|
Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 26, 2013 8:30:45 GMT -5
Remember, Hilton keeps telling us it's about revenue. Lower the price by $10 and you probably need close to a sellout to make up the difference. There was no way this game would have sold out even at $25. While it was a little steep, I agree with this. $25 would not have produced a sell out.
|
|
|
Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 26, 2013 9:56:23 GMT -5
For the record, I'm okay with the game not being on Labor Day weekend......but if folks want Aggie Stadium to be filled to the brim in November, it will be imperative for BOTH TEAMS to be very good.
YOU KNOW HOW WE DO IN LATE AUTUMN ----- our tails stay in the house if the football team(s) we're cheering for ain't winning. If folks are cool with only 16-17,000 for the attendance with the Aggie-Eagle game in November, then keep everything as is.
If you want 20,000+ or go back to a 30,000+ attendance..... 1) Move the game to Labor Day and/or 2) Pray both teams are hitting their football strides during the latter half of the year.
I hope Central gets someone good as their coach who can turn their program around. Maynor at Central would take this rivalry to the next level.....including with attendance figures.
|
|
B&GMM 80
Official BDF member
An Official Blue Death Family Member
Posts: 1,097
|
Post by B&GMM 80 on Nov 26, 2013 10:23:47 GMT -5
Still Finished in Attendance Figures at #13 in FCS out of 124 Teams,
So Not Bad at all
stats.ncaa.org/rankings/conference_trends
Average home attendance
1. NCA&T- 13,574 2. SC State- 13,282 3. FAMU- 11,170 4. Norfolk St- 8,174 5. NCCU- 7,260 6. Morgan St- 6,428* (see below) 7. Bethune- 6,269 8. Hampton- 4,013 9. Sav St- 3,854 10. Howard- 3,809 11. Del St- 2,110 *- MSU's attendance was calculated using its HC number of 12,590 (confirmed here) not the 1,259 as reported to the NCAA
AGGIE PRIDE!
|
|
oleschoolaggie
Official BDF member
2009 Poster of the Year, 2009 Most Knowledgeable Poster
Posts: 24,205
|
Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 26, 2013 10:42:27 GMT -5
i don’t like the game being played at the end of the season. its too cold in november, especially last year in durham because they kicked off at 4pm instead of 1pm. but it was cold this year too even for a 1pm game. plus, interest will always die down if both teams aren’t having a good season (which happens most of the time). and because its november, a lot of folk would’ve already spent their “aggie football money” for ghoe, an early season classic (afc), or an early season labor day weekend game like ccu/myrtle beach last year.
but labor day weekend has all the elements necessary to not only sellout our campus stadiums but also generate enough interest to sell at least 30k tickets at a neutral site. the weather is warm, folks still have some “football money”, folks like to travel on labor day weekend which means they bring their families, both teams are optimistic about their upcoming seasons, and the students are anxious to attend the first big event of the school year. so i heavily favor labor day weekend.
if we played the game mid to late september it would still be better than november. and i have to be honest, even i lost some interest in the rivalry by the end of this season. there was very little chatter on bdv during aggie/eagle week which to me shows that i wasn’t the only aggie who lost some interest. hate to see interest in this rivalry continue to dwindle. move it back to labor day weekend...
|
|
|
Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Nov 26, 2013 10:54:32 GMT -5
OSA, I promise you, if an MEAC title was on the line, Aggie Stadium would have been packed. $35; $50 per ticket, etc. Rivalry games with something on the line = a packed house, regardless of ticket price.....
Central was a bad team this year, for numerous reasons. A&T underachieved this year (some may disagree, but our own head coach said it).
To expect 21,000 at Aggie Stadium last week, even if the tickets were $20, would have been unreasonable due to how the teams had been doing throughout the year.....
I'm not putting this one on Hilton. We just have to make sure our football team stays on point and hope the Eagles also start bring a better product to the field. To me, they were just as bad this year as they were the year Mose Rison got fired.
I agree with you though OSA -- a Labor Day Classic has infinitely more potential on an annual basis than does a November rivalry game.....again, I'm cool with whatever folks choose; but if generating money consistently from this game is of paramount importance, this game has to be moved up.
|
|
DECKS
Official BDF member
2008 Poster of the Year
Charter Member of the BDF
Posts: 10,402
|
Post by DECKS on Nov 26, 2013 11:54:54 GMT -5
I think it's fine where it's at. I think we just need to make sure we don't have more than 4 or 5 home games. I keep telling you folks attendance is dropping for most hbcu's regardless of record and it's been that way for the last few years. Move it to Labor Day and you might have the same issues.
|
|
|
Post by Aggie One on Nov 26, 2013 13:11:48 GMT -5
I prefer the game later in the year. People forget attendance on Labor Day was starting to drop off sharply from the high of 35K before the change.
The last Labor Day numbers were just under 21,000 on that last date before the game was exchanged with SCSU 3 years ago.
The Game Zone still made us a 500K weekend while still 3500 short of capacity. Lets crunch the numbers before considering making date changes.
Our early bird preseason sales is where we need to concentrate our marketing efforts. Its about the dollars and establishing and maintaining a consistent fan base of 10K who will purchase season tickets and tail gate passes.
Then we can easily justify higher walkup pricing. We had 8000 in preseason sales this year which is up but still lagging. Having half your seats sold in advance would be a huge step forward to financial stability.
We need to increase that by 2000 over the winter with more innovative family plan pricing choices and game promotion for those teams that don't draw.
Of course, breaking the seven win barrier will help considerably.
A minimum of seven wins is a helluva of lot better than it was in 2010.
|
|
|
Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 26, 2013 14:27:15 GMT -5
Moving this game back to Labor Day weekend is not the answer. NCCU is the ONLY team in the MEAC that can draw over 16,000 to Aggie Stadium in late November unless we are playing for the title. Thats why EVERY other conference saves rivalry week until late November. We need to stop being "black"(warm weather fans) and be about business! This was definitely a MEAC office move to help with revenue for some teams. If Hayes would come to reason we could have WSSU in September to feed the "party" game people when we play NCCU at there place.
Imagine if we had scheduled NCCU on labor day weekend and someone else as our last game. The money we made on the Labor day game would be negated by the attendance at the last game of the year. So it wouldn't have been any better. We would have just had a boring game that maybe 7,000 people showed up to.
|
|
oleschoolaggie
Official BDF member
2009 Poster of the Year, 2009 Most Knowledgeable Poster
Posts: 24,205
|
Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 26, 2013 14:41:05 GMT -5
We need to stop being "black"(warm weather fans) and be about business! well, i was about "business" at the nccu game only to leave with a major case of the "flu"! just got outta bed yesterday, had to have mrs. oleschool to drive me back to dc because i was too weak and had cold chills. ya'll can have that cold weather...
|
|
trues
Official BDF member
Posts: 4,322
|
Post by trues on Nov 26, 2013 15:42:10 GMT -5
1. NCA&T- 13,574 2. SC State- 13,282 3. FAMU- 11,170 4. Norfolk St- 8,174 5. NCCU- 7,260 6. Morgan St- 6,428* (see below) 7. Bethune- 6,269 8. Hampton- 4,013 9. Sav St- 3,854 10. Howard- 3,809 11. Del St- 2,110
OldschoolAggie hit it on the dot. We should move that NCCU to labor day. If we did that and played WSSU early as well that would be three sold out games(HC) and I bet our number would go from 13k to 15K on the average.
|
|
bluehaze
Official BDF member
Posts: 5,999
|
Post by bluehaze on Nov 26, 2013 15:50:38 GMT -5
Attendance was just 16,052 for the NCCU game. It was "just" the fourth highest attended game of the season. I agree with Dex, attendance is down across the board. Top largest MEAC home games (not including classic or neutral site games): 1. NCA&T vs. VUL (HC)- 21,500 2. SC State vs. FAMU- 20,022 3. SC State vs. Hampton- 17,139 4. NCA&T vs. NCCU- 16,052 5. NCA&T vs. Howard- 16,011 Read more: meacfanszone.proboards.com/thread/23329/meac-football-attendance-2013#ixzz2lmqoRwq2
|
|
|
Post by The Professor on Nov 26, 2013 16:25:27 GMT -5
I still think its about price point. I can understand walk up sales being high but why not promote a 20 dollar ticket all season. That way you create a demand. Then no matter what the weather , we have our money. It had to be over 1000 people in line buying tickets on Sat
|
|
trues
Official BDF member
Posts: 4,322
|
Post by trues on Nov 26, 2013 17:00:11 GMT -5
SOLDOUT? man did you look at NCCU side if it was not for the band that side you would had been able to count the number of people on that side.
I have to disagree Aggie One only because year before last our teams was worse than they are now yet we had a better showing. I think it was a combination of Price, cold weather and maybe the reputation of the where both team was more so NCCU than A&T. We also have to throw in the fact that WSSU had a playoff it did not help.
Like I said in another thread if the game was played during labor day weekend this subject matter would seize to exist!!!!!! Blacks forks come out to the first game and it's hot we would have a crowd trust me on that!!!!!! For us to not have A game during labor Weekend this year is really being out of touch of reality MR. AD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not being races but it is what it is.
|
|
|
Post by marchingband1969 on Nov 26, 2013 19:12:29 GMT -5
I think you're right that lowering the ticket price would get a few more folks to show up but by doing that you probably end up netting the same revenue. So that may not be the right answer. And to tell you the truth, that game had a lot of negative factors working against it...cold Rainy overcast weather, two underachieving teams, two home games in a row, and NCCU fans knew they were going to lose. So 16,000 may be great considering the negatives.
My biggest issue is the lack of marketing we do for games. Except Homecoming, we basically just open the gates and hope someone shows up. Heck we don't even try to promote the games through the alumni chapters. Heck last Saturday should have been High School Band day. Any band that shows up in uniform get in for $1.00 per member or free. I know the athletic marketing budget is zip but some promotions require more creativity than money. I'd rather give away 2,000 free seats to high school band students or AP students or midgets than have the stadium half empty. The name of the game is to get more people to the game...and hope they like the experience and want to come back again.
|
|
|
Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 26, 2013 21:03:25 GMT -5
I know yall want a packed Aggie/Eagle(so do I), but I'm asking a serious question here. How many fans would a 7-3(assuming we beat the same teams) football team draw playing anyone other than NCCU on November 23rd? Yeah, we MIGHT get 22,000 for aggie/eagle at home on labor day, but we then lose 8,000 fans on the back end cause we are playing Savanah, Norfolk, etc for our final game. Our overall attendance average would actually go down.
I know that no one wants to hear this but WSSU on Labor Day or week after and keeping NCCU last is our best solution to maximize profits, please fans, and keep attendance high all year.
|
|