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Post by Brandmasta on Apr 1, 2011 10:23:58 GMT -5
I understand..I've eaten alot of sheeet sandwiches , had doors closed in my face, Blatant mistreatment...which lead me to the career I had, and still do on a personal basis. to make a difference.. How many of you have had to Pull the Barrel of a gun out of someones mouth because they were ready to call it in? Pry a Pill bottle out of someones hands because the pair they grew was tugged on by and Uncle or another older person...and Life was just too much? I bet MY PAIR has saved more than lives than you.... I see your point from a Laymans point of view... but you still don't see mine.. Military Kats.. totally different book. That's life or Death training.... All the Training in the world doesn't work on everyone with a pocket full of grenades and an M-16...they go thru sheeet too... Yeah the world ain't an Ice cream Sunday.. yet NO ONE still has answered my question, Since U A1, chimed in, I see your reference about the whining, but you didn't say you would love to wake up and go to work in such a Lovely environment with your Full Grown Pair.... how much of that can you and "YOUR PAIR" take?... Not you literally tho....its just how I see things...nobody's hands are raised... With all due respect, you know ALMOST NOTHING about the posters on this board, other that the fact that we all love A&T sports. What makes you ASSume that noone on this board has had similar experiences, or maybe even experienced things that may even make your little knees tremble? And what does that really have to do with A&T football? You can be the baddest, toughest poster on the board (in your own mind) if you want to, but that doesnt change the fact that sometimes people need to experience adversity to understand how to overcome adversity. I have no problem with Broadway's methods if they are designed to introduce a little stress or tension into the training environment. If you can focus under simulated pressure in practice, you can perform under real pressure during the game.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 1, 2011 10:54:37 GMT -5
I'm very late on this, but Dooms had the best analogy. I think the staff had to come in like this or they would fail. How you find out who has what it takes if you come in all fathery and soft.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2011 11:01:25 GMT -5
I'm very late on this, but Dooms had the best analogy. I think the staff had to come in like this or they would fail. How you find out who has what it takes if you come in all fathery and soft. that was an excellent point by dooms. you can't come in soft and then toughen up later, it doesn't work that way. but you can come in tough, stay tough, but lighten up a little later...
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Post by aggie2ru on Apr 1, 2011 11:17:17 GMT -5
For real, for real-----the coaches that I had that left the most positive impression on me were very demanding (I hated them--at first) and also very understanding (I loved them---right away). In looking back in the "2nd half" of my life, I was fortunate because both types were great coaches and life-teachers. That being said, I am behind whatever non-physical approach that Broadway and associates bring to the table. Let's keep our eyes on the results because we are really at the crossroads and some drastic measures need to be implemented for order to be restored. Let the teaching begin!!!! GO AGGIES!!
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 11:27:08 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2011 11:38:30 GMT -5
Thank you... Thats ALL I wanted to hear.... Thank you for answering my question.. How is it a poor comparison? All the Team members are "On Their Job"as an Athlete... They are supposed to be in a "Professional environment" as fas as the School is concerned... Coach effectively is all I'm saying with a bit of Humanity.. Some posters think I want a Soft Coach.. Not the case.. I'm going to put this to rest, in caps... YOU CAN GET YOUR POINT ACROSS IN MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS AND STILL BE A WINNING COACH!!!I've seen it done many many times.....Beating a man's character to within inches of "Snapping" can have catastrophic repercussions... seen that too..... its a poor comparison because a "professional environment" in the office place is totally different than that of the football field. in my office, professionalism involves appearance, competence, and articulate communications. nobody has to run a 40 yard dash, take brutal physical punishment, be able to tackle anybody, or be subjected to severe physical stress. inthestands, some of the very best college coaches use some of the most foul language on the planet! do some research on former georgetown coach, john thompson. i've already mentioned bobby knight. if that doesn't do it for you, try uconn's "women" basketball coach, geno auriemma. you should hear the stories they tell about his mouth and relationship with players in practice! all three of these coaches are "hall of fame" coaches and are adored by their players. well, maybe not auriemma as much. lol. but he has no problems landing the top recruits in the country and his former players speak highly of him. and by no means is pat summitt a nun either! personally, foul language has never been my coaching style. but i never coached beyond high school and i coached at a catholic high school where its probably prohibited (not that i would've done it anyway). but college is a totally different beast! i suppose i would have use profanity at that level. you have to be much tougher as a coach in college than high school on down. inthestands, i really do understand your concern. but this is college, and this is the game of football. to me, as long as the coaches treat everybody equally, the team will realize not to take the criticism personally because they will see that the coaches treat everyone that way. my experiences has shown, that if the criticism is handed out "fairly" regardless to status on the team, the pendulum will swing to the players and they will consider guys who can't take it as "punks" who lack toughness. as long as broadway and his staff knows their football, this approach will work to their advantage especially in august...
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 11:40:07 GMT -5
Ok...I see I'm the Bad guy Amongst the Group here, and an Alumni of the school.. The entire Athletic program is under a microscope. ( have we forgotten the Death of that Track student because someone wanted to save a Penny or two).. How much more can it be magnified? My points of view are my own opinion and I have a genuine love for people and share the same interest in the schools rep as the rest of you... We'll see. I hope it works out. Fist bump to all you. ... See yall in the fall... "Give my regards tooooo Broad- waaaaaay"! ~Inthestands
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 11:41:52 GMT -5
Thank you... Thats ALL I wanted to hear.... Thank you for answering my question.. How is it a poor comparison? All the Team members are "On Their Job"as an Athlete... They are supposed to be in a "Professional environment" as fas as the School is concerned... Coach effectively is all I'm saying with a bit of Humanity.. Some posters think I want a Soft Coach.. Not the case.. I'm going to put this to rest, in caps... YOU CAN GET YOUR POINT ACROSS IN MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS AND STILL BE A WINNING COACH!!!I've seen it done many many times.....Beating a man's character to within inches of "Snapping" can have catastrophic repercussions... seen that too..... its a poor comparison because a "professional environment" in the office place is totally different than that of the football field. in my office, professionalism involves appearance, competence, and articulate communications. nobody has to run a 40 yard dash, take brutal physical punishment, be able to tackle anybody, or be subjected to severe physical stress. inthestands, some of the very best college coaches use some of the most foul language on the planet! do some research on former georgetown coach, john thompson. i've already mentioned bobby knight. if that doesn't do it for you, try uconn's "women" basketball coach, geno auriemma. you should hear the stories they tell about his mouth and relationship with players in practice! all three of these coaches are "hall of fame" coaches and are adored by their players. well, maybe not auriemma as much. lol. but he has no problems landing the top recruits in the country and his former players speak highly of him. and by no means is pat summitt a nun either! personally, foul language has never been my coaching style. but i never coached beyond high school and i coached at a catholic high school where its probably prohibited (not that i would've done it anyway). but college is a totally different beast! i suppose i would have use profanity at that level. you have to be much tougher as a coach in college than high school on down. inthestands, i really do understand your concern. but this is college, and this is the game of football. to me, as long as the coaches treat everybody equally, the team will realize not to take the criticism personally because they will see that the coaches treat everyone that way. my experiences has shown, that if the criticism is handed out "fairly" regardless to status on the team, the pendulum will swing to the players and they will consider guys who can't take it as "punks" who lack toughness. as long as broadway and his staff knows their football, this approach will work to their advantage especially in august... Ok..we'll see.. I've been there...Like I said... thanks to my coaches I still have legs like Cartoon Gargoyles because I ran Hills, Banged on Sleds while the coach had his hand on my helmet like I was a steering wheel...and I had to make the turn and out do the other side of sled so I could get water.. (Back in my day before Athletes literally DIED from Thirst from heat stroke we got 1 water break all practice) But my coach always talked to us and told us individually what we needed to work on..was Hard on us but didn't belittle us. He would stop practice and make the weaker one go Heads up with the strongest...he did this until he was satisfied with what he wanted out of said individual... I played O Line, and was a FB, and occasionally DE. I loved Game day...and yeah I had my share of F' ups and paid dearly.. I can still hear his whistle.. I can also still hear "Good going Bumpy...thas how you hit kid"! i was 17 years old then. So its not like I've never been there fellows (ladies if you are here also).. We'll see .. The proof is whats under the helmet and how that triggers a response out of the rest of the body.. There were alot of factors last season..like wasting 1/2 the season on a QB that couldn't hit a Billboard with a sack of money hanging from it.. Hines was accurate but paper mache'...couldn't take the hits... RL was a good example of how to "move chains" pretty well.. Like I said.I hope it works out..
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2011 11:59:10 GMT -5
Ok...I see I'm the Bad guy Amongst the Group here, and an Alumni of the school.. The entire Athletic program is under a microscope. ( have we forgotten the Death of that Track student because someone wanted to save a Penny or two).. How much more can it be magnified? My points of view are my own opinion and I have a genuine love for people and share the same interest in the schools rep as the rest of you... We'll see. I hope it works out. Fist bump to all you. ... See yall in the fall... "Give my regards tooooo Broad- waaaaaay"! ~Inthestands as far as i'm concerned, you're a cool dude who simply cares about aggie football. i'm glad you took the time to express your opinion. for some reason, sometimes folk consider disagreeing the same as disliking, which couldn't be further from the truth. we're all aggies here, but that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. me personally, i'm a lot less interested in the coaches' name calling than i am in their play calling. again, as long as they know their football, treat everybody equally, and are "competent" coaches, i could care less what names they call the players. i've had coaches to call his players a bunch of "sissies" in practice, but no one took him seriously because he was mad and we all knew we weren't sissies. if ya can't take a little name calling, you certainly can't take a hard hit. ask new york jets coach, rex ryan, what he thinks about cussing and name calling. he'd probably cuss you out! lol! he belittles grown azz millionaire men and all they did was make it to the afc championship game. but i understand your concern, inthestands. just don't think its a big deal at the college level or beyond...
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 12:11:55 GMT -5
Ok...I see I'm the Bad guy Amongst the Group here, and an Alumni of the school.. The entire Athletic program is under a microscope. ( have we forgotten the Death of that Track student because someone wanted to save a Penny or two).. How much more can it be magnified? My points of view are my own opinion and I have a genuine love for people and share the same interest in the schools rep as the rest of you... We'll see. I hope it works out. Fist bump to all you. ... See yall in the fall... "Give my regards tooooo Broad- waaaaaay"! ~Inthestands as far as i'm concerned, you're a cool dude who simply cares about aggie football. i'm glad you took the time to express your opinion. for some reason, sometimes folk consider disagreeing the same as disliking, which couldn't be further from the truth. we're all aggies here, but that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. me personally, i'm a lot less interested in the coaches' name calling than i am in their play calling. again, as long as they know their football, treat everybody equally, and are "competent" coaches, i could care less what names they call the players. i've had coaches to call his players a bunch of "sissies" in practice, but no one took him seriously because he was mad and we all knew we weren't sissies. if ya can't take a little name calling, you certainly can't take a hard hit. ask new york jets coach, rex ryan, what he thinks about cussing and name calling. he'd probably cuss you out! lol! he belittles grown azz millionaire men and all they did was make it to the afc championship game. but i understand your concern, inthestands. just don't think its a big deal at the college level or beyond... Point well taken and I appreciate the courtesy..I love my AGGIES...All Yall.. No matter what.. I can't go into detail on Why I started this thread...some Folk were concerned and called me out cause I'm the one who Squelches Conflict...(Not for the school, but in my profession).. I won't peep cards but Ain't no love amongst the players and THAT my friends is where it needs to start.... all Ima say..
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Post by Aggie Monster on Apr 1, 2011 12:28:48 GMT -5
The people I know that are around practice say its working. If its working then they will forgive the staff later when the results shows on the field. Same way you do your kids. Most people that had really tough parents appreciate them now.
Most of the time if tough love doesn't work then you recruited the wrong player. Since he didn't sign any of these guys some aint going to get it. Especially since they had at least one year under a nurturing type coach.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 1, 2011 12:37:09 GMT -5
What's funny is I actually made three employees cry and had three try to quit on me. The same ones are now the ones that regularly contact me asking me to come back.
They may not like his demeanor, but I'm willing to bet they know he'll go to bat for them. That's what's most important.
You can't really make a judgment forecasting that he'll always treat them that way. Let's revisit this halfway through the season...
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 12:40:29 GMT -5
What's funny is I actually made three employees cry and had three try to quit on me. The same ones are now the ones that regularly contact me asking me to come back. They may not like his demeanor, but I'm willing to bet they know he'll go to bat for them. That's what's most important. You can't really make a judgment forecasting that he'll always treat them that way. Let's revisit this halfway through the season... Agreed!
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 12:41:18 GMT -5
The people I know that are around practice say its working. If its working then they will forgive the staff later when the results shows on the field. Same way you do your kids. Most people that had really tough parents appreciate them now. Most of the time if tough love doesn't work then you recruited the wrong player. Since he didn't sign any of these guys some aint going to get it. Especially since they were signed and had at least one year under a nurturing type coach. good...We'll see if it continues..I hope it does..
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2011 12:44:01 GMT -5
There were alot of factors last season..like wasting 1/2 the season on a QB that couldn't hit a Billboard with a sack of money hanging from it... fell out my chair!
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