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Post by aggiejazz on May 31, 2011 14:21:36 GMT -5
This Virginia University of Lynchburg game will not count as a countable game for NCAA statistics for players, head coach or University (A&T).
Countable Opponents
Only games against varsity teams of four-year (or two-year senior colleges), degree-granting institutions (that play a majority of their contests against U.S. college varsity teams) shall be included in individual and team statistics, won-lost records and coaching records. This can include non-U.S. schools such as NAIA members British Columbia or Columbia Bible, or NCAA provisional member Simon Fraser. For Division II only, countable competition also includes all four-year, degree-granting institutions located in Canada as defined in the NCAA Division II Manual Bylaw 31.3.3.1.
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Post by aggiejazz on May 31, 2011 14:23:57 GMT -5
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Post by Aggie One on May 31, 2011 15:00:15 GMT -5
Jazz, check their schedule again and the reading of the rule again. Six of their opponents on their schedule fall into the four year degree granting institutions fielding varsity football programs, and one is a JUCO, so it will count on the books.
2011 VUL Schedule-
8/27 Guilford College (Scrimmage)
9/3 North Carolina A&T State University Away
9/10 Edward Waters College Away
9/17 Louisburg College JUCO Home
9/23 Longwood College Away
9/24 North Carolina Tech Prep Home
10/1 Coppin State University Away
10/8 West Virginia Tech HOMECOMING
10/15 Wesley College
10/22 Fork Union Academy Prep Away
10/29 Lincoln University Home
11/5 being scheduled
11/12 George Mason Univ. Away
I know everyone would like to see a more competitive opponent to open at home with but I think people are a little off the mark thinking simply because VUL doesn't offer athletic football scholarships they are a mere "club" team.
I remind folks that Davidson plays a full D-2 schedule in a legit D-2 conference and is also a non scholarship program.
These guys are looking to eventually return to the CIAA where they once were members in the 40-60's. Not making excuses here because we'll probably put 50-70 points on the board against them but the game will count given the rule as it is written.
Not that much different from when Howard opened up with Georgetown a few years back at home in DC with Georgetown having the almost exact makeup with seven schools qualifying them to count in the record book. They just had better athletes.
The Hoyas had on their schedule FCS, some D-2 or D-3 and NAIA teams and couple of top prep schools (Hargrave and Fork Union) and but I also remind folks that Howard lost to them anyway on national television and wasn't as close as the score indicated (14-11).
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Post by ohsixrain on May 31, 2011 15:48:51 GMT -5
I think if you listen long enough somebody will complain about anything on this site. I get what they are trying to do...everybody that says we should open up with a tougher opponent, doesn't coach for a living. I for one, would love for us to square off with Tuskegee but, the coach knows best. If we put him there to lead us, then we must trust his judgement.
First, we posted about St. Paul's College being on the schedule. Then when they fell off, we complained about not having an opponent. It's lose-lose trying to convince some.
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Post by Aggie77 on May 31, 2011 16:29:17 GMT -5
Maybe they are a club team simply because they aren’t sanctioned by any of the collegiate athletic governing bodies, simply because they haven’t fielded a football team since the 30s or 40s, simply because they use stock athletic photos on their athletic website, simply because they don’t appear to have a head coach yet, simply because they have less than 300 students. On second thought, maybe they shouldn’t be considered a club team until they actually have a team.
BTW, Georgetown played Howard in 2008 and 2009. Georgetown was a DIII from 1973-1992, and FCS since 1993. Georgetown all time football record is 484-382-32, no comparison to VUL.
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Post by aggiejazz on May 31, 2011 16:31:38 GMT -5
There are 5 opponents on VUL schedule that are 4-year colleges/university and have varsity football: A&T, Edward Waters, WVA Tech, Lincoln Univ and Wesley College.
Louisburg doesn't count; George Mason is a club team and so are Longwood and Coppin State.
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Post by aggiejazz on May 31, 2011 16:37:58 GMT -5
First, we posted about St. Paul's College being on the schedule. Then when they fell off, we complained about not having an opponent. It's lose-lose trying to convince some. You are correct, it is a lose-lose because first A&T scheduled a St Paul that was seriously in debt and had a possibility of not fielding a team. This was mentioned by a couple of people when the schedule was first announced and low and behold, St Paul could not field even an athletic department. Now this, VUL.
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Post by Aggie77 on May 31, 2011 16:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 31, 2011 16:56:38 GMT -5
i would think umes has a better chance of fielding an fcs team than coppin state. they've been at it for quite a while, raising funds and all. yet, i don't think umes is anywhere near to fielding an fcs caliber team. so i can't imagine coppin doing it in short order...
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Post by aggiejazz on May 31, 2011 17:27:09 GMT -5
I betcha after this thread posting today, A&T will be helping VUL to find another varsity opponent for their Nov 5th opening. If VUL gets another CIAA, this will give them 6 varsity teams and A&T's game may have an outside chance of counting.
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Post by aggiejazz on May 31, 2011 19:17:46 GMT -5
I will add that the NCAA will have to determine that VUL is a varsity football program and not a club team. You have to wonder how could VUL be considered a varsity football program when currently they are under no governing body that governs varsity football programs. Secondly, can a very small college with no facilities become a varsity football team in a matter of 4 or 5 months?
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Post by DECKS on May 31, 2011 20:51:21 GMT -5
After some investigation and insight I can now understand why everyone is so upset. It would be more honorable for us not to play a game on Sept. 3rd rather than do this. Dooms is right............we goin straight to hell if we play this game!
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Post by DECKS on Jun 1, 2011 10:07:09 GMT -5
I've been trying to reach someone at VUL via phone but so far all I'm getting is someones Sprint PCS voicemail. I also sent Earl Hilton an email looking for answers.
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Post by DECKS on Jun 1, 2011 11:14:42 GMT -5
According to Rod Hampton at VUL they're just waiting on Broadway to sign the contract.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 11:19:41 GMT -5
Just how difficult is it for A&T to just schedule a game on 9/17 and let all those who purchased season tickets already know of the change and accommodate them? Games are moved around all the time at other places.
But it is what it is.
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