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Post by Aggie Monster on May 31, 2011 13:39:22 GMT -5
We only won 1 more game than VUL.... No we aint in the same boat but were both trying to patch the same holes 1)Scholarships 2)Lack of Talent 3)Pride Come on cuz! You cant be serious. Comparing A&T to a 1st year non-athletic scholarship program is ridiculous. Yall act like we didn't even score any points or had no chance to win any games last year. I know yall are pissed about the opponent, but damn. We were only completely out of 3 games last year going into the 4th. It's like others are saying. If you dont like it then stay home and show up in Boone the next week and show up for Coastal the week after that. You definitely wont be disappointed in the opponent for either of those contest. Those are "real football" fan games right there son! Aside from this game our schedule is brutal and I dare anyone to try and debate that fact. So 1 cupcake, 3 decent opponents(for A&T) and 7 monsters(no pun intended) doesn't discredit this schedule what so ever. This season will be a defining one.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on May 31, 2011 13:43:32 GMT -5
Get off the pedestal if you think App State considers us anything more than what we consider VUL 1st year or 81st year. The competition we face against Virginia will be comparable to the competition we give to App St. We know were not on the App State level but their fans aren't crying cause they know its a easy win. Suck it up suit up. Hey maybe the game zone will sell out before the stadium. Id rather pay $20 to hang outside the game than pay $15 to watch it. No way App is looking at us the way we are looking at VUL. We aint a non-scholarship school. We do have the ability to compete against App. We may not win, but their bench cant play most of the game and they still beat us by 30 like we are about to do VUL. I think your putting them on to high of a pedestal and discrediting all the returning players we have. The most App will do is run the ball down our throats, but they wont be able to do ANY & Everything they want to. I doubt VUL will even come in with any 300 pounders at all. I doubt they will come in with ANY 4.4 CBs or WRs. They wont have ANY players with a SINGLE game of experience and if they do NONE will have Div1 experience. App wont be saying that about us. They will be staring down at some pretty potent offensive weapons and a defense that while suspect in the middle, has a bunch of returners that did OK last year. Agree totaly. If memory serves me correctly Central had a 14 - 7 lead on App year before last. They ended up losing 55 to 21; but our talent level is at least equal to central. That was actually a close game until the 4th qtr with central staying within 7 most of the game. Monsters correct there is a huge difference between schorlarship athletes and non. UVL might have a couple of 300 pounders although they might be 5'4".
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 13:53:11 GMT -5
dang! my bad, westcoast. i know we're off topic, but i was mistakenly thinking our latest score was for school year 2010-11, but it wasn't. it was for school year 2009-10 instead, an apr of 927 which gave us a 4 year average of 872. so i should have asked what our 4 year rolling average would be if our 2010-11 score is around 925? i'm thinking since our 2 most recent scores would average 926, when we throw in the two scores prior to that, we'd come close to at least a 900 average which would put us close to the minimum required. so basically, if our 2010-11 score is above the minimum required (925), if we followed that with 2 more consecutive years above the minimum, we'd be free of any sanctions to our program. do you know what our scores were for school years 2008-09 and 2007-08? Pretty Much. All we need to know is this: 1. The Max number of Football Players we can have on an Athletic Scholarship is 54. 2. Each player gets 2 points each semester. 1 point is for eligibility and 1 point is for retention. This season, Our max point total for the APR calculation will be 216 (54 x 4). So yeah, to get a 925 or higher, they have to get at least 200 points. 3. A&T Athletics has to meet all of the goals and stipulations as agreed upon for the waiver. If that means having an APR of 1,000, A&T better have an APR score of 1,000. Of course that isn't the case but u get the point. So yeah, do all that over the next 2 years and we will get out of trouble. *If I wrote anything inaccurate, by all means let me know
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 31, 2011 14:24:36 GMT -5
(Football in the works for Coppin State?) They had 13 baseball players now football......d*** #1brave, i wouldn't hold my breath on that one...
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Post by Aggie77 on May 31, 2011 16:36:52 GMT -5
i thought we only gained 1 scholarship? Yep, but we can spread those schollys out over more players now. That number jumped from about 48 to 54. How do you come to this conclusion?
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Jun 1, 2011 7:53:52 GMT -5
There are at least 10 kids from the 10-11 academic year that will negatively affect the 2010-11 apr score. (No names will be mentioned) Don't know if 900 or better is a possibility.
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Post by captaggie on Jun 1, 2011 8:44:02 GMT -5
4XL,
How will the majority of them affect us: grades or transfer?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 9:24:36 GMT -5
Yep, but we can spread those schollys out over more players now. That number jumped from about 48 to 54. How do you come to this conclusion? Easy. It's in the public APR report issued for the football team. Click this and check it out. web1.ncaa.org/app_data/apr2010/488_2010_apr.pdf
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Jun 1, 2011 10:01:07 GMT -5
4XL, How will the majority of them affect us: grades or transfer? Grades mostly. It doesnt hurt you as much if they transfer eligible. You will at least get 1 point out of 2 for the semester. If they leave ineligible they are what we call 0-fer. You cant replace those.
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Post by Aggie77 on Jun 1, 2011 10:41:32 GMT -5
OK, but I'm still not getting your basis for the increase spread of partials?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2011 11:07:14 GMT -5
OK, but I'm still not getting your basis for the increase spread of partials? Ultimately, I am not sure how many players on this year's team will receive any form of athletic aid for the upcoming school year. However, from reading the document, we know these things: 1. A counter - a student receiving athletic aid. Whether it's a Full or Partial, any student that is given athletic aid will be used in the APR equation and as 4XL explained, each of those students can earn up to 2 points each semester (1 pt for retention & 1 pt for eligibility). 2. A&T Football is allowed to issue 9 new Counters 3. A&T Football is being allowed to have up to 54 counters, which is up from the 48 counters that were allowed for the 2010/11 season by the NCAA as apart of their punishment for our poor APR. 4. A&T Football is being allowed to fund those 54 counters with the equivalent of 45.83 (about 46) which is an improvement on the punishment from last season where we could fund the equivalent of i believe about 44. So in essence, A&T can only spend what would equate to 46 Scholarships on 54 athletes as apart of the restrictions placed on us by the NCAA for having a Sub-Standard APR score. The only reason why we don't have a post season ban and harsher scholarship penalties is because of the work of Coach Lee and his staff during the 2009/10 season where the team earned a single year APR score of 927.
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Post by SixtiesAggie on Jun 1, 2011 11:58:10 GMT -5
Why don't all of you guys direct your questions to 4XLAGGIE about the APR? He seems to be quite knowlegable about the discussion. He may also be able to give an analysis of the problem or problems that may be looming ahead. He mentioned the possibility of existing players impacting the future APR. Perhaps he can give some clarity to the discussion.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jun 1, 2011 12:15:27 GMT -5
i apologize for hijacking this thread. but perhaps this apr discussion should be continued on the apr thread...
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Post by Aggie77 on Jun 1, 2011 13:28:38 GMT -5
Ultimately, I am not sure how many players on this year's team will receive any form of athletic aid for the upcoming school year. However, from reading the document, we know these things: 1. A counter - a student receiving athletic aid. Whether it's a Full or Partial, any student that is given athletic aid will be used in the APR equation and as 4XL explained, each of those students can earn up to 2 points each semester (1 pt for retention & 1 pt for eligibility). 2. A&T Football is allowed to issue 9 new Counters 3. A&T Football is being allowed to have up to 54 counters, which is up from the 48 counters that were allowed for the 2010/11 season by the NCAA as apart of their punishment for our poor APR. 4. A&T Football is being allowed to fund those 54 counters with the equivalent of 45.83 (about 46) which is an improvement on the punishment from last season where we could fund the equivalent of i believe about 44. So in essence, A&T can only spend what would equate to 46 Scholarships on 54 athletes as apart of the restrictions placed on us by the NCAA for having a Sub-Standard APR score. The only reason why we don't have a post season ban and harsher scholarship penalties is because of the work of Coach Lee and his staff during the 2009/10 season where the team earned a single year APR score of 927. I guess I should have been a little more specific in my question. What is the basis of the 54? Are you saying that because of the most recent yearly APR increase our allocation of scholarships with the total has changed? It’s my understanding that the baseline for the penalty remains unchanged and we locked on that total until the moving average crosses the APR threshold. Therefore any combination of partials is the same as last year. This is the first I heard of a restriction on partials. How does that work?
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Post by 4XLAGGIE on Jun 1, 2011 15:14:18 GMT -5
In essence there is no limit on partials, just a limit on counters. At the end of the day, there can be no more than 54 players receiving any kind of athletic aid. We were penalized 3.15 scholarships I believe. That was the equivalent of the 0-fer kids from the 09-10 apr year.
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