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Post by inthestands on Mar 31, 2011 23:34:05 GMT -5
On this subject, I'll give you a friendly reminder. Last year in order to toughen his players, Bethune-Cookman's new coach took them to the beach and made them run in the sand while carrying another player on their back. They did it and it appeared to have worked for them as their win-loss record indicates. IMO, players should be toughen up during practice so they won't turn into whimps the first time a real opponent hits them. AGREED!!! Thas what I'm talking about...That's conditioning..PHYSICAL Conditioning...
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Post by bseballaggie on Apr 1, 2011 1:22:53 GMT -5
I hope so..we'll see... I can't reveal too much, but I've worked with schools all over the country, Military, CEO's, Corporate Supe's, Managers etc.. I know how "Other Coaches" think if you get the term "Other".... I've helped athletes with World Records to ones Paralyzed from the neck down and I know what they are thinking... I have to laugh at the BCU coach... Ask him where.. Naaah..don't ask.. It worked didn't !!! Hell yeah it did.. But did you hear him calling his player Sorry Mf'rs?.. nope... Hint: Polamalu on that Beach thing... but I agree with you on we need more EFFECTIVE COACHING.... We'll see.. let's wait and see... Thas all I can say about it. Some Folk Be concerned.. and they have deeeep pockets... Oh yeah...I'd like to ask anyone reading this...would you work for a Boss or supervisor who basically Sh!t down your neck day in and day out? Called you names and verbally abused you every single second you're at work? ha ha...I think not..You'b be home on the couch waiting on your law suit check to come in the mail from you suing for Harassment... I digress LOL this sounds like boot camp to me, maybe this is how we build the toughest military in the world.
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Post by aggiebred09 on Apr 1, 2011 7:56:04 GMT -5
I am an educator by profession. I Teach High School Juniors and Seniors. I can tell you that the sense of entitlement is high among these kids. They come into college with a lil High school championship ring or a few yards on a ball in their high school trophy case and expect to be treated like they've won a Superbowl with chips on their shoulders and the feeling that they already have all it takes. Attitudes and drama run rampant among the males and females.
These kids need this "Tough Love" they are getting from the staff. It takes alot to break down 8 years worth of excuses and egos. I am not for anything egregious but I definitely understand Broadway's approach.
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Post by DOOMS on Apr 1, 2011 8:10:53 GMT -5
I was a manager until I recently lucked up and got promoted.
When I came in, I was the meanest s.o.b. on the planet the first six months. Why? Because it's a lot easier to come in mean and pull back the reins than it is to come in all loving and then try to stiffen up. I even told the employees (the ones that were left) as much after they commented "you're a lot nicer than you used to be." You have to let people know that you are not there to be their friend.
I was hired to clean up a mess. I did what I had to do and was rewarded with a nice promotion. I had to fire one that couldn't keep up, but I let her know that I was there for her if she needed help and I worked to get her approved for early retirement (behind the scenes, even though everybody eventually figured it out). When I left, the crew was in a whole lot better shape than it was when I got there. That's what it's all about.
But yeah, it's been said quite often that Broadway has a very poor mouth. That he does need to work on.
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 8:20:14 GMT -5
But yeah, it's been said quite often that Broadway has a very poor mouth. That he does need to work on. ...yeah, I agree with the Tough Love and all...And yes kids need to be CHECKED at the Gate on EGOS, and the "Walk on Water superstar" syndrome..I understand all that...but you just said a Mouthful right there... (( A P P L A U S E ! ! !))... We'll see how his approach works. Top dogs always have to "Mark their spot" for dominance... but there are many more effective ways to do so is all I'm saying throughout all my posts and is the reason I started this thread..
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Post by maxwell12 on Apr 1, 2011 8:40:02 GMT -5
NCAA Scholarship Rules Expose Yet Another Hypocrisy in College Sports By Hayden Bird (Correspondent) on March 31, 2011 58 A cross-section of a man caught at a moment of decision bound to reverberate across his entire profession.
Nick Laham/Getty Images Real quick: What percentage of Division I athletic scholarships are multi-year? Fifty percent? Sixty percent? More?
Had someone asked me this question anytime before a couple days ago, I would have probably guessed a high percentage.
The answer: zero.
There are no NCAA Division I athletic scholarships that go longer than a single year at a time. Obviously, many of the players who want to play four years of varsity D-I athletics on a scholarship (and who were originally given scholarships as freshmen) are able to do so. The school just re-ups each year.
The company line of the NCAA
Yet why do they only give one-year scholarships? What advantage is derived from exclusively handing out one-year scholarships? It got me thinking (a rarity in this day and age), so I decided to ask the NCAA directly.
I emailed Mark Emmert, the NCAA President, as well as any NCAA email address I could get my hands on.
Surprisingly, no one answered.
Which is too bad (and I’m actually serious). I am genuinely curious about this rule. Obviously I understand the wording of the rule itself (established in 1973, when the NCAA split up into divisions and limited athletic scholarships), but what’s the rationalization behind it?
Should NCAA athletes be able to attain four year scholarships? Yes? No? Not that simple From what I could discern after trawling the Internet, NCAA spokesman Bob Williams has said that:
“the award of athletic scholarships on a one year, renewable basis is the more typical approach taken within higher education for talent-based and academic scholarships in general.”
Basically, Williams has found a roundabout way of saying, “Everybody’s doing it!”
A more official NCAA statement on the issue declares:
“Athletic financial aid is a "merit" award and an annual review of whether an individual meets the standards of a merit award is the most appropriate way to ensure that the most deserving student-athletes receive that award each year. Student-athletes must demonstrate that they deserve the merit-based award of athletics aid in two ways—by remaining academically eligible for competition and by meeting participation expectations in the sport for which aid is granted.”
Reading between the lines
Of course, it’s an easy rule to see through and how players can be exploited. They can be cut after any season—and not just because of failing academic standards or breaking school rules.
Players can be cut for injuries, for not playing well or even merely having the bad luck of being around when a coaching change occurs (and since many coaches like to bring in “their guys,” that doesn’t always leave room for previous team members to remain on scholarship).
Once cited by President Kennedy as a reason for going to the moon, Rice annually stands toe-to-toe with Texas "not because it is easy, but because it is hard." Brian Bahr/Getty Images Take Joseph Agnew, a once promising defensive back who enrolled at Rice University on a football scholarship in the fall of 2006. He played in all 13 games that season for the school, but his head coach, Todd Graham (who had recruited Agnew), left after that season for the University of Tulsa.
With a new coach and a series of injuries (including shoulder and ankle surgeries), Agnew was phased out of the team, losing his scholarship after his sophomore season. He appealed the decision and won scholarship for his junior year but was thrown off his senior year and had to pay tuition completely out of pocket.
There are no records that his academic performance dropped or that he simply wasn’t trying on the field. He was fired from his job because he couldn’t perform it and didn’t fit the coach’s plan. Does that sound like an acceptable transaction to happen to a so-called “amateur” athlete?
Of course not! That’s why Agnew has filed a lawsuit against the NCAA (which is currently in court).
Time to recognize college sports for what they
If players like Agnew help the university make money, shouldn’t they be able to collectively bargain, if not for an out-and-out salary, then at least for the length of their scholarship?
Shouldn’t a player (who’s helping the school do well and profit) be insured with a full, four-year scholarship whether or not something happens that makes the school regret its decision? Isn’t that how you make a deal that isn’t utterly one-sided?
The NCAA’s perpetual counterpoint: They’re amateur athletes who are students before being athletes. They can’t collectively bargain with us.
The NCAA’s official narrative, which we’ve seen countless times in ads during March Madness, declares that “400,000 student athletes are going pro in something other than sports.” They go to great lengths to emphasize the “student” part of the student-athlete.
Tell me, how does it help a student to allow coaches the opportunity to cut an athlete from his scholarship after every season because he or she might not meet “participation expectations?”
The fear of losing scholarships drives athletes to ridiculous workout schedules, playing injured and, most of all, neglecting their studies. Surely even the NCAA has to recognize the blatant hypocrisy.
Conclusion
It’s time for change—and finally, thanks to people like Agnew and organizations like PBS’s Frontline (who just did a segment about this), along with the always unsung public advocate Ralph Nader, there are growing signs that the NCAA and its well-coifed President might be willing to talk (or, more accurately, see the writing on the wall about their multi-billion dollar organization that laughably labels itself a “non-profit”).
Emmert recently told USA Today regarding sharing some of the revenue with players, “The sooner the better. ... I will make clear that I want this to be a subject that we explore.”
I don’t think this is even close to the end of this problem. But in the words of a much better writer than I, this might finally be “the end of the beginning.”
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2011 8:41:11 GMT -5
Yet no one answered my question..."Would you work for a boss who supervises like a Yelling cussing at you every waking moment you're Clocked in, or Salaried in coach.... .... i know i'm chiming in late, but i agree with most posters. this ain't the boy scouts, this is football! the most "brutal" sport in the world. no coach could've been more abrasive than bobby knight, i mean none! he even "physically" abused his players. i'm not a big fan of bobby knight, yet bobby knight is the all time winningest division 1 basketball coach ever! ya think he never degraded his players? i'm with most other posters, coach broadway you do you! this is football, not ping pong...
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Post by ohsixrain on Apr 1, 2011 8:47:39 GMT -5
i think at the end of the day...everybody wants a winning football program. and most folk feel like they don't care how you do it, just do it. i'm sure there will be times that we will not agree with everything broadway does but, that's why he's coaching and making the $$ he is. in a perfect world, our coaches wouldn't have to yell, curse or scream at players and they'd win all of their games year in and year out. however, that's not our reality. we have to be patient and allow the growth progression take place.
again, inthestands, i respect your position and stance on the issue. but, understand broadway does have a helluva resume. having said that, do you think perhaps, there where a few fans that watched practices at nccu and grambling felt the same way you feel??? i know for a fact that the grambling fans didn't care for him...even after all that winning he did down there, they still found reasons not to like him. me personally, if he can win here like he did at nccu and grambling, he can pretty much do what he wants...as long as it doesn't violate ncaa rules.
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Post by AggieGroove on Apr 1, 2011 9:08:13 GMT -5
I was a manager until I recently lucked up and got promoted. When I came in, I was the meanest s.o.b. on the planet the first six months. Why? Because it's a lot easier to come in mean and pull back the reins than it is to come in all loving and then try to stiffen up. I even told the employees (the ones that were left) as much after they commented "you're a lot nicer than you used to be." You have to let people know that you are not there to be their friend. I was hired to clean up a mess. I did what I had to do and was rewarded with a nice promotion. I had to fire one that couldn't keep up, but I let her know that I was there for her if she needed help and I worked to get her approved for early retirement (behind the scenes, even though everybody eventually figured it out). When I left, the crew was in a whole lot better shape than it was when I got there. That's what it's all about. But yeah, it's been said quite often that Broadway has a very poor mouth. That he does need to work on. I agree and Dooms is exactly right. Start out as a good guy and see what happens...people tend to run all over you! So what is the next step....run to Hilton and tell him the coaches are abusing them? Football is not a everyday workplace....only a few can compete at that level but the focus and team work will help when these guys transition to real life. How many of you remember the tough instructors at A&T who had no respect for you as a person, student and most importantly as a man or woman? Bet you can rattle them off... Now name the easy ones...okay I'm waiting! This team needs Broadway plus you don't know if there is nurturing behind closed doors....more of that is probably going on than you think! Peace!
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 9:17:33 GMT -5
All I can say is, "We'll see"... I already stated that I know it's not the Boy Scouts, or ping pong...or red light green light... yeah it is Football... Human beings playing "FOOTBALL".. the "TOUGHEST" Sport in the world... Yet everyone can say "Go Coach!! Do You!" But you don't want to be on the end receiving it do you...Why? Question still unanswered... lol... " Who on this board would like work day in and day out..lets say for 4 years, under the same style of coaching/ management?" Could you sit at your desk while someone constantly yelled and cussed at you all day???... I want to see someone answer this honestly... No one has yet!
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 9:19:17 GMT -5
I was a manager until I recently lucked up and got promoted. When I came in, I was the meanest s.o.b. on the planet the first six months. Why? Because it's a lot easier to come in mean and pull back the reins than it is to come in all loving and then try to stiffen up. I even told the employees (the ones that were left) as much after they commented "you're a lot nicer than you used to be." You have to let people know that you are not there to be their friend. I was hired to clean up a mess. I did what I had to do and was rewarded with a nice promotion. I had to fire one that couldn't keep up, but I let her know that I was there for her if she needed help and I worked to get her approved for early retirement (behind the scenes, even though everybody eventually figured it out). When I left, the crew was in a whole lot better shape than it was when I got there. That's what it's all about. But yeah, it's been said quite often that Broadway has a very poor mouth. That he does need to work on. I agree and Dooms is exactly right. Start out as a good guy and see what happens...people tend to run all over you! So what is the next step....run to Hilton and tell him the coaches are abusing them? Football is not a everyday workplace....only a few can compete at that level but the focus and team work will help when these guys transition to real life. How many of you remember the tough instructors at A&T who had no respect for you as a person, student and most importantly as a man or woman? Bet you can rattle them off... Now name the easy ones...okay I'm waiting! This team needs Broadway plus you don't know if there is nurturing behind closed doors....more of that is probably going on than you think! Peace! Two of the Best instructors I had at A&T was Dr. Sandine, Physics... and Ernest Sharrod, Electrical Engineering.. Both super "Nice" Guys...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2011 9:28:01 GMT -5
Yet no one answered my question..."Would you work for a boss who supervises like a Yelling cussing at you every waking moment you're Clocked in, or Salaried in coach.... .... i know i'm chiming in late, but i agree with most posters. this ain't the boy scouts, this is football! the most "brutal" sport in the world. no coach could've been more abrasive than bobby knight, i mean none! he even "physically" abused his players. i'm not a big fan of bobby knight, yet bobby knight is the all time winningest division 1 basketball coach ever! ya think he never degraded his players? i'm with most other posters, coach broadway you do you! this is football, not ping pong... also, inthestands, to answer your question directly regarding if i'd like to work for a boss who does the things you allege the coaches of doing, the answer is "no". but my job "prohibits" such language being used in the office place and quite frankly, there's no analogy between the office place and the football field. so the comparison is a poor example in my opinion. but if you asked me if i'd like to play football for a coach who treats his players the way you say broadway does, my answer would be "yes" as long as he treats everyone the same way and as long as he knows his football...
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Post by inthestands on Apr 1, 2011 9:46:03 GMT -5
i know i'm chiming in late, but i agree with most posters. this ain't the boy scouts, this is football! the most "brutal" sport in the world. no coach could've been more abrasive than bobby knight, i mean none! he even "physically" abused his players. i'm not a big fan of bobby knight, yet bobby knight is the all time winningest division 1 basketball coach ever! ya think he never degraded his players? i'm with most other posters, coach broadway you do you! this is football, not ping pong... also, inthestands, to answer your question directly regarding if i'd like to work for a boss who does the things you allege the coaches of doing, the answer is "no". but my job "prohibits" such language being used in the office place and quite frankly, there's no analogy between the office place and the football field. so the comparison is a poor example in my opinion. but if you asked me if i'd like to play football for a coach who treats his players the way you say broadway does, my answer would be "yes" as long as he treats everyone the same way and as long as he knows his football... Thank you... Thats ALL I wanted to hear.... Thank you for answering my question.. How is it a poor comparison? All the Team members are "On Their Job"as an Athlete... They are supposed to be in a "Professional environment" as fas as the School is concerned... Coach effectively is all I'm saying with a bit of Humanity.. Some posters think I want a Soft Coach.. Not the case.. I'm going to put this to rest, in caps... YOU CAN GET YOUR POINT ACROSS IN MORE EFFECTIVE WAYS AND STILL BE A WINNING COACH!!!I've seen it done many many times.....Beating a man's character to within inches of "Snapping" can have catastrophic repercussions... seen that too.....
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Apr 1, 2011 10:21:18 GMT -5
I want to see someone answer this honestly... No one has yet! i answered your question directly and very honestly. please see my post above. look, i'm a former basketball coach and i know how today's young adults are. the language you say the coaches are using is the very same language these young adults (or soon to be young adults) use "everyday" amongst themselves. it is not language they are unaccustomed to using or hearing. now, if this was pop warner or middle school ball, i'd say you have a valid point. but this is college. this is the phase of life where young adults feel they know it all and are willing to challenge persons of authority. you may hear complaints from these young adults now, but once they get use to broadway's style, those complaints will go away. a few may be loss along the way, but the vast majority will accept the discipline and move on. as a high schooler, i had a similar experience as dooms. at practice, we literally "hated" our basketball coach because he was a mean sob and worked the living hail out of us. but off the court, we loved him, we went undefeated during the regular season. a lot of john thompson's players at georgetown said the same thing about big john. and even big john "publicly" admits he verbally abused his players using profanity. yet, thompson's players love him! don't play defense for big john, you better expect to get verbally abused! the same could be said of my high school track coach, another mean sob who we hated at practice. but our track team also went undefeated during the regular season and my track coach was responsible for coaching me to a 3rd place overall finish in the state of north carolina in the triple jump, and this came at a time when north carolina "combined" all classifications (4a, 3a, 2a, 1a) for sectional, regional, and state honors. my suspicion is that the players are just getting use to broadway's coaching style. the ones who can't take it will leave. but as long as he treats all players equally, the vast majority will accept who the hnic is and won't challenge his authority. as someone posted already, the man won championships and national honors at nccu and grambling. why should he change his coaching style now?
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Post by aggiejazz on Apr 1, 2011 10:22:27 GMT -5
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