Aggie77
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 30, 2011 18:38:45 GMT -5
"an ant hill" Really? C'mon man! Maybe you have more time to proof your post on a fan board. Fortunately I dont have that kind of time. ;D Either way I am sure you got the context of the comment. Yeah, it's been pretty slow around here, can't you tell! But mountain and ant hill, c'mon man. ;D
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Post by Aggie77 on Aug 30, 2011 18:45:58 GMT -5
Yes...Finally someone who knows what they are talking about. The players haven't been released yet. Hint ...hint we arent speaking of cramps. And I hear ya loud and clear on football. How about health and safety, I for one am gald we have trainers on board who realize how one weighs over the other. And are willing to do the job they been hired to do. Its a sad thing when so many get it all twisted, then we have a problem and everyone jumps on the other complaint wagon. Stay the course trainers. Broadway will get on board or get over it. Because with all the magic this board thinks he has, he can't breath life back into a player intrusted to him. Dang, nobody has ever accused 'Jazz of knowing what he's talking about before. ;D Thanks for the input Aggiecare. Would you like to expand on the injury report? No names or positions please. Will they be ready by game time?
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Post by oldschool on Aug 30, 2011 18:52:01 GMT -5
Without listening to the entire press conference, and hearing the context in which his comments were made ,its difficult to judge him. But from what I have read on this thread ,I think he was calling "THE TEAM" out more so than the trainers. If, and I say ,If the players have been out that long just for cramps, he was justified in saying what he said , even in public.
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Post by aggiecare on Aug 30, 2011 19:04:53 GMT -5
Boy oh Boy.....You really hear just what ya want to hear dont ya. 5 players to the hospital, some admitted. Some on PHYSICIAN RESTRICTIONS, and you still using the word cramps. DAM just blaffing. Unlike some I WOULDN'T BE ON HERE SPECULATING. What is happening all over the nation right now with heat and football players. With the heat index up at the beginning of practice just what would you think of other then cramps. And what dummy would sit out a player for 5 weeks because of cramps. Stevie Wonder can see thats don't add up. Get with the program fellows, I know ya know better or ya should.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Aug 30, 2011 19:40:34 GMT -5
At the end of the day coaches coach and trainers and doctors are there to handle the medical needs. Mixing the two can be like mixing oil and water. I'm sure she is not telling him what to run on third down and he should not be telling her when someone is healthy enough to play. JMO
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Post by saabman on Aug 30, 2011 20:03:53 GMT -5
Like you said AGGIECARE "Its a sad thing when so many get it all twisted" which you have!! Not one person as said that Broadway forcing the Trainers to do anything!! From the posts that I have read 1: Could are should have Coach Broadway went about it another way instead of calling the Trainers out at the Press Conference. That was the main topic. 2: The question of the players health and safety was not put into question by Broadway are anyone on this site. 3:It is not normal for a Fit athlete are anyone to be out 5 weeks and the only thing you can tell the coach is they have Cramps. Not just one but 5 at the same time? You do the math!! That why I call this "CRAMP GATE" 4: The unknown is:did the 5 get an evaluation /diagnosis done by a Doctor or was it a Call made by the Trainers. They do not have that call are power to make it!! Only a Doctor can make that call and if the trainer did they over stepped their boundaries . I don't know your profession but i get the feeling that you are in the care profession. So tell me this if you had a patient that continues to have Cramps to the point that they can not perform their job because of Chronic pain would you not have them see a Physician to get to the root of the problem? That is what is not known (HAVE THE YOUNG MEN BEEN SEEN BY A PHYSICIAN are not) 5: And if they have why haven't anyone let the Coach know ? And if he did know then I will be the first to say Broadway was wrong!!! Being a coach myself I am the first to ask what a trainer thinks. If he was to tell me 5 weeks! I let the head Coach know and we inform the Trainer to send the player to a Physician ASAP. Not because we don't trust his/her opinion but just to make sure that all the proper steps are taken. So this is not about Twisting anything one way are the other it is about a lack of communication some were . So lets just see how this plays out. But I do know this I would not let them Dress for that game because they have been out 5 weeks and its as you say it's about their Health and Safety.
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Post by saabman on Aug 30, 2011 20:17:27 GMT -5
Hell all we had was PICKLE JUICE. I drink so much of that juice I could have been on a Jolly Green Giant ad!! lol
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Post by aggiecare on Aug 30, 2011 21:03:22 GMT -5
LOL well just excuse you. I never said the things you called me on, that must be in a thread only you see. I never said Broadway did this or that. You seem to have a inside line, with the quote the coach was told they just had cramps. I know what the thread was about, which is why I spoke up. Instead of what started the thread, the language here was negative toward the trainers and the players.With the line we haven't had a good trainer since... Do you even know theses people? Read your own comments. I stated its not just cramps. since you are a coach if you had 5 players sent to the hospital by ambulance and several admitted. Would I have to tell you it was more then cramps. Dr. dont keep you for just cramps that as you say pickle juice would take care of. Show me where I said the coach forced anyone or anything. Trainers cannot hold a player out indifinitly without a Dr. order.This makes me thinks of the saying you can lead them, but ya can't make them.......And got it twisted I don't think so. I'm just trying to untwist the twisted and stop the speculation and untrues.
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Post by aggiecare on Aug 30, 2011 22:16:18 GMT -5
Let me clear up something I did say. I did not intend to say negative things were said about the players, other then suck it up. The rest is fact and I gadly stand by it. I'm sure our new coach is a winning coach, I hope so anyway and looking forward to this weekend. Hopfully our team will be healthy and ready.
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Post by aggiechamp on Aug 30, 2011 22:20:38 GMT -5
I know I'm beating a dead horse over the head, but I can't resist saying this. Our college football/basketball/checkers coach should never and I repeat never pubicaly castigate our medical/training personnel's decision to sit a player because of injury. When he or she does, it makes it appear that the coach cares more about winning than he does about a kids health. For those of you who say that he's old school, I say that he or she, the coach is an old fool. Coaches simply can't get away with doing things the way that they did simply because they win games. Ask Bobby Knight or any of those old school coaches that simply refused to change with the times. They eventually end up fired with their lifetime winning record intact. They also have an extensive cadre of parents, alumni students etc that hate their guts. At 4XL said, it is dangerous to mix coaching and training because of the inherent conflict that the coach has to win games while the trainers role first and foremost is to ensure the safety of our kids. While that might not be true in the pros, it should be true at this level of sport. Maybe it's just me, but winning football games is sometimes secondary to more important principles in life. To me, the health of our players is paramount. If the trainers say that a player can't play because he has cramps, then the player can't play/practice unless he is cleared to play/practice by competent medical personnel. If Broadway believes that the trainers are not competent to make that call, then he should approach the appropriate person in the administration to make that change. If Broadway has done that and hasn't gotten what he considers the right response, then he should find another employer!
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Post by saabman on Aug 30, 2011 22:23:59 GMT -5
It is the head trainers job to inform and keep the head Coach informed of any injury to his athletes. Even if he saw them leave in a ambulance . The coach needs to know the reason why they were admitted. And yes the trainer would have to tell him asap. Because I will be the one that their parents call for information on their child. I just can't tell them hold on I'll get the trainer or oh it's just cramps so we had them admitted. How about this one " I know I told you it was just cramps but I have no I dear what is wrong with your child because the trainer wont tell me.! Do you not know how that looks to the parents? I know about the HIPAA issues and rules. So I don't know if A&T has their players complete a HIPAA Waiver of Authorization Form are a HIPAA Release but we do. Any head coach should be informed about his players injures. The coaches should be brought up to speed ASAP when a player is admitted to a hospital by the head trainer. That all I am saying. You made a good point but do understand this, coaches can not read a mind they have to know and know quickly so if they have to call a family are if a family calls them they have to know what to tell the parent . I don't no is not a good thing for a coach to say.
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Post by AggieGroove on Aug 30, 2011 22:33:11 GMT -5
I think folks have to remember who we hired. He's not going to keep his mouth shut about anything that bothers him. Guess what? At 230 large guaranteed he doesn't have to. Now y'all are starting to see what I was saying about how people aren't sad to see him leave even though he's a winner. Sit back and enjoy the ride folks. We ain't seen nuthin' yet. You won't even remember this one in a few weeks. Dude is gonna kick whoever's azz he has to kick in order to win, period. That includes yours and mine, so our opinions won't matter so much. He didn't take this job to lose. He took it to make a lot of money, be close to family, and to win. Well said...Bill Hayes was the same way and he was a winner!
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Post by saabman on Aug 30, 2011 23:09:07 GMT -5
true that GROOVE true that. 3 more days.
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Post by ohsixrain on Aug 31, 2011 7:41:19 GMT -5
I think we have gotten down a road that's really a dead end. I'll say this and I'm done...I have no opinion whether or not he should have made the comments he made in his press conference. What I'm holding on to is...just because some may not quite understand the method to the madness, doesn't mean it doesn't work. Doesn't mean that you will agree! I'm sure there will be another situation that US (here on the board), would do differently than he would but, that's why WE aren't coaching. See, we are Monday Morning Quarterbacking up here...what he should've or could've done. There's no doubt IF these young men were admitted to a hospital, they had a medical condition much more serious than cramps. And I will still stand by my statements previously, that 5 weeks is too long to hold a somewhat conditioned athlete out of practice because of cramps.
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Aug 31, 2011 8:44:15 GMT -5
Have they even been in camp 5 weeks? They came in on Aug.2nd or 3rd. That would mean that they didn't even make it to contact drills. I know for a fact that the coaches are given a player injury update twice a day. There is no way that the coach does not know the status of a player. Every atudent-athlete at every NCAA institution signs a HIPPA form. I will stop here. Wishing the Aggies much success this Saturday.
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