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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 29, 2014 7:37:44 GMT -5
There is gonna come a point where u can't raise the price up anymore. By then, it might be too late Too late....for what?? How do you mean? What I'm realizing is we live in a country of haves and have nots...we want to compete on the same playing field and win championships against the "Haves" but, in terms of giving/contributions, we are "Have nots!" So, what's the alternative to a "Have Not?" You raise prices on the product that you are selling. You cannot blame them for trying, unless we get donations that will at least exceed the cost of scholarships, expect more of the same. So, to call it greed isn't relevant to the discussion...if we are trying to keep pace with the best FCS programs in the country then, it is necessary. Otherwise, stop trying to compete on that level.
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Post by saabman on Apr 29, 2014 7:44:59 GMT -5
There is gonna come a point where u can't raise the price up anymore. By then, it might be too late Too late....for what?? How do you mean? What I'm realizing is we live in a country of haves and have nots...we want to compete on the same playing field and win championships against the "Haves" but, in terms of giving/contributions, we are "Have nots!" So, what's the alternative to a " Not?" You raise prices on the product that you are selling. You cannot blame them for trying, unless we get donations that will at least exceed the cost of scholarships, expect more of the same. So, to call it greed isn't relevant to the discussion...if we are trying to keep pace with the best FCS programs in the country then, it is necessary. Otherwise, stop trying to compete on that level. Check Mate
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Post by popdad on Apr 29, 2014 9:32:25 GMT -5
Too late....for what?? How do you mean? What I'm realizing is we live in a country of haves and have nots...we want to compete on the same playing field and win championships against the "Haves" but, in terms of giving/contributions, we are "Have nots!" So, what's the alternative to a " Not?" You raise prices on the product that you are selling. You cannot blame them for trying, unless we get donations that will at least exceed the cost of scholarships, expect more of the same. So, to call it greed isn't relevant to the discussion...if we are trying to keep pace with the best FCS programs in the country then, it is necessary. Otherwise, stop trying to compete on that level. Check Mate Six, I don't think that because the word greed is used in the topic of discussion means that means greedy, but that we don't agree or like the business decisions made on ticket prices. I like the idea of doing what it takes to fill our stadium when it comes to ticket prices. If we can fill our stadium with a lower price, we stand a chance to make the same money or even more than by increasing the price of the loyal ticket holders in an attempt to replace lost revenue. Filling up our stadium presents a better looking package to the conference, potential students (athletes) and adds the opportunity to slowly increase prices for the successful product that will be in demand, I have heard folks over the years make this same comment up to a point that they follow through stated: "If they go up one more time, I'll have to give up my seats"
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 29, 2014 11:02:39 GMT -5
raising ticket prices all the time is a cop out! to me, that says you’re too lazy to raise funds by other means. by constantly raising ticket prices, you’re penalizing the folk who actually support the program and will eventually run them away by “out pricing” them. we saw that happen many years ago when dee todd raised the cost of ghoe tickets so much, that it ended our long consecutive sellout streak for ghoe and never really got it back until the last year or two.
there will come a point where ticket price increases will not compensate for the number of season ticket holders that you run away. earl hilton said as much in an interview with thrilla last year. personally, i’m trying to hang in there and keep my pair of season tickets. but because i live in maryland, at some point it will no longer be worth the cost for me to always miss at least 2 or 3 home games for the sake of contributing to the athletic department. i'm either gonna have to stop donating to the aaf and keep my tickets, or stop buying season tickets but keep donating to the aaf. but i can't continue to do both if they keep raising the season ticket prices.
markets can be “out priced”, and if we continue to raise our ticket prices so frequently, that’s exactly what we’re gonna do. our attendance figures still aren’t nearly as robust as they use to be in the past. i’m sure the economy has a lot to do with that, but so does the ticket prices. i think we need to hold our prices stable at least for a few more years "minimum" until the market catches up with our ticket prices...
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 29, 2014 11:24:06 GMT -5
raising ticket prices all the time is a cop out! to me, that says you’re too lazy to raise funds by other means. by constantly raising ticket prices, you’re penalizing the folk who actually support the program and will eventually run them away by “out pricing” them. we saw that happen many years ago when dee todd raised the cost of ghoe tickets so much, that it ended our long consecutive sellout streak for ghoe and never really got it back until the last year or two. there will come a point where ticket price increases will not compensate for the number of season ticket holders that you run away. earl hilton said as much in an interview with thrilla last year. personally, i’m trying to hang in there and keep my pair of season tickets. but because i live in maryland, at some point it will no longer be worth the cost for me to always miss at least 2 or 3 home games for the sake of contributing to the athletic department. i'm either gonna have to stop donating to the aaf and keep my tickets, or stop buying season tickets but keep donating to the aaf. but i can't continue to do both if they keep raising the season ticket prices. markets can be “out priced”, and if we continue to raise our ticket prices so frequently, that’s exactly what we’re gonna do. our attendance figures still aren’t nearly as robust as they use to be in the past. i’m sure the economy has a lot to do with that, but so does the ticket prices. i think we need to hold our prices stable at least for a few more years "minimum" until the market catches up with our ticket prices... That's the easy answer...get out there and raise monies, they say. Let's be honest, Greensboro is NOT a market where Corporate Sponsorship is at a premium and what Corporate Sponsorship does exist, the lion share goes to the ACC schools. So, to think we can run out and secure the multi-million dollar sponsorship....well, I don't see it happening. Remember, Dee Todd coming from the ACC corporate office with all these corporate sponsor connects; where did that get us? She was crying the same blues as everyone else, we need money. In this economic climate, it's hard to chunk out $1-5K when you are living check to check...let's keep it real. A lot of us are pretty much a paycheck or two away from being on the street. So, what else is there? If you know Greensboro is going to fill up with folk for homecoming, why not raise the ticket prices just a hair to earn extra profit. The hotels do it; they put a premium on the pricing of rooms during homecoming. Will that run folks away from Greensboro during GHOE? I doubt it...we are simply immulating the same methodology.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 29, 2014 11:28:06 GMT -5
A simple question is what are the "best FCS programs in the country" charging compared to what we're charging?
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Post by Aggie77 on Apr 29, 2014 11:31:40 GMT -5
There is gonna come a point where u can't raise the price up anymore. By then, it might be too late Too late....for what?? How do you mean? What I'm realizing is we live in a country of haves and have nots...we want to compete on the same playing field and win championships against the "Haves" but, in terms of giving/contributions, we are "Have nots!" So, what's the alternative to a "Have Not?" You raise prices on the product that you are selling. You cannot blame them for trying, unless we get donations that will at least exceed the cost of scholarships, expect more of the same. So, to call it greed isn't relevant to the discussion...if we are trying to keep pace with the best FCS programs in the country then, it is necessary. Otherwise, stop trying to compete on that level. I think you both are really on the same page, though the Professor may be at the end of the page. I hear him saying, that we can only milk the price cow for so long before it stops producing the quantity needed. I think everybody will agree that we are behind the other FCS schools/conferences in revenue resources now. If we don't lay the foundation now for revenue streams other than student fees and and the price cow, we will just be further behind the "Haves" in the future and it will be to late at some point . . . to late to really compete. I agree it's not greed, it's only the easiest thing to do.
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Post by Aggie77 on Apr 29, 2014 11:57:47 GMT -5
A simple question is what are the "best FCS programs in the country" charging compared to what we're charging? My informal random survey of the Top 25, says we probably at the high end, but ticket sales is but one piece of the revenue puzzle. Here's a sampling. NDSU BisonDate Opponent Sideline/Endzone 9/13 Incarnate Word $35 / $25 9/20 Montana $45 / $35 10/11 Southern Illinois (Homecoming) $35 / $25 10/18 Indiana State $35 / $25 11/1 South Dakota State (Dakota Marker) $35 / $25 11/22 Youngstown State (Harvest Bowl) $35 / $25 Date Opponent Sideline/Endzone 9/13 Incarnate Word $35 / $25 9/20 Montana $45 / $35 10/11 Southern Illinois (Homecoming) $35 / $25 10/18 Indiana State $35 / $25 11/1 South Dakota State (Dakota Marker) $35 / $25 11/22 Youngstown State (Harvest Bowl) $35 / $25 Towson TigerSeason Tickets Gold Chair Back $75 Adult $50 Children $30 Faculty/Staff (reserved)$30 Reserved Parking Pass $40 Advanced Tickets (single game day) Adults $15 Children $12 Youngstown State PenguinsChairbacks: Penguin Club Members only ($175) Reserved: $102 General Admission: $78 Individual Game Prices in Advance Reserved (Sections 2-6 and 14-18): $17 General Admission (Sections 1 and 7): $13 | Purchase Online Youth (12 and Under): $8 (Reserved) | $6 (General Admission) Individual Game Prices Day of Game Reserved: $19 General Admission: $15 Youth (12 and Under): $9 (Reserved) | $7 (General Admission)
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Post by aggiebred09 on Apr 29, 2014 15:20:44 GMT -5
A simple question is what are the "best FCS programs in the country" charging compared to what we're charging? My informal random survey of the Top 25, says we probably at the high end, but ticket sales is but one piece of the revenue puzzle. Here's a sampling. NDSU BisonDate Opponent Sideline/Endzone 9/13 Incarnate Word $35 / $25 9/20 Montana $45 / $35 10/11 Southern Illinois (Homecoming) $35 / $25 10/18 Indiana State $35 / $25 11/1 South Dakota State (Dakota Marker) $35 / $25 11/22 Youngstown State (Harvest Bowl) $35 / $25 Date Opponent Sideline/Endzone 9/13 Incarnate Word $35 / $25 9/20 Montana $45 / $35 10/11 Southern Illinois (Homecoming) $35 / $25 10/18 Indiana State $35 / $25 11/1 South Dakota State (Dakota Marker) $35 / $25 11/22 Youngstown State (Harvest Bowl) $35 / $25 Towson TigerSeason Tickets Gold Chair Back $75 Adult $50 Children $30 Faculty/Staff (reserved)$30 Reserved Parking Pass $40 Advanced Tickets (single game day) Adults $15 Children $12 Youngstown State PenguinsChairbacks: Penguin Club Members only ($175) Reserved: $102 General Admission: $78 Individual Game Prices in Advance Reserved (Sections 2-6 and 14-18): $17 General Admission (Sections 1 and 7): $13 | Purchase Online Youth (12 and Under): $8 (Reserved) | $6 (General Admission) Individual Game Prices Day of Game Reserved: $19 General Admission: $15 Youth (12 and Under): $9 (Reserved) | $7 (General Admission) Thank you Thank you Thank you for posting the FACTS. I'm hearing some very unsound advice being thrown around in this thread.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 29, 2014 15:38:51 GMT -5
imho, i really don’t think we can compare hbcu’s to pwc’s dollar for dollar because hbcu’s are different from any other institutions in ncaa division 1 athletics. our histories are very different from pwc’s, there’s a lot more pwc alums and white businesses than hbcu alums and black businesses, our fans aren’t the same as pwc fans, and minorities in america are disproportionately and significantly less affluent than our majority counterparts. minorities are our primary market, not so for pwc’s.
so for those reasons, i personally don’t think we can measure our financial decisions based on what pwc’s do. pwc’s don’t need ticket revenue as much as hbcu’s do. pwc’s have a more affluent market to draw from than hbcu’s. all kinds of historical factors contribute to the disparity of income for hbcu’s relative to pwc’s.
sure, its probably a good idea to at least see what pwc’s are doing. but we can’t compare our revenue or ticket prices dollar for dollar to theirs because the revenue we generate from our market must be squeezed from smaller pocketbooks than that of pwc’s...
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 29, 2014 16:00:00 GMT -5
I tell you what...unless alumni giving spikes in Athletics, I say we hush.
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Post by oldschool on Apr 29, 2014 16:50:34 GMT -5
I tell you what...unless alumni giving spikes in Athletics, I say we hush. ^^^^ What He Said
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 29, 2014 17:06:25 GMT -5
thing is, ohsix, our aaf is one of the largest booster clubs of all hbcu's. and that's my point. we're already raising more funds than the vast majority of hbcu's. so to me, we should embrace that fact. sure, we always could do more, i get that. but one of the things that bother me a little about folk donating their hard earned money is that we don't seem to appreciate what the aaf has already raised.
many years ago, i almost decided not to ever donate any money to the aggie club because folk always tried to force a "guilt trip" on me because at the time, i wasn't in a position to donate. so even to this day as a loyal donor, i don't try to impose a "guilt trip" on folk who aren't ready or not in a position to donate yet. i think that's the wrong approach.
folk are already giving, more than almost any other hbcu in the country. to me, a better approach is to encourage non-donors to follow the example of those who do donate instead of degrading them because they aren't currently giving.
see, i may be in the minority with this, but i'm one who does not feel aggie grads should feel "obligated" to give back to a&t. i feel we all should want to give back because we luv our alma mater and value what a&t has done for our respective lives. not because we're "obligated" to give back. i have no ill feelings toward aggie alums who are capable but choose not to donate, because folk worked for their hard earned money and should be able to spend it however they see fit. i would just encourage them to donate, but not try to make them feel guilty if they choose not to...
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Post by bseballaggie on Apr 29, 2014 17:13:11 GMT -5
I don't get this conversation, we are football fans...save $1 dollar a day for football season from the end of the season until the new season. I have a commercial water bottle that I throw my silver in to get rid of my change, I've counted five hundred dollars at one point at years end. My point is proaction beats reaction. If you love the game, the team, the school, plan for it!!!
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 30, 2014 7:57:49 GMT -5
I don't get this conversation, we are football fans...save $1 dollar a day for football season from the end of the season until the new season. I have a commercial water bottle that I throw my silver in to get rid of my change, I've counted five hundred dollars at one point at years end. My point is proaction beats reaction. If you love the game, the team, the school, plan for it!!! I get your point, but people have other passions. Ticket pricing is a balancing act between the demand for the product and what people are willing to pay. The tough part about HBCU athletics is that people dont like to pay for non-rival games.
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