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Post by pj on Dec 7, 2009 14:24:51 GMT -5
Oleschool, thanks. Man the Women Players got me caught up...It made me 'close ranks.' Normally I say a few things during the game such as 'D-Up' as if it is during practice. But NSU had a huge pep band, had brothers along the sidelines at the opposite end & the game was furious the last 3 mins. I forgot how much I loved AWAY games. Shi!, It made me remember Joe Brawner vs NCCU in Durham, putting the team on his back down the stretch, or Amber B hitting that big shot during the MEAC Tourny, when the team was, in a rare moment , trying to stop the foe's run and Amber hit that 3' and beat her heart about 3 times! The Aggies went wild! All you need is one AGGIE PRIDE chant & it's picked up immediately! Well during this game I dont know if we had pulled even or not, but I knew we had made a run. And we were rolling! It was no hope for me...I was in over my head.
I forgot who mentioned that two -man game (in this thread) that Porter & T Alston got into near the end, but NSU could not stop it. They were trying to switch & all of that, while T Alson was knocking them down, or Ported getting fouled. Now Porter is not going to dunk. We have to live with that. He needs a head of steam. Coleman only needs one step to dunk, or block your shot. He's tied for 14th nationally in blocks, the last time i looked. So it is what it is. This Dec road trip will make a difference one way or another.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 7, 2009 15:33:10 GMT -5
it was the first time i'd seen the men play live this year and i'm not prepared to rule out that these guys could "possibly" finish in the top two. it would be quite a stretch to predict that we'll beat out morgan, but i wouldn't be surprised if we upset them in corbett. our men really have good potential. it just depends on how consistent we'll be.
from what i saw in that one game, eaves definitely has multiple threats from 3 point land on his roster. but whether or not they can consistently knock 'em down night in, night out, is a whole different story. it appears that we have a lot more depth than we had last year and this team is fun to watch!
too bad that our next 4 games are on the road against major d1's. so for those who feel we shouldn't play 1 or 2 cupcakes, imagine what our record would now be if we had replaced our early season cupcakes with stiff competition. we'd probably be 1-8 by now with 4 more beatdowns on the way...
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 7, 2009 18:04:16 GMT -5
Every competitor wants to win every game, but if you're an HBCU................who cares about the overall record? That only helps mediocre coaches get extensions. Take those @ss whippings (and the money it brings) from the major D1's and learn from them. For players on our level, you don't learn anything by playing cupcakes. Every year, the team that wins the regular season and/or conference tourney does not play rooty toot cupcakes. Bibbs doesn't do it and there are people up here that think she's the best coach since Naismith.
And never forget, and especially for a MEAC school. The only record that matters right now is 1-0 in the conference.
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Post by aggiejazz on Dec 7, 2009 18:37:40 GMT -5
The Aggies are not comfortable with running the offensive set right now but they did enough of it to get open shots against Norfolk State. Once they become more confident and efficient in running their offensive set they will get a lot of back doors and a lot more open shots. Most of the Aggies' MEAC opponents will not play defense beyond three passes and definitely not past 4 good passes. The only time NSU defense looked good was when the Aggies stood around on offense and didn't move the ball.
Most of the Aggies 3-pt shots looked fine because they came off of passes from the offensive sets. The shots simple did not fall. There were only a few 3-pt shots that were forced by a couple of the players. The Aggies' offense didn't look ragged most of the game.
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Post by DECKS on Dec 7, 2009 18:41:21 GMT -5
Every competitor wants to win every game, but if you're an HBCU................who cares about the overall record? That only helps mediocre coaches get extensions. Take those @ss whippings (and the money it brings) from the major D1's and learn from them. For players on our level, you don't learn anything by playing cupcakes. Every year, the team that wins the regular season and/or conference tourney does not play rooty toot cupcakes. Bibbs doesn't do it and there are people up here that think she's the best coach since Naismith. And never forget, and especially for a MEAC school. The only record that matters right now is 1-0 in the conference.Agree 100%.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 7, 2009 21:28:27 GMT -5
They play 13 out of conference games 3 of them are cupcakes easy victories at home. News flash they play 10 other quality oppenents!!!! 9 of them on the road and one at home. I would much rather they play a CIAA Team or two before MEAC play; but to say those three games will prevent them from getting better or winning the MEAC is crazy.
You guys make it seem as though the entire non conference schedule is weak. There is nothig wrong with beating up on lesser competition just to try some different sets and get your legs under you.
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Post by Aggie9195 on Dec 7, 2009 22:30:09 GMT -5
Agree 100%!
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 6:50:48 GMT -5
They play 13 out of conference games 3 of them are cupcakes easy victories at home. News flash they play 10 other quality oppenents!!!! 9 of them on the road and one at home. I would much rather they play a CIAA Team or two before MEAC play; but to say those three games will prevent them from getting better or winning the MEAC is crazy. You guys make it seem as though the entire non conference schedule is weak. There is nothig wrong with beating up on lesser competition just to try some different sets and get your legs under you. Ludicrous. You put new sets in during practice and run it against people that know what's coming. That helps you to fine tune it. Missing out on 3 more money games ultimately hurts the university and doesn't expose the kids to more adversity. And adversity builds character. And we lack character (identity) at times. And keep this in mind.....the teams that win our league don't do it. Guys or gals. So to defend it is senseless. We're the only one bringing teams in like that to beat up on and there is no clear reason why. Except that it's a formula that works for his contract situation.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Dec 8, 2009 8:16:59 GMT -5
They will have the opportunity to face plenghty of adversity in those 10 other games. No you are wrong they dont have to be drubbed every single game to get better. In those 9 other road games they will more than contribute their fair share to the budget.
There is no way those three games keep us from winning a MEAC champ; might be whole lot other reasons but this aint it . Crazy
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Post by aggieman007 on Dec 8, 2009 8:52:42 GMT -5
UNC Basketball schedule
Date Opponent* Result Record Nov. 9, 2009 Florida Int'l (ESPNU) W 88-72 1-0 CUP CAKE Nov. 11, 2009 NC CENTRAL (ESPNU) W 89-42 2-0 CUP CAKE Nov. 15, 2009 Valparaiso (Fox SS) W 88-77 3-0 Nov. 19, 2009 at Ohio State1 (ESPN2) W 77-73 4-0 Nov. 20, 2009 at Syracuse2 (ESPN2) L 87-71 4-1 Nov. 23, 2009 Gardner-Webb (Fox SS) W 93-72 5-1 CUP CAKE Nov. 29, 2009 Nevada (FSN) W 80-73 6-1 Dec. 1, 2009 Michigan State (ESPN) W 89-82 7-1 Dec. 5, 2009 at Kentucky (CBS) L 68-66 7-2 Dec. 12, 2009 PRESBYTERIAN 7:30 pm ET | Tickets BIG CUP CAKE Dec. 19, 2009 at Texas (ESPN) 2:00 pm ET | Tickets Dec. 22, 2009 Marshall (Fox SS) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets Dec. 28, 2009 Rutgers (ESPN2) 8:30 pm ET | Tickets Dec. 30, 2009 Albany (ESPNU) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets CUP CAKE Jan. 4, 2010 at C of Charleston (ESPNU) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets CUP CAKE Jan. 10, 2010 Virginia Tech (FSN) 7:45 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 13, 2010 at Clemson (ESPN) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 16, 2010 Georgia Tech (ESPN) 2:00 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 20, 2010 Wake Forest (ESPN) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 26, 2010 at NC State (Ray/Com) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 31, 2010 Virginia (FSN) 7:45 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 4, 2010 at Virginia Tech (Ray/Com) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 7, 2010 at Maryland (FSN) 2:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 10, 2010 Duke (Ray/Com) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 13, 2010 NC State (ESPN) 4:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 16, 2010 at Georgia Tech (Ray/Com) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 20, 2010 at Boston College (CBS) 12:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 24, 2010 Florida State (ESPN) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 27, 2010 at Wake Forest (CBS) 2:00 pm ET | Tickets Mar. 2, 2010 Miami-FL (Ray/Com) 8:00 pm ET | Tickets Mar. 6, 2010 at Duke (ESPN) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets
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Look at UNC schedule your theory is crazy
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 8, 2009 9:02:06 GMT -5
While I hate our non-conference home schedule this year, I don't think 3 cupcake games will make a difference on our conference title chances ... especially since we are more than balancing out those cupcake games with a slew of tough road opponents.
The main thing those cupcakes hurt is your home attendance and fan enthusiasm. Unless you were a diehard fan of the program there was not much reason to come out to Corbett this semester.
I think we missed out on a chance to attract some new fans before the holiday break.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 10:35:38 GMT -5
UNC Basketball schedule Date Opponent* Result Record Nov. 9, 2009 Florida Int'l (ESPNU) W 88-72 1-0 CUP CAKE Nov. 11, 2009 NC CENTRAL (ESPNU) W 89-42 2-0 CUP CAKE Nov. 15, 2009 Valparaiso (Fox SS) W 88-77 3-0 Nov. 19, 2009 at Ohio State1 (ESPN2) W 77-73 4-0 Nov. 20, 2009 at Syracuse2 (ESPN2) L 87-71 4-1 Nov. 23, 2009 Gardner-Webb (Fox SS) W 93-72 5-1 CUP CAKE Nov. 29, 2009 Nevada (FSN) W 80-73 6-1 Dec. 1, 2009 Michigan State (ESPN) W 89-82 7-1 Dec. 5, 2009 at Kentucky (CBS) L 68-66 7-2 Dec. 12, 2009 PRESBYTERIAN 7:30 pm ET | Tickets BIG CUP CAKE Dec. 19, 2009 at Texas (ESPN) 2:00 pm ET | Tickets Dec. 22, 2009 Marshall (Fox SS) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets Dec. 28, 2009 Rutgers (ESPN2) 8:30 pm ET | Tickets Dec. 30, 2009 Albany (ESPNU) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets CUP CAKE Jan. 4, 2010 at C of Charleston (ESPNU) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets CUP CAKE Jan. 10, 2010 Virginia Tech (FSN) 7:45 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 13, 2010 at Clemson (ESPN) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 16, 2010 Georgia Tech (ESPN) 2:00 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 20, 2010 Wake Forest (ESPN) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 26, 2010 at NC State (Ray/Com) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Jan. 31, 2010 Virginia (FSN) 7:45 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 4, 2010 at Virginia Tech (Ray/Com) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 7, 2010 at Maryland (FSN) 2:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 10, 2010 Duke (Ray/Com) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 13, 2010 NC State (ESPN) 4:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 16, 2010 at Georgia Tech (Ray/Com) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 20, 2010 at Boston College (CBS) 12:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 24, 2010 Florida State (ESPN) 7:00 pm ET | Tickets Feb. 27, 2010 at Wake Forest (CBS) 2:00 pm ET | Tickets Mar. 2, 2010 Miami-FL (Ray/Com) 8:00 pm ET | Tickets Mar. 6, 2010 at Duke (ESPN) 9:00 pm ET | Tickets aahhbigboy Look at UNC schedule your theory is crazy I put specific statements in my original post in bold for people like you. I am only talking about players/teams ON OUR LEVEL. What reasonable person compares T to UNC? C'mon man.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Dec 8, 2009 10:44:45 GMT -5
They will have the opportunity to face plenghty of adversity in those 10 other games. No you are wrong they dont have to be drubbed every single game to get better. In those 9 other road games they will more than contribute their fair share to the budget. There is no way those three games keep us from winning a MEAC champ; might be whole lot other reasons but this aint it . Crazy I'm not singling that one thing out. I'm more or less pointing out how many things that we do that the winners don't. Our style of play, our schedule, our recruiting etc. You start putting it all together and you start to realize why we are where we are. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that playing 3 rooty toots is why Eaves can't win championships. I'm saying that it adds to why we're not elite. Let me clarify for those of you that are kind of slow. Recruiting - Bibbs/Bozeman takes jucos/transfers, lets them play and wins every year. Eaves builds off freshman that are often times not quite ready to play. Scheduling - Bibbs/Bozeman plays tough competition nearly every time out and pretty much mop up the conference. They treat the conference as their "rooty toots". Style of play - Bozeman's style is to run multiple half court sets, takes good shots, and control tempo. Eaves likes to run up and down and take 3's all night and hope for the best. Maybe that will help you to understand where I'm coming from. But, his way of doing keeps us from going 1-26, so I guess I should be estatic right? I'll try.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Dec 8, 2009 10:51:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure about this point. Eaves has played transfers before like Steve Rush and Bibbs' program is now predicated on freshmen (look at the 3 contributors this year and the girls we are bringing in for 2010).
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Dec 8, 2009 10:52:15 GMT -5
They play 13 out of conference games 3 of them are cupcakes easy victories at home. News flash they play 10 other quality oppenents!!!! 9 of them on the road and one at home. I would much rather they play a CIAA Team or two before MEAC play; but to say those three games will prevent them from getting better or winning the MEAC is crazy. You guys make it seem as though the entire non conference schedule is weak. There is nothig wrong with beating up on lesser competition just to try some different sets and get your legs under you. Ludicrous. You put new sets in during practice and run it against people that know what's coming. That helps you to fine tune it. Missing out on 3 more money games ultimately hurts the university and doesn't expose the kids to more adversity. And adversity builds character. And we lack character (identity) at times. And keep this in mind.....the teams that win our league don't do it. Guys or gals. So to defend it is senseless. We're the only one bringing teams in like that to beat up on and there is no clear reason why. Except that it's a formula that works for his contract situation. you simply don't understand the process called "team building". you cannot run your sets in practice against your own players and get a true sense of how effective it is because unlike opposing teams, the players that you run it against already knows the plays! you have to run your stuff against teams that don't know your plays in order to get a true assessment of how effective your guys are running your system. and the problem with "only" running it against superior competition is that often it doesn't work because your opponent has better athletes than you. for example, if eaves' bread and butter style of offense is to "run and gun", it would be foolish to play that style against a team that has athletes that are far better suited for that style than yours. so a superior team will force you out of that style. why get into a run and gun against a team that has far better athletes than you? the purpose of playing a couple of cupcakes in the early season is; 1. to take the pressure off your team and allow them to execute your system "throughout its entirety". a superior team won't allow you to do that, they have the athletes to disrupt your sets so that you never get around to seeing options 2, 3, 4, and so on of your offense. 2. when playing superior competition, players 8, 9, and 10 at the end of the bench, do not get meaningful playing time. if you always play superior competition, how does players 8, 9, and 10 get meaningful game experience? 3. when you have players that play a new position "for the first time" (i.e., witter for the men and sams for the ladies), you don't want them matched up against a superior player with more experience at that position until your guy becomes comfortable playing their new position. it'll only destroy their confidence. 4. against superior competition, you don't have the flexibility to "experiment" with different combinations of players because you stand to get blown out. but you can experiment against a cupcake without jeopardizing the outcome of the game. 5. last but not least, your team can't build confidence if they're losing every game. they need to see and feel success at least a couple of times while they're repeatedly getting their lunch handed to them against the big boys. now, if you have a "veteran team" returning that includes most, if not all of your top players from the previous year, then you don't need the cupcakes as much because you're not trying to redefine your team, plus your players will already know your system. in a case like this, i don't have a problem with not playing cupcakes. bibbs' team from last year is a perfect example of this. they didn't need cupcakes on the schedule for the reasons i've just stated. its untrue that eaves brings cupcakes in just to help his contract situation. the "overwhelming mass majority" of coaches schedule early season cupcakes for the reasons i've stated above. yes, its also intended to pad the record, but that's not amongst the most important reasons for it. and aahhbigboy, i challenge you to pull every single meac teams' schedule and you'll find the mass majority of them schedule cupcakes. and yes, bozeman does too relative to the talent he has on his team. a cupcake to morgan may not be a cupcake to a&t. and even fang mitchell scheduled cupcakes this year now that he doesn't need to raise money to build a new arena anymore. your philosophy is geared towards individual play, not team building. yes, when you play against a superior athlete, it forces you to raise your game. but that's not the same as team building. just because you raise "your game" doesn't mean you're gonna execute your offense successfully. in the early season, coaches want to see their stuff executed correctly. they aren't necessarily looking for one-on-one play...
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