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Post by planoaggie on Nov 8, 2023 5:52:53 GMT -5
If the game is gonna sellout regardless, what difference does it make financially if we schedule a HBCU or not? Playing SCSU will get 13K in the stands vs playing Rhode Island that will draw 8k fans. Better to play Rhode Island at GHOE to get 21500 in attendance. More money for the school in this scenario. I am trying to fully understand your post. Please correct me if I made the wrong assumption regarding your statements. 1. GHOE is sold out so you can't make any more money on the sale of the game tickets. 2. The Game Zone is packed, yet the seats in the stadium are not full during the game giving the appearance if watched on TV the game is not sold out. 3. You feel playing HBCU schools vs PWI will get more people from "only" socializing within the Game Zone to actually enjoying "both" the Game Zone for awhile and eventually watching the game within the stadium. 4. The more money for the school comment is in reference to the food, merchandise, etc sold inside the stadium, since A&T does not get anything (an assumption on my part) on the food consumed in the Game Zone. QUESTION TO ANYONE I always buy a ticket and watch the game and BGMM when I attend GHOE. Does A&T sell "Entry to the Game Zone Only" tickets for those not interested in watching the game? Trying to determine if there is a correlation between the Game Zone attendance and actual game attendance that I and maybe others are overlooking that have already been discussed here or elsewhere.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 8, 2023 7:07:00 GMT -5
Broadway made no apologies about wanting to schedule patsies for home games when he first got to A&T. We said that is what the big schools do and we need to follow that model. Maybe Brown needs to follow suit and try to schedule a D2 HBCU every year. Absolutely. We're in program building mode here, and in a tougher conference. Plus that "school" up 85 is a lot better than what they were. Scheduling a very bad d2 hbcu for homecoming (with a decent band) and a very, very bad FCS program wouldn't hurt imo. Of course, Broadway was seasoned and had a bully pulpit when he got here. Brown has a tight contract (I guess) but can he walk in and make the same demands. Does he even want to?
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 8, 2023 7:14:00 GMT -5
The more money for the school comment is in reference to the food, merchandise, etc sold inside the stadium, since A&T does not get anything (an assumption on my part) on the food consumed in the Game Zone. I believe A&T just rents out the in-stadium concession areas to the food vendors for a certain fee and the vendors are allowed to keep all the profits. Thus, it doesn't matter how many people attend the games or visit the concession areas because A&T would still get the same rental fee. I dont believe there is any profit sharing.
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Post by Bornthrilla on Nov 8, 2023 7:16:49 GMT -5
Of course, Broadway was seasoned and had a bully pulpit when he got here. Brown has a tight contract (I guess) but can he walk in and make the same demands. Does he even want to? Brown had a clear mandate and a bully pulpit when he first arrived here, but it probably is not as strong now. For instance, I doubt he will try to suspend half his players this upcoming spring for academics like he did this past year.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 8, 2023 7:37:36 GMT -5
If they're not making the grade, what choice in that matter does he have?
Hopefully he won't have to.
But my point is directed towards the GHOE issues of wanting to have some cake (an hbcu opponent) and eat it to (actually have a shot at winning the game).
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Post by planoaggie on Nov 8, 2023 7:55:15 GMT -5
The more money for the school comment is in reference to the food, merchandise, etc sold inside the stadium, since A&T does not get anything (an assumption on my part) on the food consumed in the Game Zone. I believe A&T just rents out the in-stadium concession areas to the food vendors for a certain fee and the vendors are allowed to keep all the profits. Thus, it doesn't matter how many people attend the games or visit the concession areas because A&T would still get the same rental fee. I dont believe there is any profit sharing. Thanks. If correct, then I am not sure how "A&T" makes more money in reference to that specific comment. Other than ticket sales, does A&T get any monetary percentage of anything that happens within the Game Zone?
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Post by ohsixrain on Nov 8, 2023 8:52:38 GMT -5
Some of the Community Brothers suggest that we play an HBCU for Homecoming. Due to a potential Band Match-up and possibly their Fans wanting to enjoy GHOE. I agree...also, I know a few former football players that feel that the culture around the football program has changed and is currently eroding. I get the "Stay off the Track" situation in all but, football players get energy when they can look at the sideline and see a Lamar Raynard, Tarik Cohen or a JaMaine Martin cheering them on. I think our leadership needs to revisit the policies that they have put in place that can erode perceived competitive advantage. I can appreciate having leadership always trying to stay proactive but, sometimes you can over-think things as well and this is one of them.
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Post by ohsixrain on Nov 8, 2023 9:09:23 GMT -5
From a football perspective, all I wanted to see was our team come out and play loose and the coaches try some new things. Just play with not pressure...Hell nothing was on the line. But, we come out with the same conservative offensive play-calls until we fell behind 14-0 then, we opened up the book more. Well....still not good enough. As you guys mentioned, we should have been able to see some backyard football to some degree just to make it interesting and entertaining. But, to have a successful play then, flip it to the other side of the field on the next play...again, not good enough. Coach B has important decisions to make very soon.
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Post by The Professor on Nov 8, 2023 9:15:39 GMT -5
So are you saying A&T fans care more about HBCU opponents than PWI opponents? Scheduling an HBCU for non-GHOE home games would generate an average increase of 5,000 more fans? Is that your argument? I think they care about certain HBCU opponents vs just any HBCU opponents And there is plenty of data to back that up
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Post by The Professor on Nov 8, 2023 9:19:23 GMT -5
Some of the Community Brothers suggest that we play an HBCU for Homecoming. Due to a potential Band Match-up and possibly their Fans wanting to enjoy GHOE. Why do we care about opposing schools fans? I will always be against a school bringing their band for homecoming. 1. Takes seats away because they will get a dedicated GA section 2. Takes away from the halftime show of our band. This is the only performance many see all year. BGMM Should get majority of time and then the check presentations etc.
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Post by The Professor on Nov 8, 2023 9:23:25 GMT -5
If the game is gonna sell out regardless, what difference does it make financially if we schedule a HBCU or not? It matters because u can use that HBCU game to drive attendance for a regular contest. GHOE is going to get 21500 no matter who we play. What Aggie2039 is saying is why play that HBCU for GHOE when they will be a better draw than other schools for a regular game
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Post by The Professor on Nov 8, 2023 9:25:35 GMT -5
Some of the Community Brothers suggest that we play an HBCU for Homecoming. Due to a potential Band Match-up and possibly their Fans wanting to enjoy GHOE. I agree...also, I know a few former football players that feel that the culture around the football program has changed and is currently eroding. I get the "Stay off the Track" situation in all but, football players get energy when they can look at the sideline and see a Lamar Raynard, Tarik Cohen or a JaMaine Martin cheering them on. I think our leadership needs to revisit the policies that they have put in place that can erode perceived competitive advantage. I can appreciate having leadership always trying to stay proactive but, sometimes you can over-think things as well and this is one of them. We lost Homecoming in 21 under Washington Weren't the former players on the sidelines then?
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 8, 2023 9:28:05 GMT -5
Broadway made no apologies about wanting to schedule patsies for home games when he first got to A&T. We said that is what the big schools do and we need to follow that model. Maybe Brown needs to follow suit and try to schedule a D2 HBCU every year. Absolutely. We're in program building mode here, and in a tougher conference. Plus that "school" up 85 is a lot better than what they were. Scheduling a very bad d2 hbcu for homecoming (with a decent band) and a very, very bad FCS program wouldn't hurt imo. Of course, Broadway was seasoned and had a bully pulpit when he got here. Brown has a tight contract (I guess) but can he walk in and make the same demands. Does he even want to? We had Norfolk State this year and a few more times before 2030 and we will get WSSU for our 2024 home opener. Also, SC State is gonna be bad for a few years. So we’ll have plenty of spots for cupcakes sprinkled into a tough schedule overall.
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Post by westcoastaggie on Nov 8, 2023 9:28:39 GMT -5
I agree...also, I know a few former football players that feel that the culture around the football program has changed and is currently eroding. I get the "Stay off the Track" situation in all but, football players get energy when they can look at the sideline and see a Lamar Raynard, Tarik Cohen or a JaMaine Martin cheering them on. I think our leadership needs to revisit the policies that they have put in place that can erode perceived competitive advantage. I can appreciate having leadership always trying to stay proactive but, sometimes you can over-think things as well and this is one of them. We lost Homecoming in 21 under Washington Weren't the former players on the sidelines then? They had no affect on Monmouth and probably would have affected Towson.
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Post by DOOMS on Nov 8, 2023 12:56:11 GMT -5
Absolutely. We're in program building mode here, and in a tougher conference. Plus that "school" up 85 is a lot better than what they were. Scheduling a very bad d2 hbcu for homecoming (with a decent band) and a very, very bad FCS program wouldn't hurt imo. Of course, Broadway was seasoned and had a bully pulpit when he got here. Brown has a tight contract (I guess) but can he walk in and make the same demands. Does he even want to? We had Norfolk State this year and a few more times before 2030 and we will get WSSU for our 2024 home opener. Also, SC State is gonna be bad for a few years. So we’ll have plenty of spots for cupcakes sprinkled into a tough schedule overall. Do we have any of them for homecoming?
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