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Post by ohsixrain on Mar 31, 2011 16:27:24 GMT -5
inthestands...i respect your position, but do you think it is time to sound the alarm already??? honestly???
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Post by Brandmasta on Mar 31, 2011 18:32:56 GMT -5
This aint the girl scouts, so there's no need to treat them like that. There is a lot of instruction going on as well, so it would be different if it was nothing but verbal abuse without a purpose.
Are the guys supposed to cry if the coaches cuss at them? What about when opposing team members cuss at them? What about if they get a little scrape on their knee?
I have been through many training courses, both military and otherwise, and I have seen the full spectrum of teaching styles. From Tony Dungy-like to Bobby Knight-like, both styles can be effective. I think we might need somebody that's a little tougher-nosed to turn this thing around.
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Post by krazykev on Mar 31, 2011 18:43:52 GMT -5
inthestands...obviously, you are stating what type of coaching style you prefer. That did not work that last three times and you really do not know some of things that have happened behind the scenes. Just sit back and see the results before you start critiquing the new staff. Coach Hayes was a hard nosed coach and all he did was win.
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Post by oldschool on Mar 31, 2011 19:17:22 GMT -5
inthestands ... are you related to Q. Long
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Post by inthestands on Mar 31, 2011 20:12:14 GMT -5
inthestands...i respect your position, but do you think it is time to sound the alarm already??? honestly??? ...Yes.. from what I know.. Yes.. Cause my services were seeked. That's all I can say tho... Spotlighting of past events over the last year... yeah....and I kno more than alot of "Posters" who think I'm asking for a "Gomer Pyle" type of Coach instead of a "Sargent Carter"... Yet no one answered my question..."Would you work for a boss who supervises like a Yelling cussing at you every waking moment you're Clocked in, or Salaried in coach.... How many here have a PHD in sports Psychology? I cut and pasted this out of a Sports Psychology Blog word for word : "I can’t find any constructive use for coaching via demeaning and intimidating behavior. Making your athletes feel stupid in front of their peers or publicly humiliating them may temporarily get you their attention, but it will permanently lose you their respect and the respect of their teammates. Once you’ve lost a player’s respect, you’ve lost that player! Furthermore, your “lesson” will not be lost on the rest of the team. When you put one player down, the rest of the team is immediately worried about you doing this to them. There are numerous ways to successfully motivate athletes. Old school coaches like to inspire fear as a motivational tool. You make athletes afraid of you and then they’ll do anything you ask of them. While this may be true, this is a pretty shortsighted approach. If you coach through intimidation you may get an athlete to fear you, but you can’t make that athlete respect you. Other coaches try to be the athlete’s best friend. They get “buddy-buddy with the player and refuse to ever come down hard on him. Unfortunately, there are times when you need to pull a “hammer” out of your coaching toolbox. When you don’t, this “let’s be friends” motivational stance will give you no leverage to really do your job effectively. You can be my best friend but that won’t guarantee that I’ll respect you. My bias, however, is that the best way to motivate an athlete is by first building a solid relationship with them, the foundation of which is based on mutual respect." Basically the Exact same thing I said!!!! ---> " the best way to motivate an athlete is by first building a solid relationship with them, the foundation of which is based on mutual respect."...and who said anything about Girl Scouts? Brand..?..ha haha... I do like the Cookies... never did I mention them and thanks for reminding me... my cookie jar is "1 Cookie shy"... ....and My likeness of Coaching styles?.. because I suggest a more effective way of communicating to build a personal working relationship 1st??? Learn your crew? Find the weakness and Build? I'd think you'd do that Then go hard in the dirt next week.. U know..like no kissiing on the 1st or 2nd date....hahaha.. I've seen winning coaches get into the heads of his players without the antics and Psycho babble... must be a Left coast thing.. Anyway, well see how strong the Fabric is flapping in the wind....Will it Fray or turn to Kevlar... all the payers...good luck!. It's not gonna be pretty watching the Christians get fed to the lions...or a runaway slaveship rowing itself....
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Post by inthestands on Mar 31, 2011 20:56:24 GMT -5
inthestands ... are you related to Q. Long no sir... Don't know him..
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 31, 2011 20:57:29 GMT -5
No free lunches anymore. Not you personally but this is how I see things.
You get what you pay for and to be the best you better be ready to sacrfrice and put your own welfare aside for the greater prize. If you don't understand that in life you going to have take some on some s**t at some point in your life to achieve a purposeful goal then you really do have a lot of growing up to do.
You want to be nurtured then go ahead and leave, move back home with mom for the next 20 years or so and live in the basement, playing video games, and hanging with the boys all nght long.
Zero tolerance?, Damn straight. With history of this program, this staff doesn't deserve kid gloves, or breaks, or any special understanding. theyhave provn nothing.
I know for a fact there's a sufficent amount of talent on this team to be a solid ball club but that only a few people seemed willing to really gut it out last year and show up every week and I can count them all on one hand.
A word of advice. Don't even try this "woe is us crap" in the real world. No one owes anyone anything but a chance, if that. You earn what you get in this life by producing and not by whining about the mean ole boss who doesn't like you. Tough
I am product of the civil rights generation, just a bit younger than most. Go read some history or talk to some elders but until you really know and experience what true hard times and adversity really are then and only then come back and talk to me about respect and fairness.
But first grow a pair and act like a man if you want to be treated like one.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Mar 31, 2011 21:26:27 GMT -5
As long as he is teaching the fundamentals and building from there, I can live with anything else. I'm not a big fan in degrading a player --- I feel the time spent degrading is less time spent teaching. However, Broadway's resume speaks for itself.....at the end of the day, I just want the team to be smarter and better than they were at the beginning of the day. If Broadway and the staff can accomplish this day after day, then who am I to scrutinize. Give this one some time....
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Post by inthestands on Mar 31, 2011 21:34:26 GMT -5
I understand..I've eaten alot of sheeet sandwiches , had doors closed in my face, Blatant mistreatment...which lead me to the career I had, and still do on a personal basis. to make a difference.. How many of you have had to Pull the Barrel of a gun out of someones mouth because they were ready to call it in? Pry a Pill bottle out of someones hands because the pair they grew was tugged on by and Uncle or another older person...and Life was just too much? I bet MY PAIR has saved more than lives than you.... I see your point from a Laymans point of view... but you still don't see mine.. Military Kats.. totally different book. That's life or Death training.... All the Training in the world doesn't work on everyone with a pocket full of grenades and an M-16...they go thru sheeet too... Yeah the world ain't an Ice cream Sunday.. yet NO ONE still has answered my question, Since U A1, chimed in, I see your reference about the whining, but you didn't say you would love to wake up and go to work in such a Lovely environment with your Full Grown Pair.... how much of that can you and "YOUR PAIR" take?... Not you literally tho....its just how I see things...nobody's hands are raised...
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Post by inthestands on Mar 31, 2011 21:36:41 GMT -5
As long as he is teaching the fundamentals and building from there, I can live with anything else. I'm not a big fan in degrading a player --- I feel the time spent degrading is less time spent teaching. However, Broadway's resume speaks for itself.....at the end of the day, I just want the team to be smarter and better than they were at the beginning of the day. If Broadway and the staff can accomplish this day after day, then who am I to scrutinize. Give this one some time.... <----------Good point...We'll see.. like I Said...all the prayers and Luck... The PROGRAM needs some shine..
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Post by maxwell12 on Mar 31, 2011 21:40:06 GMT -5
inthestands...obviously, you are stating what type of coaching style you prefer. That did not work that last three times and you really do not know some of things that have happened behind the scenes. Just sit back and see the results before you start critiquing the new staff. Coach Hayes was a hard nosed coach and all he did was win. People motivate differently. One style won't cut it! One size does not fit all!
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Post by maxwell12 on Mar 31, 2011 21:47:27 GMT -5
inthestands...i respect your position, but do you think it is time to sound the alarm already??? honestly??? ...Yes.. from what I know.. Yes.. Cause my services were seeked. That's all I can say tho... Spotlighting of past events over the last year... yeah....and I kno more than alot of "Posters" who think I'm asking for a "Gomer Pyle" type of Coach instead of a "Sargent Carter"... Yet no one answered my question..."Would you work for a boss who supervises like a Yelling cussing at you every waking moment you're Clocked in, or Salaried in coach.... How many here have a PHD in sports Psychology? I cut and pasted this out of a Sports Psychology Blog word for word : "I can’t find any constructive use for coaching via demeaning and intimidating behavior. Making your athletes feel stupid in front of their peers or publicly humiliating them may temporarily get you their attention, but it will permanently lose you their respect and the respect of their teammates. Once you’ve lost a player’s respect, you’ve lost that player! Furthermore, your “lesson” will not be lost on the rest of the team. When you put one player down, the rest of the team is immediately worried about you doing this to them. There are numerous ways to successfully motivate athletes. Old school coaches like to inspire fear as a motivational tool. You make athletes afraid of you and then they’ll do anything you ask of them. While this may be true, this is a pretty shortsighted approach. If you coach through intimidation you may get an athlete to fear you, but you can’t make that athlete respect you. Other coaches try to be the athlete’s best friend. They get “buddy-buddy with the player and refuse to ever come down hard on him. Unfortunately, there are times when you need to pull a “hammer” out of your coaching toolbox. When you don’t, this “let’s be friends” motivational stance will give you no leverage to really do your job effectively. You can be my best friend but that won’t guarantee that I’ll respect you. My bias, however, is that the best way to motivate an athlete is by first building a solid relationship with them, the foundation of which is based on mutual respect." Basically the Exact same thing I said!!!! ---> " the best way to motivate an athlete is by first building a solid relationship with them, the foundation of which is based on mutual respect."...and who said anything about Girl Scouts? Brand..?..ha haha... I do like the Cookies... never did I mention them and thanks for reminding me... my cookie jar is "1 Cookie shy"... ....and My likeness of Coaching styles?.. because I suggest a more effective way of communicating to build a personal working relationship 1st??? Learn your crew? Find the weakness and Build? I'd think you'd do that Then go hard in the dirt next week.. U know..like no kissiing on the 1st or 2nd date....hahaha.. I've seen winning coaches get into the heads of his players without the antics and Psycho babble... must be a Left coast thing.. Anyway, well see how strong the Fabric is flapping in the wind....Will it Fray or turn to Kevlar... all the payers...good luck!. It's not gonna be pretty watching the Christians get fed to the lions...or a runaway slaveship rowing itself.... I'm with you on this!!!!
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Post by Aggie One on Mar 31, 2011 22:08:00 GMT -5
I can tell young man, I do enjoy going to work everyday knowing I have the respect and even admiration from many of the people I've brought into my organization and I do not put up with head cases, momma's boys, or drama queens.
If they prove themselves, I will bend over backward and go to to the wall for them to be treated fairly without hesitation. But equally, you half step, create disruption or backslide on me , I promise you will be out the door before the lights go out when I hit the switch.
I haven't ever had to fire anyone that I personally hired for over a 30 year career so something I must have been doing something positive in judging character in both the private business sector and in public management that has proven to be right on target.
More often than not people who are disorganized and self centered respond quickly one way or the other when there are definitive boundaries and expectations placed across the board. If you are a leader who has a track record of success, they will follow you and the those that don't will be on the outside looking in.
Sure you temper your decision making with some understanding of a particular situation or special circumstance privately but you never let yourself as a leader to get suckered into feeling empathy for laziness, no respect for rules, lack of personal responsibility and plain own sorry excuse making for not doing what you're supposed to do, being where you're supposed to be, and failing to act like you are expected to act.
There, I said my piece, now you know where I stand. Do your thing Coach Broadway, whatever it takes.
I'm out.
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Post by inthestands on Mar 31, 2011 22:49:49 GMT -5
I can tell young man, I do enjoy going to work everyday knowing I have the respect and even some admiration of the people I've brought into my organization and I do not put up with head cases, mamma's boys, or drama queens. If they prove themselves, I will bend over backward and go to to the wall for them to be treated fairly without hesitation. But equally, you half step, create disruption or backslide on me , I promise you will be out the door before the lights go out when I hit the switch. I haven't ever had fire anyone that I personally hired for over 30 years so something I must have been doing by judging character in both private business and public management has proven to be right on target. More often than not people who are disorganized and self centered respond quickly one way or the other when there are definitive boundaries and expectations placed across the board. If you are a leader who has a track record of success, they will follow you and the those they don't will be on the outside looking in. Sure you temper your decision making with some understanding of a particular situation or special circumstance privately but you never let yourself as a leader to get suckered into feeling empathy for laziness, no of respect for strong authority, lack of personal responsibility and plain own sorry excuse making. There, I said my piece, now you where I stand. WEll Put!!!!!! Obviously you are in a position of Authority and treat your personnel like People.... Not animals...and they respect that... All this to prove the whole time of what I've been saying when I started this thread. So, from what I've Gathered, from all this, Most of the commentary has been to Punish the team, Go Hard, Drill their heads because the last 10 seasons have been failures...when most of these guys were in the 5th grade...so now that we have a New Coach and some NEW NECKS on the Guillotine, Lets see how many players we can BE-Head by some hard nosed good ole fashion Ego bashing and sell some Fear by making them feel like sh!t.... Show'em how to Coach boy!!! Show'em how we can Take these New horns who disrespected the last administration, and make chicken salad out of wild Chickens" ...you still have people in your organization because they obviously like working with you... but not one time did I condone Laziness and disruption...as I mentioned also before "All players should be accountable for their own behavior on and off the Field" ...has nothing to do with a foul mouth Figurehead yelling belittling offensive explitives...Thas has to do with Up bringing.... Its easy to sit there and say "We need Drill Sargents to straighten these boys out"... All of them are not bad apples with worms poking out.. But I see your Stature on where YOU work.... You treat people with respect there obviously...and they reciprocate the treatment... Case in point.. GPA's, Attitude, personal life... this ain't the NFL...they don't HAVE to play... they play because some may be on Scholarship, and to various other reasons, basically to entertain us... wonder how it would be with just 15 players on the team because the weak and feeble can't take it? ..Oooooo... Coaches can get their point across without going ballistic.....and get more respect out of knowing how to tweak Damaged goods rather that Pulverize the meat through a meat grinder and pressed into a mold....you can still be stern and work effectively professionally and leave profanity and degrading in the street where it belongs....
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Post by aggie62 on Mar 31, 2011 23:15:16 GMT -5
On this subject, I'll give you a friendly reminder. Last year in order to toughen his players, Bethune-Cookman's new coach took them to the beach and made them run in the sand while carrying another player on their back. They did it and it appeared to have worked for them as their win-loss record indicates. IMO, players should be toughen up during practice so they won't turn into whimps the first time a real opponent hits them.
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