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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 13, 2011 16:04:14 GMT -5
school...outside of Hampton's circle people don't really support Hampton in the Tidewater area because Hampton is considered an "elite" private school by those on the outside looking in. so are you saying they're the "duke" of hbcu's? gawd knows they don't get as much community support as one might think for a program that's been so successful... My cousin attends Hampton and she hates on herself for going there, LOL. That should tell you something. But about Elon. We drew 17K for them one time(night game back in 2000. we were very good then), so I definitely think they should be on the schedule. With some creative marketing like I mentioned we should meet or surpass that number.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 13, 2011 16:39:06 GMT -5
Off subject, I'm a 90s Aggies, so someone help me out. Wasn't the 80s another horrible decade for Aggie Football? We only had 3 winning seasons if what I'm looking at is correct. Where's all this 80s domination I keep hearing about? We had winning seasons 9 out of the 10 years in the 90s. no, we weren't "dominant" during the 80's. we had some good teams and some bad teams in the 70's and 80's. but we NEVER EVER came remotely close to a downward spiral like the lee fobbs era, so our attendance figures never really suffered a lot. coach hayes' era was the most dominant era in aggie football history as far as i know. but that doesn't mean we didn't have extremely well attended football games in the 70's and 80's. when we were average or above, we had good attendance. tickets were a lot cheaper then and we didn't have no fan zone to run the local community away. based on my memory (which ain't the most reliable reference in the world), i don't ever recall us hosting howard in greensboro with fewer than 10k fans there like we did last season (2010 season). matter of fact, i don't remember us hosting very many games at all with fewer than 10k fans there unless it was in inclement weather. howard use to be one of our top 5 draws. but a lot has happened since then. ticket prices went up, we no longer could bring in portable bleachers, we had a 27 game losing streak, 8 years without a winning record, and now we have the fan zone. all of those things significantly impacted our attendance figures over the years...
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 13, 2011 20:12:59 GMT -5
school.......Maybe I didn't clarify myself too well (too many MBB whippings-he he).
Hampton does not get major support in the Tidewater area because it is a private school and is perceived as a little snooty...... the peeps in that area do not support Hampton in athletics like say Norfolk St.
Norfolk St. is a state supported school and for many years had "underdog" status because when it first opened many peeps that got admitted in Norfolk St. did not meet the entry qualifications of Hampton for academic and financial reasons. Hampton is a very expensive school, like Howard.
Both of these as you are aware are private schools.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 13, 2011 21:41:58 GMT -5
school.......Maybe I didn't clarify myself too well (too many MBB whippings-he he). Hampton does not get major support in the Tidewater area because it is a private school and is perceived as a little snooty...... the peeps in that area do not support Hampton in athletics like say Norfolk St. Norfolk St. is a state supported school and for many years had "underdog" status because when it first opened many peeps that got admitted in Norfolk St. did not meet the entry qualifications of Hampton for academic and financial reasons. Hampton is a very expensive school, like Howard. Both of these as you are aware are private schools. no, i think i understood. that's why i called hampton the "duke" of hbcu's because a lot of folk don't support duke for the same reasons you've stated that the tidewater community doesn't support the pirates. duke is private, its expensive, and a lot of folk consider them "snooty"...
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Post by Aggie One on Dec 13, 2011 22:49:00 GMT -5
Ya think?
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Post by The Professor on Dec 14, 2011 0:06:51 GMT -5
That Elon game to me is where the money is. If I was Hilton I would schedule Elon and leak an "I hate Elon" quote from Broadway, ROFL. On a serious note. The ADs need to play promoter on this and make it happen. We are 20 minutes apart. It dont make no sense not to play each other. Get a victory bell for the winner to keep. Paint it your school color when you win it. Do a dual press conference with the team captains prior to the game with Broadway and their coach holding a football together. Have a picture with Kindle and thier QB with thier fist to each other chin. "The Burner in Burlington"..."MEAC vs SOCON Challenge". Its a no brainer! but how big is elon's fan base? do they even travel well? i agree we should play them, definitely. but i just don't think they have a very big fan base to draw from. maybe with enough promotions we could draw in the casual fans from the burlington area and the triad. what kind of numbers does elon attract for their home games? do they average more than 10k per game? Elon doesn't travel well. We have played them several times and their fans were less than a 1,000. However we sellout their stadium each season. If we sign a deal with them, there needs to be some kind of ticket guarantee and their band needs to come They were #40 last year in FCS
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 14, 2011 7:10:46 GMT -5
but how big is elon's fan base? do they even travel well? i agree we should play them, definitely. but i just don't think they have a very big fan base to draw from. maybe with enough promotions we could draw in the casual fans from the burlington area and the triad. what kind of numbers does elon attract for their home games? do they average more than 10k per game? Elon doesn't travel well. We have played them several times and their fans were less than a 1,000. However we sellout their stadium each season. If we sign a deal with them, there needs to be some kind of ticket guarantee and their band needs to come They were #40 last year in FCS Hence the reason for the needed promotion. Look, we have to stop worrying about what other people are getting out of the deal and just make a deal that best fits us. if we seEll out their stadium then so what! Elon brings about as many fans as any other school that plays at A&T outside of the obvious. This game has potential and should not be ignored due to previous lack of promotion and effort.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 14, 2011 8:28:27 GMT -5
Aggie Monster, I agree with you. You've got to find creative ways to create buzz around every game and their fans will show up. That takes good marketing. If we don't promote it only the "die hard" fans will show up. I beleive we can have a great "rivalary" with Elon. Since their new president came in several years ago, they have worked hard to become a high-profile university. They've added academic programs, increased their size and improved their sports programs and facilities. The last thing they want is an HBCU (A&T) down the road to get in their way of being respected. We need to make a big deal of that game. Invite the mayor of Greenboro and Elon to the game as a way to pit the two cities against each other...have a "Battle of the Bands" competition between the two schools before the game to create hype, and run ads in their campus newspaper. Hey if we make their fans more aware of how important we think this game is they will start to think it's important too. Hey, what do we have to loose? We're doing nothing now and getting 1000 Elon fans. Maybe if we did just a few marketing things we can double or tripple that number. It's worth the try. Elon is a good game for us for lots of reasons. We just need to get more creative in marketing that game.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 14, 2011 8:35:33 GMT -5
Aggie Monster, I agree with you. You've got to find creative ways to create buzz around every game and their fans will show up. That takes good marketing. If we don't promote it only the "die hard" fans will show up. I beleive we can have a great "rivalary" with Elon. Since their new president came in several years ago, they have worked hard to become a high-profile university. They've added academic programs, increased their size and improved their sports programs and facilities. The last thing they want is an HBCU (A&T) down the road to get in their way of being respected. We need to make a big deal of that game. Invite the mayor of Greenboro and Elon to the game as a way to pit the two cities against each other...have a "Battle of the Bands" competition between the two schools before the game to create hype, and run ads in their campus newspaper. Hey if we make their fans more aware of how important we think this game is they will start to think it's important too. Hey, what do we have to loose? We're doing nothing now and getting 1000 Elon fans. Maybe if we did just a few marketing things we can double or tripple that number. It's worth the try. Elon is a good game for us for lots of reasons. We just need to get more creative in marketing that game. The game automatically saves us thousands of dollars by just being so close. The players and band can eat on campus, no hotel rooms, gas, etc. It should be a no brainer for them as well for the same reason. Plus we pack their stadium. Only us and App do that for them. Elon, App, WSSU, and Coastal should be the first non-conference opponents we approach every year(after trying to secure a "payday" game). Maybe even Gardner Webb and Liberty. If everyone is as cashed strapped as they say these games will save you money and keep you competitive. Maybe even start some new rivalries. Dont forget that UNCC is building a program as well.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Dec 14, 2011 10:15:11 GMT -5
This thread denotes the types of conversations that should be going on right now in Marketing. I'd bet my left (insert body part here) that they aint even thinking strategy for 2012 yet.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Dec 14, 2011 11:28:39 GMT -5
This thread denotes the types of conversations that should be going on right now in Marketing. I'd bet my left (insert body part here) that they aint even thinking strategy for 2012 yet. I know if I had the position I would be reading this board about 10am daily. That's all you would have to do. Steal the decent ideas and spend the rest of the day golfing. I would be considered the Albert Einstien of HBCU football promotion. I would create a dummy account and call is "aggie87" and actually start the convos just to steal the ideas that come from them, LOL.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 14, 2011 11:53:00 GMT -5
This page should be entitled "Aggie Football Marketing 101." Monster, your list of potential teams is great with the addition of UNCC and maybe Davidson. I think UNCC would be great because they have a huge fan base (over 20,000 students) and they are looking to build their program. In fact, if I were going to start any rumors or pick a fight with anyone, it would be UNCC. I'd try to get their student body so upset with our bragging that we will kick their butts that they bring half of Charlotte to Aggie Stadium just to see their team try to beat us. We'd play Mohamad Ali to their Joe Frazier. Their fans would show up mad...but they will show up! I'd have Dr. Martin place a friendly wager with UNCC's President and invite their band to perform. With the right marketing, we could turn this into an instant rivalery.
I don't think anyone in the A&T Atheletic Department is working on the 2012 marketing plan for the team but they should. I bet they plan to print a poster and have that little on-campus fan event and that's it. A real atheletic marketing department would be putting together game themes, promotiional packets and getting sponsors lined up to fund advertising and provide promotional items for fans. But I bet that's not happening at A&T.
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Post by Maxell on Dec 14, 2011 16:01:07 GMT -5
Fire McAlpin.
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Post by marchingband1969 on Dec 14, 2011 16:46:55 GMT -5
Hey, Who is McAlpin? I've seen his name on this site several times when the conversation shifts to A&T Marketing. Surely there's no one responsible for marketing A&T sports. Based on what I've seen for the past 20 years, our marketing consists of me telling my A&T friends to show up for a game. Despite the fact that I buy game tickets, contribute to A&T atheletic programs and even co-sponsored several atheletic fundraiser campaign, I have never received a marketing letter, flyer, email or post card advertising A&T games. In this day of email, blogs, twitter and facebook, there should be something sent out every hour about A&T sports. Heck, email is free so why not send out information about upcoming events, etc. Once again we have proven that we may be a great University, but we still hire second-tier talent.
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Post by aggie2ru on Dec 14, 2011 17:36:07 GMT -5
marchingband......Phil McAlpin has been gettin over for years now. He was in charge of the now-defunct Victory Club before they merged with the Aggie Club.
Phil "do nuthin" McAlpin is layin and playin til retirement. If you like "Mr..500 in MEAC", you will LOVE "Mr. do nuthin".
Man, I'm telling you we need to get these selfish, stale folks on the first thing smokin. Then we can rise. Yes we can! GO AGGIES
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