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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2011 14:46:38 GMT -5
i agree totally, aggie2ru. we shouldn't turn our backs on "our" community. the solution to our revenue issues is not to run away folk who don't want to see the game but do want to join in with our social festivities.
if we really wanna increase revenues at the ticket gate, we have to do it the old fashion way. improve the product and win some friggin' games! fortunately, it appears we're on our way to doing that and we don't need a fan zone to reach that goal...
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 13, 2011 14:48:08 GMT -5
Dooms, You are correct in your assessment of the petition. However, I disagree with the format or even the need for it. It makes it seem as if that additional $25 will break the bank. If it's that serious, then that person probably can't afford to go to HC. Babynupe, not everybody wants to go into the game. A lot of folks just want to hang out at the tailgate. Not to mention, when the game sells out (or if), then you've just capped the amount of money you can take in because you can't sell anymore game tix, and you don't have a separate tailgate zone ticket to give folks an alternative. There's a literally 27 page thread on this whole thing. You probably missed it. bluedeathvalley.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7271 |
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Post by DECKS on Oct 13, 2011 15:07:34 GMT -5
Most of us over the last seven years have complained like hell about wanting a top notch coaching staff. Well folks, we now have one and they didn't come cheap!! Also consider we can't even fund the full amount of scholarships we're alloted and now some of us want to complain about paying $35 so we can tailgate? C'mon Aggies!
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Post by Babynupe on Oct 13, 2011 15:08:25 GMT -5
Dooms,
No, I already know all of that. I have discussed this will several of my friends. I even ruined my buzz at a happy hour explaining it. I agree the concept may need some tweaking to allow a separate ticket for tailgating. I disagree with the petition via email blast and the way it is written.
OSA, it's not class warfare. I won't try to make you see my point. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 13, 2011 15:25:30 GMT -5
To late now. We'll see how it turns out in 2-days. If they make a boatload of money and its a sellout THEY WONT CHANGE A THING. If it's not a sellout, but they make more money than last year with the same attendance numbers then THEY WONT CHANGE A THING, lol.
So the only thing that will change gamezone is less money coming in because of it.
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Post by aggiejazz on Oct 13, 2011 16:16:27 GMT -5
Most of us over the last seven years have complained like hell about wanting a top notch coaching staff. Well folks, we now have one and they didn't come cheap!! Also consider we can't even fund the full amount of scholarships we're alloted and now some of us want to complain about paying $35 so we can tailgate? C'mon Aggies! I concur with Decks. A&T is in the midst of changing the culture so changing the price now will cause more confusion. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2011 16:24:30 GMT -5
Most of us over the last seven years have complained like hell about wanting a top notch coaching staff. Well folks, we now have one and they didn't come cheap!! Also consider we can't even fund the full amount of scholarships we're alloted and now some of us want to complain about paying $35 so we can tailgate? C'mon Aggies! but decks, i think everybody agrees we need to find ways to raise more revenue. but the fan zone as it is currently set up, does not raise "additional" revenue. again, attendance must "increase" in order for the fan zone to be deemed a success. my understanding is that the concept intends to force tailgaters (who otherwise would not go into the stadium) to purchase a game ticket. so far, that hasn't happened and if anything, our attendance has decreased. if the fan zone was generating a significant amount of "additional" revenue, i'd be the first to admit i was wrong. but we've had 3 home games now and i don't see any increase in revenue resulting from the fan zone. the only thing the fan zone has accomplished, is a diminished tailgating environment. even if we sellout homecoming, it won't be because of the fan zone. we always sellout homecoming. so what's the benefit of having a fan zone unless attendance increases. and if it does increase, it won't be because of the fan zone. it'll be because of an improved football team that wins games... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2011 16:37:15 GMT -5
It looks like attendance will probably be greater this year on a per game average (in some cases significantly) than all but one year of the last 5. BTW, the petition is probably a good thing, at the very least more people will be involved in the discussion. 2006 WINSTON-SALEM STATE-21005 MORGAN STATE - 4264 HOWARD - 21500 FLORIDA A&M - 8442 ELON - 2768 South Carolina St. - 10126 Per game Avg. - 11,351
2007 HAMPTON - 12547 N. CAROLINA CENTRAL - 19320 NORFOLK STATE - 9409 DELAWARE STATE - 9934 BETHUNE-COOKMAN - 20013 Per game Avg. - 14,245 2008 JOHNSON C. SMITH - 11552 WINSTON-SALEM STATE - 21500 COASTAL - 2062 MORGAN STATE - 21500 HOWARD - 4358 FLORIDA A&M - 7036 SOUTH CAROLINA ST. - 7343 Per game Avg. - 10,764 2009 NORFOLK STATE - 14338 HAMPTON - 13502 N. CAROLINA CENTRAL - 19534 DELAWARE STATE - Forfeit BETHUNE-COOKMAN -21500 Per game Avg. 17,219 2010 WSSU - 21500 MORGAN STATE - 21500 HOWARD - 6351 FLORIDA A&M - 7242 SOUTH CAROLINA ST. -10348 Per game Avg. - 13,388 2011 VU OF LYNCHBURG - 11659 COASTAL CAROLINA -9709 BETHUNE-COOKMAN - 10352 DELAWARE STATE -21500 (projection) N. CAROLINA CENTRAL - 21500 (projection) Per game Avg. - 14,944 Diff2006: 3,593 2007: 699 2008: 4,180 2009: (2,275) 2010: 1,556 that can easily be explained; in 2010, our record was 1-10. hence, less attendance. in 2009, our record was 4-6 (5-6 counting the forfeit), our best record since 2003. hence, higher attendance. in 2008, our record was 3-8, the first year we'd won a game since 2005 and fobbs get fired midway thru the season. hence, poor attendance. i mean, its clear to me that our attendance is impacted more by the prospects of our team than anything else. if our team continues to play well this year, i'd expect our attendance to go up... |
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Post by Aggie One on Oct 13, 2011 16:46:12 GMT -5
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. People follow winners.
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Post by aggierattler on Oct 13, 2011 17:50:00 GMT -5
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH THE PETITION. Adding a separate "Game Zone" ticket will only add to the expense incurred by the Athletics Department, because then you will have two levels of space to secure with additional ticket-takers and security. It makes no sense. You can't go to the movie theatre and just hang-out in the lobby with no ticket. You have to purchase a ticket. Now, if you choose to just hang-out in the lobby, eat popcorn and not see a movie...that's on YOU. SAME THING AS THE "GAME ZONE" IS CURRENTLY STRUCTURED.  Someone earlier said that "going to the game is not a requirement" for having a successful GHOE. But neither is tailgating at the stadium. Nobody is stopping anyone from tailgating. They tailgate all over downtown Charlotte for Panthers games...many of them are outside of the I-277 ring. Tailgaters can do the same thing in Greensboro.
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Post by aggie2ru on Oct 13, 2011 18:55:37 GMT -5
Excellent research 77...... but the numbers are inflated for this year, especially. For instance, I will never believe that there were more paid tickets for the Fish Samich of L game than the Bethune-Cookman game. Come on man!!!! There were FAR less people in the entire "Game Zone" for the Fish game than BCU. I will never believe that there were that many paid no shows for the Fish game. It just does not add up!!! "Attendance-gate" anyone?  |
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Post by aggie2ru on Oct 13, 2011 18:57:13 GMT -5
77...I'm not doubting your research I am doubting the source (administration).
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 13, 2011 19:26:44 GMT -5
that can easily be explained; in 2010, our record was 1-10. hence, less attendance. in 2009, our record was 4-6 (5-6 counting the forfeit), our best record since 2003. hence, higher attendance.
in 2008, our record was 3-8, the first year we'd won a game since 2005 and fobbs get fired midway thru the season. hence, poor attendance. i mean, its clear to me that our attendance is impacted more by the prospects of our team than anything else. if our team continues to play well this year, i'd expect our attendance to go up... Wrong, if you normalize 2009 for a normal DSU non-homecoming crowd it's also below this year's projected numbers. The bottomline is this year will probably be higher than the previous years and that's the goal. my understanding is that the concept intends to force tailgaters (who otherwise would not go into the stadium) to purchase a game ticket. so far, that hasn't happened and if anything, our attendance has decreased. if the fan zone was generating a significant amount of "additional" revenue, i'd be the first to admit i was wrong. but we've had 3 home games now and i don't see any increase in revenue resulting from the fan zone. the only thing the fan zone has accomplished, is a diminished tailgating environment. even if we sellout homecoming, it won't be because of the fan zone. we always sellout homecoming. so what's the benefit of having a fan zone unless attendance increases. and if it does increase, it won't be because of the fan zone. it'll be because of an improved football team that wins games... Your understanding isn't supported by the numbers. |
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 13, 2011 19:54:44 GMT -5
Excellent research 77...... but the numbers are inflated for this year, especially. For instance, I will never believe that there were more paid tickets for the Fish Samich of L game than the Bethune-Cookman game. Come on man!!!! There were FAR less people in the entire "Game Zone" for the Fish game than BCU. I will never believe that there were that many paid no shows for the Fish game. It just does not add up!!! "Attendance-gate" anyone? 77...I'm not doubting your research I am doubting the source (administration). Please elaborate, I'm not following your logic. If the numbers are inflated wouldn't the BCU numbers also be inflated? Why would the Administration inflate some numbers, but not others? |
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Post by aggie2ru on Oct 13, 2011 20:34:44 GMT -5
77....The example I used about the Fish Samich of L game is that there were far more people in and out the stadium for the BCU game as opposed to the Fish game. There was not anywhere near 11K for the first game, not ANYWHERE near that.
I can't speak for why they announced that but they did and that is fact. Just think about it Fish or BCU? It does not add up. But the eyes don't lie the attendance for Fish was way below that of BCU. Also, it is no way that the no shows made up the difference in the Fish game.
You have to admit this isn't the first time inflated figures have been used (it is an old practice by some schools and at certain events).
Hopefully, the product continues to improve and the game zone atmosphere gets better. I just think that we won't see NEW money until we start getting better. But we could have done that by simply getting better and keeping it like it was.
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