in there own stadiums with the favor not being returned boosting their game-day revenue with our fans. Martin is close to retirement and may not be around when the draining begins, like he was not around when WSSU Athletic Department hit that funding Brick-wall. Is A&T going to waste all that Money from Fund-raising by alumni only to see it slowly 🐌 Trickled Away also . Gentleman I saw that happen at WT (WTA&M now) having to move down from the Missouri Valley Conference to the D2 Lonestar conference only to disband there Football program temporarily until their funding source was replenished with the help of Texas A and M for Football . In 5 years this conversation may or could be Revisited . Not a Bad move but a Boneheaded bad move.
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Post by saabman on Dec 13, 2021 14:39:18 GMT -5
It would be a bad move if our revenue generating programs have losing seasons next year and fan interest declines to levels less than this year. I don't expect either thing to happen, but they would certainly make it a bad move regardless of the controversial financials. Was there any type of survey or fan and alumni base inquiries to find out how they felt about moving to The Big S***it conference . That would gauge their interest and playing the teams in the conference but also knowing that they would still have their HBCU connections . And please don't give me that if would have done that we would have never made the move and still in the MEAC BS . It would have given A&T a gauge of Interest from their fan base because most of our fans have no interest in seeing Gardner-Webb and little interest in Hampton or the other teams in this conference , and losing didn't help any . I have no major worries with the semi Revenue and non-revenue sports because most of their levels fan participation will not change but football is a whole different animal . Basketball would be okay because of the Flash and Dash . Football has a steep hill to climb to get paying fans in the seats revenue-wise but there is always the option of money out of conference games .
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Post by Maxell on Dec 13, 2021 14:59:13 GMT -5
For me it was a bad move because of the way it was rolled out. With that being said . It was bad because our Coaches had no time to properly evaluate develop and enhance there overall Coaching Schemes. Going into a Conference where Coaching Strategies Preparation and Execution is Paramount and coming from a Conference where Coaching is secondary to pure athletic Talent is a big learning curve if you do not know how to fully prepare your game strategies and make adjustments on the Fly . Also the revenue drop off to Chase a FCS Playoff dream in a FCS system that has clearly shown that teams lose more revenue then they take in , is not a wise business move period , unless your name is D. Drump . Like it are not athletic internal institutional survival is about Revenue production in Athletics Revenue or Non-revenue and the Big S***it or the FCS playoffs will not produce the revenue that is required to keep A&T's athletic department afloat or move it forward without placing the Pressure/ Burden on the backs of the Students with Higher Activity Fees which are already Higher than most FCS Programs. You can ask TSU . Hell at most games A&T fans out numbered there Opponents Fans in there own stadiums with the favor not being returned boosting their game-day revenue with our fans. Martin is close to retirement and may not be around when the draining begins, like he was not around when WSSU Athletic Department hit that funding Brick-wall. Is A&T going to waste all that Money from Fund-raising by alumni only to see it slowly 🐌 Trickled Away also . Gentleman I saw that happen at WT (WTA&M now) having to move down from the Missouri Valley Conference to the D2 Lonestar conference only to disband there Football program temporarily until their funding source was replenished with the help of Texas A and M for Football . In 5 years this conversation may or could be Revisited . Not a Bad move but a Boneheaded bad move. It won't take that long. We'll know at the end of next year. If we get the same results Hampton got in their first two years, it would be a bad move for us. Not because of the move itself but because we did not prepare properly. We should learn from the Hampton experience.
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Post by aggieforlife on Dec 13, 2021 15:15:52 GMT -5
We will no in less than Three Years and watching the CB game this Saturday will make a lot of Aggies realize it was Bad Move it's like flying first Class to Riding on a Grey Hound Bus...No More they Can Bring My Money Quotes but The JUice was Not Worth The Dang On Squeeze..
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 13, 2021 15:16:20 GMT -5
what would make me say the conference change was a bad move? wow, that's easy! when the announcement was first made that a&t was joining the bsc is what made me say the conference change was a bad move.
we aggie alums are "hurting" here in the dmv. we're used to seeing "in person" aggie football, men's and women's basketball, and men's and women's indoor track every year here in the dmv.
dmv aggie alums also represent the "largest" donating alumni chapter outside the state of north carolina and most recent reports indicate that the dmv alumni chapter is the "largest" donating aggie alumni chapter, "PERIOD"!
we dmv aggies have been left out in the cold, we no longer see aggie athletics "in person" in the dmv anymore and that's a got dayum shame...
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Post by Maxell on Dec 13, 2021 16:35:11 GMT -5
...watching the CB game this Saturday will make a lot of Aggies realize it was Bad Move.. I agree that a lot of Aggies will only need the CB as evidence of a bad move regardless of what else happens to A&T athletics. The part that could not have been predicted is Deion Sanders. He alone has changed the landscape.
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