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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 8, 2009 11:01:09 GMT -5
Actually, Coppin State is a good example of scheduling cupcakes at home.
They even created a cupcake tournament called the Coppin State Classic. In that tournament they played WV Tech and Lincoln (PA). They won each game by double digits.
They also hosted somebody named Washington Adventist University on Nov. 19.
I guess they wanted to give fans in the new arena something to cheer about early on.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 11:23:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure about this point. Eaves has played transfers before like Steve Rush and Bibbs' program is now predicated on freshmen (look at the 3 contributors this year and the girls we are bringing in for 2010). That's true, but at least 1 transfer is a part of every class. That's a trend. Rush is an exception. Furthermore, this team (ladies)hasn't won anything yet. My Bibbs statement was based on the championship team. |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 8, 2009 11:36:00 GMT -5
I'm not sure about this point. Eaves has played transfers before like Steve Rush and Bibbs' program is now predicated on freshmen (look at the 3 contributors this year and the girls we are bringing in for 2010). and not only that, but isn't joshua a transfer? wasn't ed jones a transfer, too? aahhbigboy, its not so much about whether or not you sign transfers. coaches don't pick players, players pick coaches... |
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 11:38:31 GMT -5
and aahhbigboy, i challenge you to pull every single meac teams' schedule and you'll find the mass majority of them schedule cupcakes. and yes, bozeman does too relative to the talent he has on his team. a cupcake to morgan may not be a cupcake to a&t. and even fang mitchell scheduled cupcakes this year now that he doesn't need to raise money to build a new arena anymore. your philosophy is geared towards individual play, not team building. yes, when you play against a superior athlete, it forces you to raise your game. but that's not the same as team building. just because you raise "your game" doesn't mean you're gonna execute your offense successfully. in the early season, coaches want to see their stuff executed correctly. they aren't necessarily looking for one-on-one play... We've been team building for 8 freaking years. lol. I don't want a builder to take 3 years to build a 1200 square foot house. And I like the way you put "relative to their talent" in there. That's hilarious. And Fang has some cupcakes this year, but the year that they won the tourney..........they didn't so go figure. Also, Jack has been struggling lately. And look at his schedule. Then go back to '04, '05, '06 etc when Jack was whippin azz and look at the schedule then! No cupcakes. I don't think it has a huge impact but it's noteworthy. People/organizations with championship mentalities want to learn from, compete against, and defeat the BEST! And don't forget, I'm just saying that this is only part of the problem we have (our mentality). But maybe we'll get there in Eaves' 11th or 12th year or so and everybody will forget the prevous years. lol |
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 11:41:25 GMT -5
I'm not sure about this point. Eaves has played transfers before like Steve Rush and Bibbs' program is now predicated on freshmen (look at the 3 contributors this year and the girls we are bringing in for 2010). and not only that, but isn't joshua a transfer? wasn't ed jones a transfer, too? aahhbigboy, its not so much about whether or not you sign transfers. coaches don't pick players, players pick coaches... That's true. But 7-8 years and 4-5 transfers isn't saying much. And Rush and Jones were super, major contributers!!!! That's more reason to keep going to that well! |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 8, 2009 11:52:05 GMT -5
If Eaves was recruiting nothing but juco and D1 transfers and still not winning championships, everyone on here would be saying he's a lousy coach because he can recruit HS players.
Eaves had a ton of juco players a couple of years ago (remember the white point guard we had from Maryland and all those scrubs). Dr. Julian was a transfer. Nick Wilson was a transfer from Bowling Green.
I think you just have to get the best players you can who can help your program. Bibbs will recruit HS blue chippers but she is not going to pass up on a top transfer from a D1 program if they can help her team.
You also have to look at the low graduation rates of most JUCO transfer and how they might hurt your program in the longterm.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 8, 2009 11:57:22 GMT -5
Hell, even Austin Ewing was a Juco transfer.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 8, 2009 12:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 12:10:18 GMT -5
If Eaves was recruiting nothing but juco and D1 transfers and still not winning championships, everyone on here would be saying he's a lousy coach because he can recruit HS players. Eaves had a ton of juco players a couple of years ago (remember the white point guard we had from Maryland and all those scrubs). Jason Wills was a juco transfer. Dr. Julian was a transfer. Nick Wilson was a transfer from Bowling Green. I think you just have to get the best players you can who can help your program. Bibbs will recruit HS blue chippers but she is not going to pass up on a top transfer from a D1 program if they can help her team. You also have to look at the low graduation rates of most JUCO transfer and how they might hurt your program in the longterm. That is true. You can't base you whole recruiting class around transfers. No one can. But look at who we would say our best players were. Wills, Ewing, Rush, and Jones. All had some development before throwing them into the fire but I'm not sure if they're the kind of transfers that will help win chips. And you can only take certain kinds. Super athletes and big men should come from transfers in the MEAC. That's why Bibbs won (here at T) and that is why Bozeman is winning! Jackson won titles with them consistently and so did Fang. So there is something to be said about transfers and this conference. |
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 12:13:08 GMT -5
Many of those transfers didn't contribute did they? |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 8, 2009 12:21:15 GMT -5
Let's see.
In 2006-07, we had Steve Rush (starter), Austin Ewing (starter), Glenn Nelson (backup point guard), Patrick Gregg(scrub) and Nick Wilson (key role player).
In 2007-08, we had Steve Rush (starter), Austin Ewing (starter), Glenn Nelson (backup point guard), patrick Gregg(scrub), Ed Jones (starter), Dr. Julian (scrub), Nick Wilson (key role player).
In 2008-09, we had Ed Jones (starter), Nick Wilson (key role player), Dwane Joshua (key role player), Dr. Julian (role player)
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 8, 2009 12:23:11 GMT -5
and aahhbigboy, i challenge you to pull every single meac teams' schedule and you'll find the mass majority of them schedule cupcakes. and yes, bozeman does too relative to the talent he has on his team. a cupcake to morgan may not be a cupcake to a&t. and even fang mitchell scheduled cupcakes this year now that he doesn't need to raise money to build a new arena anymore. your philosophy is geared towards individual play, not team building. yes, when you play against a superior athlete, it forces you to raise your game. but that's not the same as team building. just because you raise "your game" doesn't mean you're gonna execute your offense successfully. in the early season, coaches want to see their stuff executed correctly. they aren't necessarily looking for one-on-one play... We've been team building for 8 freaking years. lol. I don't want a builder to take 3 years to build a 1200 square foot house. And I like the way you put "relative to their talent" in there. That's hilarious. And Fang has some cupcakes this year, but the year that they won the tourney..........they didn't so go figure. Also, Jack has been struggling lately. And look at his schedule. Then go back to '04, '05, '06 etc when Jack was whippin azz and look at the schedule then! No cupcakes. I don't think it has a huge impact but it's noteworthy. People/organizations with championship mentalities want to learn from, compete against, and defeat the BEST! And don't forget, I'm just saying that this is only part of the problem we have (our mentality). But maybe we'll get there in Eaves' 11th or 12th year or so and everybody will forget the prevous years. lol aahhbigboy, its almost useless to debate with you. 95% of all college coaches disagree with you, but you think you're smarter than them? your logic isn't based on principle, your logic is based on how much talent a team has. for example, the year fang won the championship, his schedule had literally nothing to do with it. fang won the championship because he happened to have the best player in the league on his team by the name of ty mckee. bozeman won the championship because he had the best talent and bibbs won the championship because she had the best talent. so all you're doing is looking at a team that's won a championship and claiming they won it because of their schedule which is ridiculous. as i stated previously, if you have a veteran team with most of your top players returning, you don't need the cupcakes as much. fang, bozeman, and bibbs all won championships because they had the best talent. in college, success comes down to recruiting, not scheduling. don't believe me, ask john thompson. you can schedule the toughest teams in america all you want, but if you don't have talent, you still ain't gonna win no championships. bozeman, by far, has the most talent and size in the meac. so he can afford to play a tougher schedule because he'll have some 20 point wins in the meac. do you think eaves has the talent to leisurely run off 20 point wins in the meac? you think if he replaced the 3 cupcakes with more stiff competition, he'll leisurely run off 20 point wins in the meac? like i said, almost every college coach in america disagrees with your philosophy. yet, despite that, you still think you're right! its useless to even debate with you... |
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 12:37:25 GMT -5
Let's see. In 2006-07, we had Steve Rush (starter), Austin Ewing (starter), Glenn Nelson (backup point guard), Patrick Gregg(scrub) and Nick Wilson (key role player). In 2007-08, we had Steve Rush (starter), Austin Ewing (starter), Glenn Nelson (backup point guard), patrick Gregg(scrub), Ed Jones (starter), Dr. Julian (scrub), Nick Wilson (key role player). In 2008-09, we had Ed Jones (starter), Nick Wilson (key role player), Dwane Joshua (key role player), Dr. Julian (role player) I think we'd probably disagree on "key role player". lol. And high schoolers could have done everything that these players did.........with the exception of Rush and Jones. Kinda proves my point. |
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 8, 2009 12:44:10 GMT -5
Huh? You original point was that Eaves built his program around HS players that aren't ready to play and he didn't recruit enough transfers. So how does this prove your point? LOL
... and then you say HS players could do anything most of Eaves' transfers did, as if he should have recruited more HS players instead of transfers.
I think I hear that Gnarls Barkley song playing again ....
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 12:45:36 GMT -5
bozeman, by far, has the most talent and size in the meac. so he can afford to play a tougher schedule because he'll have some 20 point wins in the meac. do you think eaves has the talent to leisurely run off 20 point wins in the meac? you think if he replaced the 3 cupcakes with more stiff competition, he'll leisurely run off 20 point wins in the meac? like i said, almost every college coach in america disagrees with your philosophy. yet, despite that, you still think you're right! its useless to even debate with you... There you go reading what you want to read again. I keep saying that I'm only referring to teams on our level! So 95% of coaches don't even qualify. I've also said that I don't think it directly correlates to championships. So all of that you typed means nothing man. |
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