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Post by pj on Nov 7, 2011 12:32:17 GMT -5
We went into OT at Howard, and had last drives at NSU & FAMU. I forgot what we did against Coastal. This team is not loosing ugly. 'They better get us now,' Funky B'
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Post by Bigboy on Nov 7, 2011 12:50:45 GMT -5
If the ball is not thrown their way how are they suppose to catch it?? Sure the WR's have dropped a few passes, but other than Miles, no one else is having the ball thrown their way more than 2 or 3 times a game, other than maybe Raper. They are not dropping balls all over the place. Most of the time it is either not thrown to them or it is over and under thrown. We have other good WR's on the team, we just have to use them!!
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Post by ohsixrain on Nov 7, 2011 13:01:33 GMT -5
Bigboy, I hear ya...but I will say, when your number is called you gotta step up and make the play. I'm curious to know why D. Gould aka "The Future" get NO time at receiver. He must be in the doghouse or something. Now, we lost to Howard, NSU and FAMU because of plays WE didn't make. Not because, it was plays they made and we couldn't stop them. Now that's an accomplishment in and of itself. BUT, in order to get to where we want to go...WE gotta make the plays that are there for the taking. We need a receiver who wants the ball...we need that guy. A guy who wants the ball in pressure situations because, he knows he's gonna make the play.
Now, you hear Broadway saying he doesn't have the numbers....what that means is, he wants the ability to put a guy that is not performing up to par on the bench and put someone else in who can play just as well. Right now, he has to play what he has.
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Post by Bigboy on Nov 7, 2011 13:55:06 GMT -5
The so-called "Future" does not even get any play in pratice. I don't know what's up with his situation. I wonder why we don't use our TE's more, and Ricky Lewis (on pass plays)!!
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Post by saabman on Nov 7, 2011 14:26:43 GMT -5
We all knew coming in to the season what we didn't have and what we needed to get for 2012.
Miles has turned his game around based on some of the posts before the season began (correct me if I'm wrong) I'm not in any way wondering what we are going to do when Miles is gone. I'm wondering how we are going to finish the lost two games. More of the same are will me see some new faces on the field like (this GOULD Kid)? Or will we start playing smart football again.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 8, 2011 12:30:25 GMT -5
raper's potential game winning drop against norfolk was completely inexcusable. ya can't throw a better pass than that, it hit him right in the numbers at the goal line. the only thing stopping raper from catching that pass was himself and i'm sure he knows that. he heard footsteps, that's the only reason he dropped that pass. and that's not the only drop raper has had. why would anybody trust him to make a key catch down the stretch when he let a "game winner" go right through his hands?
i can understand folk saying spread the ball around, but when you put your total confidence in a receiver and he drops a perfectly catchable pass, you don't wanna risk another game that way. yet, miles will "aggressively" go after the ball when its thrown his way and he's not afraid of contact. again, i think it comes down to "reliability". when a qb passes the ball, he wants to target someone who will make all the easy catches and also most of the difficult catches too.
other than miles, ricky lewis is the only other receiver on the team that i'd feel comfortable giving a high volume of passes to. i think lewis has good hands and he's definitely not afraid of contact. i'm just not sure how well he runs his routes. but to me, lewis would be my #2 receiver coming out of the slot position...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Nov 8, 2011 13:08:37 GMT -5
Thats why Kindle forces the ball to Miles. But in this specific case he threw the ball to Raper because he was open.
While I agree about the reliability; I'd rather he pass to the open man; its not Kindle job to worry whether the receiver is going to catch the ball. I dont have time to analyze but I would bet 75% of Kindles interceptions were passes going to Miles. Why because he knows if there is a catch to be made Miles is like Allstate; so he forces the ball in that direction.
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Post by Bigboy on Nov 8, 2011 13:19:50 GMT -5
The defence know's this also!!! Something else I have been thinking about is why are they not using T. Warren on kickoffs and punt returns?? He is currently 100% healthy so why not use him. Last year I felt he was our best return man, plus he and Ferrell were both preseason picks as All American return specialist. I know he had what some considered a drop TD in the NSU game (debatable), but that should not keep him from being used as a returner. Raper is not getting it done as a returner, and we risk getting R. Lewis hurt using him on kickoffs.
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Post by aggiejazz on Nov 8, 2011 14:19:42 GMT -5
raper's potential game winning drop against norfolk was completely inexcusable. ya can't throw a better pass than that, it hit him right in the numbers at the goal line. the only thing stopping raper from catching that pass was himself and i'm sure he knows that. he heard footsteps, that's the only reason he dropped that pass. and that's not the only drop raper has had. why would anybody trust him to make a key catch down the stretch when he let a "game winner" go right through his hands? Oleschool, I don't agree with your assessment of the play you described above. The NSU defender was all over Raper, jostling with Raper all the way through the passing of the ball, from Kindle to Raper's hands. I think the defender hit either Raper's hand or arm when the football reached Raper. Raper would have had to do a Michael Irvin push-off to catch that goal line pass. |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Nov 8, 2011 14:40:23 GMT -5
raper's potential game winning drop against norfolk was completely inexcusable. ya can't throw a better pass than that, it hit him right in the numbers at the goal line. the only thing stopping raper from catching that pass was himself and i'm sure he knows that. he heard footsteps, that's the only reason he dropped that pass. and that's not the only drop raper has had. why would anybody trust him to make a key catch down the stretch when he let a "game winner" go right through his hands? Oleschool, I don't agree with your assessment of the play you described above. The NSU defender was all over Raper, jostling with Raper all the way through the passing of the ball, from Kindle to Raper's hands. I think the defender hit either Raper's hand or arm when the football reached Raper. Raper would have had to do a Michael Irvin push-off to catch that goal line pass. I cant believe this but I'm defending Raper. He should have made the catch, but it was by no means an EASY catch. It was close quarters with bumping going on. He aint big time enough yet to make that catch. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 8, 2011 14:49:53 GMT -5
Oleschool, I don't agree with your assessment of the play you described above. The NSU defender was all over Raper, jostling with Raper all the way through the passing of the ball, from Kindle to Raper's hands. I think the defender hit either Raper's hand or arm when the football reached Raper. Raper would have had to do a Michael Irvin push-off to catch that goal line pass. I cant believe this but I'm defending Raper. He should have made the catch, but it was by no means an EASY catch. It was close quarters with bumping going on. He aint big time enough yet to make that catch. i didn't see it that way at all, but it ain't worth debating over. i'll go back and look at it again. but i think the ball hit him squarely in both hands right at the numbers. i think him looking at the approaching defender had more to do with him dropping that pass than anything else. and bigboy, i agree that warren should definitely be used on kickoff returns for the reasons you stated. didn't he return one or two kickoffs for touchdowns last season? |
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Post by saabman on Nov 8, 2011 14:57:02 GMT -5
As the old saying go's IF YOU CAN TOUCH IT YOU SHOULD CATCH IT so I'm with OSA on that one. What Bigboy said is true the Defense Knows that Miles is the man and will Double him most of the time. This is the time that Kindle should trust the others. It's a mindset on both the QB and the receivers part. The QB should let each one of the receivers know before the game is started "IF YOUR OPEN IT'S COMING YOUR WAY SO BE READY" just something to let them know that they can not take a play off. I'm not ragging on Kindle because it's not his fault if a receiver drops a ball, But it's his job to let his receivers know that I'm not throwing you the Ball for you to drop it either SO MAKE THE DAM CATCH SO WE CAN WIN THIS GAME they may not like it but they know that the ball is coming their way at any time. That's how a QB leads.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 8, 2011 15:09:12 GMT -5
i'm sorry, guys. i went back and looked at it again with an open mind, and i still say that's a catch that should have been made 9 out of 10 times. its totally "unobstructed" and it hits him squarely in both hands right at the numbers where it should be. i mean, what does it take for a receiver to catch a pass? does he have to be wide open and untouched?
in my opinion, that pass was a lot easier to catch than the one warren missed. sorry, guys. i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. but at the fcs level, i expect my receivers to make that catch every time, especially when the game is on the line.
here's the youtube clip below. fast forward to the 1:55 mark to see raper's drop and warren's comes shortly after that...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Nov 8, 2011 15:24:09 GMT -5
just a question to those who feel that pass that raper dropped was too difficult to catch and i'm gonna leave it alone after this. look at the video and ask yourself, had that been miles, would he have made that catch?
i'd be willing to bet my house, my dog, and all my life's savings that miles would've made that catch. receivers aren't gonna go "untouched" when receiving the ball. by rule, certain incidental contact by a defender is legal in football. i didn't see any pass interference in that play.
to me, if we don't expect our receivers to catch those kind of passes, then we need to stop passing the ball altogether. this isn't pop warner, receivers will not go "untouched" when they try to catch the ball. i didn't see enough contact by the defender that would cause him to miss that pass. be a big boy, stop whining that you got touched or bumped, and catch the dang ball...
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Post by saabman on Nov 8, 2011 15:28:35 GMT -5
i'm sorry, guys. i went back and looked at it again with an open mind, and i still say that's a catch that should have been made 9 out of 10 times. its totally "unobstructed" and it hits him squarely in both hands right at the numbers where it should be. i mean, what does it take for a receiver to catch a pass? does he have to be wide open and untouched? in my opinion, that pass was a lot easier to catch than the one warren missed. sorry, guys. i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. but at the fcs level, i expect my receivers to make that catch every time, especially when the game is on the line. here's the youtube clip below. fast forward to the 1:55 mark to see raper's drop and warren's comes shortly after that... Their is no way he should have dropped that ball. Kindle made a good throw. |
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