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Post by saabman on Oct 12, 2015 17:08:38 GMT -5
Way to be a stand-up Internet poster, Saab.... Yep... definitely not a base defense... but a darn good 3rd and long alignment for sure. We have LBs who can cover, close and blitz... fast. This allows us to take advantage of that. I have to stay focused on our 2015 defense, which is shaping up to be pretty good. But our 2016 defensive potential.... OMG... Yes that 3-3-5 is a very aggressive flexible defense that allows you a lot of options, if you have the right linebackers and two hybrid linebacker strong safety types that can play the Spur and Bandit positions a long with your 3 D lineman ! What I don't like about that defense is your defensive calls must be on point to the T !
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Post by saabman on Oct 12, 2015 17:22:24 GMT -5
i haven't seen anything in raynard's play that suggests he's some kind of "savior" for this team. clearly he's a better passer than quick, but raynard has "weaknesses" of his own just like quick does. raynard's best pass appears to be the long ball and he does that quite well. but his short and intermediate passes leave a lot to be desired. also, i'm still not seeing "check downs" from raynard while in the pocket and he hasn't been a threat to run the ball at all. both qb's have weaknesses and both qb's are "below average" qb's, imo... I don't need to see a savior......I need someone who ain't gonna lead us to purgatory..... Quick - 1 pass attempt -----> 1 interception The coach benched his azz and never brought him back in. Say what you want, but that speaks volumes. And once again, anytime you are comparing a redshirt freshman to a senior, and you have the redshirt freshman ahead in certain aspects.......THAT'S A GLARING INDICTMENT ON THE SENIOR. We need to stop looking at Raynard like he's supposed to be a finished product as a redshirt freshman. With every single flaw you see with him, HE HAS 3 MORE YEARS TO GET BETTER. Quick is in his 4th year......ain't no more growth going on with him as a QB. What you've seen is what you're gonna get. Now where have I heard this before?? Now let me think , I know this, it's on the tip of my Tongue now let me see ? It will come to me !! Wait for it, Wait for it, Dog Gone it I defer to OSA...lol
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Post by saabman on Oct 12, 2015 17:28:21 GMT -5
raynard is a "below 50%" passer and is a "zero threat" to run the ball. every year you people call for the backup qb, so next year you'll be calling for raynard's backup, never fails. bottom line? neither of our qb's are above average qb's, period. raynard completes less than 50% of his passes and is no threat to run the ball which puts even more pressure on "cohen". quick also completes less than 50% of his passes, but at least he's a threat to run the ball thereby taking some of the pressure off of cohen. the 2 qb system is the best system for this team this year. every year you people throw the starting qb under the bus, no different this year. raynard might as well be prepared to look over his shoulder next season if its left up to the fans... I think you are speaking more out of emotion than anything else..... When the Kindle/Quick controversy was going on, it was because Kindle was very erratic on and off the field. He made some bad decisions. When people were clamoring for Quick in his place, it wasn't because Quick was Michael Vick or Tom Brady; just like Quick----Kindle was a senior making mistakes that seniors had no business making. Fast forward to now. The only pass Quick made on Saturday was a completion......TO THE OTHER TEAM. He doesn't see the field well at all. He hangs on to the ball for too long. He makes freshman mistakes .....but he's a senior. Raynard simply can pass the ball better. He has better poise and presence in the pocket. He's no finished product......but he's clearly a better option already at QB than Quick. This isn't an emotional appeal for every 2nd-string QB to get a chance to start. I just want the best QB to start. I want the best WRs to start. I want the best punter to start. For every position on the field, I want the best person to start. OSA - just answer 1 question for me.... If Quick has truly matured as a QB, why is Broadway still opting to run a 2-QB system, splitting time between a senior and a RS freshman?BECAUSE IT'S WORKING ?? YOU THINK ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2015 18:02:00 GMT -5
I think you are speaking more out of emotion than anything else..... When the Kindle/Quick controversy was going on, it was because Kindle was very erratic on and off the field. He made some bad decisions. When people were clamoring for Quick in his place, it wasn't because Quick was Michael Vick or Tom Brady; just like Quick----Kindle was a senior making mistakes that seniors had no business making. Fast forward to now. The only pass Quick made on Saturday was a completion......TO THE OTHER TEAM. He doesn't see the field well at all. He hangs on to the ball for too long. He makes freshman mistakes .....but he's a senior. Raynard simply can pass the ball better. He has better poise and presence in the pocket. He's no finished product......but he's clearly a better option already at QB than Quick. This isn't an emotional appeal for every 2nd-string QB to get a chance to start. I just want the best QB to start. I want the best WRs to start. I want the best punter to start. For every position on the field, I want the best person to start. OSA - just answer 1 question for me.... If Quick has truly matured as a QB, why is Broadway still opting to run a 2-QB system, splitting time between a senior and a RS freshman?BECAUSE IT'S WORKING ?? YOU THINK ? I don't think it's working.
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Post by saabman on Oct 12, 2015 18:15:35 GMT -5
BECAUSE IT'S WORKING ?? YOU THINK ? I don't think it's working. A&T's record says otherwise ! As long as we continue to win and play an execute Broadway's and Staffs system I'm cool with what the coaches or doing !!
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Post by trues on Oct 12, 2015 18:55:32 GMT -5
Because he does not have confendence in quick. Have you notice his playing time is shorter and shorter. He is getting every opportunity to play but if he does not pay he will get yank out.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 12, 2015 19:12:20 GMT -5
Oh, I see it trues....this is becoming less and less of a "2-QB system" by the week. When one QB plays 95% of the time and the other plays 5% of the time....who are we fooling anymore?
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Post by saabman on Oct 12, 2015 19:40:26 GMT -5
Oh, I see it trues....this is becoming less and less of a "2-QB system" by the week. When one QB plays 95% of the time and the other plays 5% of the time....who are we fooling anymore? [/quot It's called natural attrition, all coache do this so this is no big deal. Both Quick and Reynard will have their moments when their particular skills will be able to affect the outcome of the game!! So it really doesn't matter who starts the game as long as they manage it properly and we move the ball. neither quarterback has been effective in the short field scenario, which I do not put that on the quarterback but on the play calling of the OC, lack of execution in the short field game/ Red zone only comes down to the play called and proper execution of said play that's Football 101.
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Post by outsidethinker on Oct 12, 2015 20:43:42 GMT -5
At what point do people lay off Raynard and start blaming half of his issues on the 4 injured and non starting WR's not catching the ball? Yet, we still have a winning record. He's turning water into malt liquor and everybody is drunk complaining that it isn't the top shelf stuff. What else do you want on our budget? We smashed a D2 school, had a respectable showing(scored and forced a turnover)against UNC as an HBCU, beat a DI FCS PWC, and have knocked out our HBCU competition thus far. I understand expecting more all the time but sheesh, if not for quick would we have beaten Elon? App? taken Coastal Carolina down to the wire?
Quick and Cohen were the most feared Duo in the MEAC last year. How many different Offensive schemes have Quick had to learn compared to Raynard? How much has the personnel around him changed as far as weapons and the plays being called? I do agree that he can't thread a needle but at the same time he's not a terrible QB. Clearly the last two years have proven that.
I'm all for Raynard taking over, but I wouldn't completely discredit Quick. What he's done against Coastal no other HBCU has ever done. We're a "what have you done for me lately bandwagon type of group lol".
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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 12, 2015 20:56:52 GMT -5
Well, that's true. It's the nature of the game...Quick was great last season until he was injured. But now, he seems to be a shell of himself, I mean no disrespect. But, you can't be but so loyal if he's not getting it done.
As for Raynard, the way he's playing is great given his experience. And he would be that much better if the receivers can hang onto the ball. I witnessed at least 3 drive killing drops by our receivers. So, Broadway is right we kept the ball in their territory and missed too many opportunities. Thank goodness the defense showed up to play this week.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Oct 12, 2015 21:26:18 GMT -5
Yes that 3-3-5 is a very aggressive flexible defense that allows you a lot of options, if you have the right linebackers and two hybrid linebacker strong safety types that can play the Spur and Bandit positions a long with your 3 D lineman ! What I don't like about that defense is your defensive calls must be on point to the T ! Yep.... the key is not getting too predictable with your calls. I think Coach Washington is savvy enough to know that. Our Spur/Bandit guys were Shoffner (#37) and Suttles (#24)... guys who can cover and pop. I found a diagram of it so folks can see what we're talking about:
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Post by saabman on Oct 12, 2015 21:38:14 GMT -5
Yep.... the key is not getting too predictable with your calls. I think Coach Washington is savvy enough to know that. Our Spur/Bandit guys were Shoffner (#37) and Suttles (#24)... guys who can cover and pop. I found a diagram of it so folks can see what we're talking about: Also you can change to other alignments with out to sub in personal in a blink , 4-2-5, 4-3, 3-4 .
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Post by pj on Oct 13, 2015 0:54:13 GMT -5
Good post. One thing about our situation, we can win with both. Remember that Elon game, or even that drive that Quick started faking the handoff to Tarik. we started cutting Elon up.
Coach has a 'good' problem to me.
'Just win Baby' Al Davis
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Post by trues on Oct 13, 2015 8:47:31 GMT -5
raynard is a "below 50%" passer and is a "zero threat" to run the ball. every year you people call for the backup qb, so next year you'll be calling for raynard's backup, never fails. bottom line? neither of our qb's are above average qb's, period. raynard completes less than 50% of his passes and is no threat to run the ball which puts even more pressure on "cohen". quick also completes less than 50% of his passes, but at least he's a threat to run the ball thereby taking some of the pressure off of cohen. the 2 qb system is the best system for this team this year. every year you people throw the starting qb under the bus, no different this year. raynard might as well be prepared to look over his shoulder next season if its left up to the fans...
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 13, 2015 9:20:04 GMT -5
And for whoever said the 3-3-5 didn't generate enough pressure: First 4 games: 7 sacks, 27 total TFLs 10/10 vs NSU: 7 sacks, 13 total TFLs Denzel Jones is still holding it down at MLB on the 1st 2 downs. But when you can sub and have 2 LBs who can blitz (Julius Reynolds and Jeremy Taylor) and at least one who can cover well (Marcus Albert)... it's a tough defense to handle on 3rd and long. Plus... as the season wears on, we can put Julian McKnight at the NT in that set and kick Ragland out to DE along with Keyes/Hampton-Prioleau/Blue. It's a credit to Coach Washington for not putting this out too soon... there won't be a lot of game tape for the MEAC coaches to digest for this one. i think it worked extremely well “against norfolk”. but i don’t think i would try a 3-3-5 against bcu because bcu has a ground game. but to me, it was a perfect call for norfolk because other than their qb (hankerson), they pretty much don’t have a running game and our front 3 were able to put pressure on hankerson which was “amazing” considering nsu kept at least 5 or 6 guys in for pass protection! i think the 3-3-5 took away norfolk’s strength which is to pass the football and that played to our advantage...
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