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Post by antfan2003 on May 16, 2007 12:52:39 GMT -5
Thank you.. I mean we can all get past Lavigne being hired and then leaving.. those are sins of the past.. there is NO way that the strength coach leaving for UNC can be hung on Fobbs as a slight at his choice of people. PERIOD..
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Post by Aggie77 on May 16, 2007 13:04:06 GMT -5
uhhh fyi.. before you take that what difference does it make angle.. from what I hear ... the majority of the team WILL be back for second session. SO it is important and it is vital to the success on the field. so it does make a difference You are right if that happens. The basis of my statement is that it unlikely that the majority will return based on what I heard and the history of the program. It's not so much a majority as it is “the core majority” Unless the majority you speak of falls into the three categories I identified, you are likely wrong and this set back has no impact. It’s equally unlikely that anyone that has a J-O-B for the summer will return until first practice. Again the issue is not S&C but continuity year round.
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Post by jaffejoffa on May 16, 2007 13:20:35 GMT -5
I think a better job needs to be done in screening applicants and making sure that they have a "long term" interest in the program. That is the only way that a legacy and a tradition can be built. To leave someone after 4 months on the job does not speak highly of your employer or the fact that it is so easy to not stay loyal to them. Aside from losing Lavigne, we've also lost a wide receiver coach, numerous strength&conditioning personel and players to transfer and academics. Fobbs has been at 8 schools in the last 10 seasons, with no head coaching experience EVER... I just dont think this is the person who should be charged with the task of rebuilding our program...He is buckeling under all the pressure and making stupid decesions..We dont have the time to wait for a 55 year old coach to blossom and learn his way around the job and who continues to alienate people...We cannot recruit quality athletes who have aspirations of playing on a higher level when there is not even an adequate conditioning program set in place going into the season. Would you send your son to play for a program who constantly turnover rate is extremely high and whose players dont respect those coaches and can read through the B.S ?
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Post by DECKS on May 16, 2007 13:26:14 GMT -5
This truly sounds like one of those instances where you file it under "s*it happens"! Can't blame the man for taking a job at a major D-I school. If we were in his shoes most of us would have done the same thing. I'm actually impressed that we tried to match UNC's offer if all of this is true. I'm more concerned about how we respond to this latest setback. Maybe we should hire an assistant S&C coach or maybe we should seriously consider outsourcing this function.
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Post by JayBee on May 16, 2007 13:30:10 GMT -5
This truly sounds like one of those instances where you file it under "s*it happens"! Can't blame the man for taking a job at a major D-I school. If we were in his shoes most of us would have done the same thing. I'm actually impressed that we tried to match UNC's offer if all of this is true. I'm more concerned about how we respond to this latest setback. Maybe we should hire an assistant S&C coach or maybe we should seriously consider outsourcing this function. Good Point! I think outsourcing would be the way to go!
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Post by aggiejazz on May 16, 2007 13:35:27 GMT -5
Well, A&T must be a great training ground for strength and conditioning coaches because they leave for other jobs after being in Aggieland for a few months. Habor was working at a high school in January of this year. He applied for the A&T S&C job last summer and wasn't chosen. He had only done grad assistance work at two major universities, UNC-Chapel Hill and Illinois University. Low and behold he becomes head S&C coach (and the only S&C coach). He works for three months at A&T and bam!! he is in demand. A&T should be proud. Lets see, in year one, o-fer for the first time in the history of Aggie football, four assistant football coaches (well 3 1/2 coaches) and three S&C coaches are gone. Each incident has its own story and all of them together tell a story...a sad Aggie story. Umm, I wonder what season two will bring us
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Post by DOOMS on May 16, 2007 13:39:54 GMT -5
Ouch.
I think you'd be hard-pressed to find somebody whose lifelong ambition is to be the strength and conditioning coach at A&T. Even the kid that attended A&T and has a lifelong love of the school is going to blink if a major comes calling.
The best programs have assistants constantly being stolen away. The problem with our program is that our assistants are now going to d-3 programs and to rebuild houses in Lousiana as opposed to moving on to larger programs.
The issue here really isn't that the s&c coach left. A lot of folks who simply can't believe how bad we were last year are willing to blame it on a lack of strength. In the words of O.D.B., n**ga please. There are numerous people who still think we can actually win a couple of games this year. Impossible.
The program suffers from the same thing these folks who think we can somehow win a few games this year suffer from. People refuse to simply pay attention and prefer to use hope and gut feeling over common sense and proven methods.
When Bill Hayes was coach the strength and conditioning coach was never an issue. I believe that half the time Spaceman did the strength and conditioning for him. Fobbs, and Todd for that matter come from arenas with much greater resources than we have to offer. They aren't used to bake sale budgets. This is not their fault. Each should've been warned before they were hired and the people making the decisions to hire them should've taken that into account FIRST.
The issue is that our athletic department needs to learn to be successful using as little money as humanly possible. Again I'm all for moving to division II to accomplish this, especially now that the cost of travel will skyrocket again due to fuel prices.
It's ultimately about what A&T and its alumni are willing to accept. I can accept the loss of an s&c coach to Carolina. What I can't accept is having the worst women's basketball program, the worst men's basketball program and the worst football program all in a 10 year period.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 16, 2007 13:53:43 GMT -5
What if this new guy leaves after only a few months? Will it be Fobbs fault then, or will you again just say "isht happens"?
At some point Fobbs has got to be able to hire guys (and keep them here) who can help him win. Bottom line. So far, when it comes to S&C coaches, he hasn't shown an ability to do that.
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Post by AggieMike on May 16, 2007 14:12:29 GMT -5
Carolina has a coach that has coached or recruited 29 first round picks.... We have Lee Fobbs... Nuff said...
I don't blame Fobbs for any of this because I would leave too and don't you think in the most outrageous situation of Texas A&M asking Fobbs to come back in some form or another, I'm pretty sure he'd leave too.
I know a good number of players and most of them will be in the Boro all summer. I'm more surprised that a lot of them have GPAs that aren't in the gutter (minor miracle) but yeah, they are enjoying that two week window where they can't practice and then they are coming back ready to work. I have VIDEO of players working out, running sprints and running up hills ON THEIR OWN this offseason, so I do think some of them care
Pride is kickin' in, when you get laughed at in front of your fellow students and personally tried by freshman girls, it hits you that playing football at A&T doesn't mean what it used to and I think that's a major motivator
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Post by jaffejoffa on May 16, 2007 14:16:02 GMT -5
Aside from personel moves...How does everyone feel about the coaching ability and X's and O's of this staff? We all know that they are VERY unexperienced, but it seemed to me like our best players were out of their natural position, and not even on the field in many instances because of family ties/personal favorites/promises/favors.....I was under the impression that we were Trying to blow games at some point last year, and went with unexperienced JUCO players and freshman rather than proven players that had played under both Hayes and Smalls...
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 16, 2007 14:50:09 GMT -5
I usually don't ban people for making dumb statements on this board, but you are really pushing the envelope. Why would any coach intentionally want to go 0-11?
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Post by jaffejoffa on May 16, 2007 15:34:51 GMT -5
Alexanders Daddy....True story...One of the coaches told a veteran player to quote "Not expect to start on homecoming, b/c there would be alot of alumni in town, and coach wants to show how many freshman and 1st year players that we are starting so that when he tells them that we have a young team and start loads of young talent, they will be more apt to give their money"....True story..I love Aggie football and hate to see it in the hands of a snake, and people who do not know what Aggie Pride is all about. These coaches are in it for personal gain and dont care about the future of the kids. Hell, I heard that Fobbs didnt even allow some of the veteran players to run at the pro timing day and discouraged some scouts from even taking a look at them. Its a shame that some of our players that have given so much to the program the last 4/5 years had to go to other universities to run, when we had our own event. And last year, he neglected to set up the annual pro day for Chamar Milton, Rickie Lewis, Montray Jackson etc, guys who had some decent credentials to at least warrant an opportunity to run and lift in front of scouts. ..Lavigne didnt leave to rebuild houses in NO ( Katrina was a year earlier, and he knew b4 he took the job that his house was destroyed) he quit b/c he saw Fobbs making a mockery of the program, and couldnt stand to be around the guy. Fobbs also has sole descresion of hiring of his strength coach, as he was the one who fired coach cromwell when he arrived in Greensboro.
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Post by Maxell on May 16, 2007 17:03:29 GMT -5
Hmmmm.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 16, 2007 19:09:56 GMT -5
True Story ... I don't believe you or your third-party rumors ... true story ... Lavinge didn't quit, he was fired.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 16, 2007 19:13:59 GMT -5
True story... please name one so-called "veteran player" on our team last year who had a snowball's chance in hell of making an NFL roster.
I am sure Fobbs had to really work hard to convince all those NFL scouts from drafting Wilbert Billingsley and Jermaine Brantley.
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