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Post by aggieclt on Oct 21, 2023 19:06:25 GMT -5
So, Yeager has fallen from starter vs. Buzzards & at Elon to..3rd string??
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 21, 2023 19:27:02 GMT -5
Saabman, I have no doubt White is missing wide open receivers and backs, but I have a question for you. In every game wide open receivers/backs are overlooked even in the NFL. Wideout come to the bench passed that the QB missed them, especially when they take a look at the tabletop iPad on the bench of the play. My question to you is how much more is White not seeing the open receivers than the normal amount of overlooks every QB commits? If it is about the same, then to me the play calling is a problem or White is intentionally overlooking those throws. If he is overlooking wide open receivers/backs more than normal, then in my opinion that is a development problem for White. He is just not ready to be that great player right now. His football IQ needs to increase. A crude way to determine this is to look at the last few games and see how many receivers/backs the opposing team QB overlooked. I don't want to knock him down too much on his ability to find open players if is average compared to other QBs. Now completion percentage is a different story. You not knocking him down because your correct. But the problem is it's not just White it's all of the QB's that have played so far . I always rewatch each game to see if I could be reading more into my assignment. I also watch the competitions qb's too . Our 3 qb's have missed far more open receivers then the norm. Where as the competitions qb's would spread out the ball and take what is given RB's TE' or just open receivers in general 5,10 or 15 yards at a pop and let the receivers do the work to get the extra yards . Most of the teams that we have played use simple routes system, but the defiance is the QB's see the field and utilize all of there weapons and yes you miss open receivers but you also make easy throws to the one's that are open and don't over look a 5 or 10 yard completion for a 20 yd throw into double coverage that is the difference. I can Overlook whites shortcomings reason being. When he uses all of his receivers we move the ball steadily downfield so I know he can do it. But then something happens and the light goes off and he starts holding the ball again and overlooks the weapons that got him down field and try to make plays with his legs . That is not an uncommon behavior for young quarterbacks because they are trying to live up to all the hype and what got them to this level. But to be a good quarterback you must learn to move the ball and use your tools not just your legs. Don't get it twisted coaching has a part in this and it should be pointed out to the young man, his job is to move the ball Dink and dunking pitch and catch, finding the open man the big play will come , so why are you reverting back to your bad habits ,when you have just moved the ball down the field . We know he can run and has a strong arm but he has to learn on field personnel management and that means letting receivers do the work for you and not waiting plays by forcing the ball when a 5 or ten yard pass catch and run will do . Hell it is not hard to generate 200 yards in passing with a pitch and catch system because a catch and run adds to the QB's yardage total just like a 20 or 30 yard catch with no run after the catch . That's all that Richmond, Nova,Delaware and Elon did not big chunks but consistent easy throw chunks . Hell Tom Brady made a career off of Dink and dunk pitch catch and run passes. Hell Tom Terrific didn't really throw deep until he got Randy Moss . White has that ability because he has shown glimpses of his ability to do that but he has to develop his IQ because the talent is there. And I think sometimes people confuse physical Talent with mental and IQ Talent with are two different things. But you hit all of the right points in a nutshell ,we just have to see his development on the learning curve. Also one of the main things that I was concerned about was what happens if white has to be replaced by one of the other two quarterbacks. We saw one of them and it panned out as I expected next up is Yeager. Because Hooker must really really be in the dog house deep to not even get 2 minutes in a losing cause ππππππ’ . Even to just prove me wrong π . I don't see what else the OC can do other then get out there himself. I see Pool is working to try to get the right receivers combinations on the field and the OC giving our QB's other options even to the point of throwing to Graves on a out route π and Graves made the catch π . So I don't know what else the OC can do . But I do feel that Eli and Yeager are not the answer if White can not go SMIB. Ok. You believe all of our QBs are missing open WRs/RBs more than the typical QBs. Is this happening in practice? If not, then why not? Is the pressure placed on the QBs by the defense in practice different than that in the game leading to easier throws? The speed of the game can easily make a difference in how a player performs in the game.
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 21, 2023 19:34:31 GMT -5
So, Yeager has fallen from starter vs. Buzzards & at Elon to..3rd string?? Maybe not. Coach Brown maybe taking a good look at Eli to get a 2nd look at him. Yeager had 2 starts, but Eli only played the 1st game. That is why, I asked in an earlier post when did Eli get in the game and how long did he play. No answer to my questions yet. I will check the stats and play by play later when available.
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Post by saabman on Oct 21, 2023 20:45:50 GMT -5
You not knocking him down because your correct. But the problem is it's not just White it's all of the QB's that have played so far . I always rewatch each game to see if I could be reading more into my assignment. I also watch the competitions qb's too . Our 3 qb's have missed far more open receivers then the norm. Where as the competitions qb's would spread out the ball and take what is given RB's TE' or just open receivers in general 5,10 or 15 yards at a pop and let the receivers do the work to get the extra yards . Most of the teams that we have played use simple routes system, but the defiance is the QB's see the field and utilize all of there weapons and yes you miss open receivers but you also make easy throws to the one's that are open and don't over look a 5 or 10 yard completion for a 20 yd throw into double coverage that is the difference. I can Overlook whites shortcomings reason being. When he uses all of his receivers we move the ball steadily downfield so I know he can do it. But then something happens and the light goes off and he starts holding the ball again and overlooks the weapons that got him down field and try to make plays with his legs . That is not an uncommon behavior for young quarterbacks because they are trying to live up to all the hype and what got them to this level. But to be a good quarterback you must learn to move the ball and use your tools not just your legs. Don't get it twisted coaching has a part in this and it should be pointed out to the young man, his job is to move the ball Dink and dunking pitch and catch, finding the open man the big play will come , so why are you reverting back to your bad habits ,when you have just moved the ball down the field . We know he can run and has a strong arm but he has to learn on field personnel management and that means letting receivers do the work for you and not waiting plays by forcing the ball when a 5 or ten yard pass catch and run will do . Hell it is not hard to generate 200 yards in passing with a pitch and catch system because a catch and run adds to the QB's yardage total just like a 20 or 30 yard catch with no run after the catch . That's all that Richmond, Nova,Delaware and Elon did not big chunks but consistent easy throw chunks . Hell Tom Brady made a career off of Dink and dunk pitch catch and run passes. Hell Tom Terrific didn't really throw deep until he got Randy Moss . White has that ability because he has shown glimpses of his ability to do that but he has to develop his IQ because the talent is there. And I think sometimes people confuse physical Talent with mental and IQ Talent with are two different things. But you hit all of the right points in a nutshell ,we just have to see his development on the learning curve. Also one of the main things that I was concerned about was what happens if white has to be replaced by one of the other two quarterbacks. We saw one of them and it panned out as I expected next up is Yeager. Because Hooker must really really be in the dog house deep to not even get 2 minutes in a losing cause ππππππ’ . Even to just prove me wrong π . I don't see what else the OC can do other then get out there himself. I see Pool is working to try to get the right receivers combinations on the field and the OC giving our QB's other options even to the point of throwing to Graves on a out route π and Graves made the catch π . So I don't know what else the OC can do . But I do feel that Eli and Yeager are not the answer if White can not go SMIB. Ok. You believe all of our QBs are missing open WRs/RBs more than the typical QBs. Is this happening in practice? If not, then why not? Is the pressure placed on the QBs by the defense in practice different than that in the game leading to easier throws? The speed of the game can easily make a difference in how a player performs in the game. That can be part of it..i.e practice. Because if no one is pointing out and stressing the other options in practice it is likely the QB is not going to look for the other options in a game . I would always run the same play with the QB on the clock to simulate pressure. 5 times and with each of those a different receiver would be targeted so that the QB's knew where each of the receivers were located or goingto be ( they even do this in the NFL..i.e field and personal awareness) you can do that with 7 oΓ± 7 or 7 on 9 against the first string so that the speed says the same . I don't know if they do this . If not it's understandable that the QB's will go with what works in practice especially if the scout team defense is not Talented and competitive enough to push them . The thing with secondary and hot receiver routes is they have to be drilled and reinforced so that they are not forgotten in game situations. That's why athletes have to always study and be tested on there play book knowledge so that they are prepared for any in game situational scenario.
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Post by saabman on Oct 21, 2023 20:52:12 GMT -5
So, Yeager has fallen from starter vs. Buzzards & at Elon to..3rd string?? Maybe not. Coach Brown maybe taking a good look at Eli to get a 2nd look at him. Yeager had 2 starts, but Eli only played the 1st game. That is why, I asked in an earlier post when did Eli get in the game and how long did he play. No answer to my questions yet. I will check the stats and play by play later when available. He played about 8 snaps .
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Post by planoaggie on Oct 22, 2023 0:06:00 GMT -5
Looking at play-by-play stats, Eli got in the game at 6:14 mark of the 4th quarter. White had just thrown an interception the pervious time we had the ball. The score was 26-10. The coach called a passing play from A&T's 9 yard line as the 1st play for Eli. I agree with Maxwell that this was a bad call by the coach. Why? Eli's last performance was not good. Why not run the ball once before asking him to pass?
Eli's next serie was 7 run plays and then a desperate pass attempt where he was called for intentional grounding. The end. Not enough to evaluate a QB, especially if the coach placed him in a bad situation and in my opinion the coach placed Eli in a bad decision as to that interception. Yes, Eli should have been smarter to not make that throw.
On another note, the stats show that our QBs were only sacked once for a 12 yard loss. There were 5 tackle for loss and only 1 QB hurry. That is not too bad for an OL in my opinion. I did see that there were 8 offensive penalties for 84 yards that probably killed a few drives. Maybe that is why some say the OL played badly. 4 of those tackle for loss were on running plays, so our run blocking let us down more than pass blocking according to stats. If the stats reflect what actually occurred in the game, then we have a fundamental problem with our passing game. The QBs are not being hurried that much and we still can't pass for more than 100 yards per game. How is this on the OL? Again, I am working off of stats which can be misleading at times. Anyone is welcome to fill in the blanks or correct my interpretation of the stats.
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Post by VA's Finest on Oct 22, 2023 0:56:24 GMT -5
On another note, the stats show that our QBs were only sacked once for a 12 yard loss. There were 5 tackle for loss and only 1 QB hurry. Well there's your Monday morning motivational message. I guess that's where we'll hang our hat. Not the glaring other terrible stats no the producing N g
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Post by Maxell on Oct 22, 2023 1:11:44 GMT -5
The question is who calls that play from inside the 10 with a cold QB? Answer: Nobody Was that his 1st play under center or did they call a few running plays before the pick 6? Also, did Eli play the rest of the game or did they put White back in? How many quarters did White actually play? As you can guess, I did not see the game. It was his first play and he played the rest of the game.
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Post by DECKS on Oct 22, 2023 1:33:26 GMT -5
The players are performing as they are taught. The progress on the defensive side is simply amazing.
The lack of progress on the offensive side is disturbing. Being last in the nation in offensive production is unacceptable. At this point we need transparency and accountability.
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 22, 2023 5:07:45 GMT -5
The players are performing as they are taught. The progress on the defensive side is simply amazing. The lack of progress on the offensive side is disturbing. Being last in the nation in offensive production is unacceptable. At this point we need transparency and accountability. As a casual fan Yiu wonβt get transparency, not how that works.
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Post by saabman on Oct 22, 2023 7:34:54 GMT -5
The players are performing as they are taught. The progress on the defensive side is simply amazing. The lack of progress on the offensive side is disturbing. Being last in the nation in offensive production is unacceptable. At this point we need transparency and accountability. That's funny πππ€£πππ Start with Hooker then and work from there.
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Post by DECKS on Oct 22, 2023 10:50:04 GMT -5
The players are performing as they are taught. The progress on the defensive side is simply amazing. The lack of progress on the offensive side is disturbing. Being last in the nation in offensive production is unacceptable. At this point we need transparency and accountability. As a casual fan Yiu wonβt get transparency, not how that works. Smh...Perfect recipe for apathy. π Besides, there's nothing casual about my fandom! π
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Post by aggie2039 on Oct 22, 2023 11:13:19 GMT -5
As a casual fan Yiu wonβt get transparency, not how that works. Smh...Perfect recipe for apathy. π Besides, there's nothing casual about my fandom! π πππ
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 22, 2023 12:40:49 GMT -5
Yall still trying to blame players, SMH. But I bet if coach said that yall would jump down his throat. "You can't blame the players, take some accountability". Yall funny.
You can't be last on offense in the NATION and not blame coaching. That's virtually impossible.
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Post by saabman on Oct 22, 2023 15:10:07 GMT -5
Broadway dumped both of his coordinators after his first season coaching at that backwater up 85 and he went from there. He learned, adapted, and grew. Brown will also learn, adapt, and grow. Youβd be surprised how many kids would like the opportunity to play competitive college football at a reduced cost or free. Iβm only worried about recruiting if we canβt promise a better product on the offensive side of the field than we have shown. Thats the issue we are not getting better, and the coach doesn't seem willing to change his scheme/coaches to fit the players we have. Again I ask you what can a coach or OC do when the QB refuses and looks over a open receivers ( I'm not talking about not seeing the receiver ) but looks directly at them but choose to throw to someone else. Look at the tape it doesn't lie . The thing that is upsetting to me is. When the QB decides to use the take what is given approach and get the ball out to anyone that is open . We move the damn ball in the same scheme and play calls by the OC that your complaining about. But then the athletes revert back to the same overlooking BS. You can't put that on the coaches being factual. If something is working execution rise to move you down the field why would you stop using the actions that got you down the field in to the red zone. Yes there is enough blame to go around but you cannot blame one without blaming the other. Yes it is the OC's job to fit the scheme to the players but it is also the players job to execute the scheme so who gets to blame.
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