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Post by ohsixrain on Oct 11, 2015 19:02:45 GMT -5
Before y'all jump on me, Raynard has skills but that's not what has the offense clicking. It's the intangibles: confidence, leadership and calming effect. He's cool as the other side of the pillow according to late great Scott Stuart.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2015 19:05:33 GMT -5
Well I will be shocked if Broadway allows Quick to start against the Wildcats.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 11, 2015 19:34:54 GMT -5
Broadway didn't pull Quick because he saw Norfolk was committed to stopping the run ---- he got pulled because he threw another interception that got returned 20+ yards. This is funny. You want a running game - Cohen's the answer. If we want a passing game - Raynard's the answer. We have a solid defense. We have solid special teams. We don't turn the ball over (when a certain QB is out of the game). We don't get called for many penalties. If the players who played the majority of the minutes at Hampton and Norfolk continue to do so, and don't get injured, we have a very good shot at going 11-1. That's not hyperbole. It's the truth. You all know how I have felt about the QB situation since the summer. I have stated my preference for Raynard from the jump because he's actually a QB. I don't play favorites....let me correct that......I do play favorites - I favor those who give the team a better shot at winning. If anybody knows Quick, tell him to meet with the coach and ask him what else he can do to help this team OUTSIDE OF BEING THE QUARTERBACK to help this team win. It's October - there is nobody with halfway decent vision who goes to the games who can honestly say this team is better with Quick as our starting QB. Encourage the young man to find ANOTHER POSITION ON THIS TEAM that can help us win. Slot receiver.... Tailback..... Punt returner..... FG holder..... Punter.... Cornerback.... Anything but QB. It's no longer sensible to keep doing this 2-QB system song and dance......especially when we only have 1 legitimate QB. BROADWAY WILL MAKE THAT CALL ! It's not what we think " It's what Broadway and his Staff Thinks, Can you not see that ? I don't think that The Kid should be running the Rock 30 something times a game with NO proven Back up ! That worry's me more then this Quick/Raynard debate !! Because trust me if we lose The Kid this Raynard/Quick thing will be an after thought!! I don't disagree with what you're saying. The only problem I had with your last statement was when you said Broadway made the coaching change because Norfolk was keying on the run. EVERY TEAM KEYS ON COHEN!!! He made the change because Quick threw a bad interception. If Quick dropped back and threw a spiral to Keyes, Quick would have been in the game for at least a few more series. He was yanked and NEVER CAME BACK IN. I agree that A&T needs to develop another running back. There were many people, including yours truly, wondering why Cohen was still in the game late in the 4th quarter after this game was clearly over. Personally, I though Quick should have come back in late in the game as well. I didn't want Raynard hurt either. Word to the wise though....you said you don't think Cohen should be running 30 times per game with no proven back up. I have to apply the same proclamation to you as you have to us..... BROADWAY WILL MAKE THAT CALL! It's not what we think, it's what Broadway and his staff thinks. Can you not see that?
You cannot play the "coach card" when the board has an opinion is different than yours......but let your opinions stand without the "coach card" being played right back on you.
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Post by saabman on Oct 11, 2015 19:50:36 GMT -5
BROADWAY WILL MAKE THAT CALL ! It's not what we think " It's what Broadway and his Staff Thinks, Can you not see that ? I don't think that The Kid should be running the Rock 30 something times a game with NO proven Back up ! That worry's me more then this Quick/Raynard debate !! Because trust me if we lose The Kid this Raynard/Quick thing will be an after thought!! I don't disagree with what you're saying. The only problem I had with your last statement was when you said Broadway made the coaching change because Norfolk was keying on the run. EVERY TEAM KEYS ON COHEN!!! He made the change because Quick threw a bad interception. If Quick dropped back and threw a spiral to Keyes, Quick would have been in the game for at least a few more series. He was yanked and NEVER CAME BACK IN. I agree that A&T needs to develop another running back. There were many people, including yours truly, wondering why Cohen was still in the game late in the 4th quarter after this game was clearly over. Personally, I though Quick should have come back in late in the game as well. I didn't want Raynard hurt either. Word to the wise though....you said you don't think Cohen should be running 30 times per game with no proven back up. I have to apply the same proclamation to you as you have to us..... BROADWAY WILL MAKE THAT CALL! It's not what we think, it's what Broadway and his staff thinks. Can you not see that?
You cannot play the "coach card" when the board has an opinion is different than yours......but let your opinions stand without the "coach card" being played right back on you. Lol
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Post by aggieblackie on Oct 11, 2015 20:10:20 GMT -5
Saab, take a chill pill.
NSS, you were right on point.
Saab, I was for Quick when Kindle was the QB for obvious reasons. That is when Coach should have been playing Quick, not now for obvious reasons.
We do need another back to relieve Cohen. I thought coach brought some backs in. Why not play #35, forgot his name.
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Post by Maxell on Oct 11, 2015 20:26:50 GMT -5
He'll start Quick again.
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Post by Trueaggie on Oct 11, 2015 20:48:19 GMT -5
We had a back; Cartwright until he made a bad decision. It would have been his year.
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Oct 11, 2015 20:52:42 GMT -5
Football, basketball, hockey, field hockey, soccer, etc.... those sports are all about spacing. If you can create space, players with physical advantages have room to operate. But if for any reason a team is unable to create space, the other team can mitigate physical advantage by being physical and limiting the superior player's advantages. In football, the threat of the passing game creates spacing because it requires the defense to account for more of the field. Defenses have to account for Lamar Raynard's consistent ability in the passing game. I give credit to Coach Broadway for bringing Raynard along slowly and winning the 4 games we were supposed to win in the process. That's the bottom line in the evaluation. I give credit to Quick for starting the UNC/Elon/Hampton games and helping us get to our current 4-1 record. But after yesterday's game, they will be very few people who won't believe that Raynard doesn't give us the best chance to win at this point because of the space he creates on the field for our playmakers, especially Tarik Cohen. Great points but also let me add this, The passing and run game conjoined together allows you to totally control the game and the clock. basically they go hand in hand an limiting a teams predictability. After watching the TCU and K state game last night I'm a firm believer in that more than ever! K State should have won, but they abandon ther running game for the pass too early, thereby giving TCU the opportunity and the Win. I would say at this moment we have the best of both worlds and if we use both options properly there is no reason why we cannot be MEAC champions this season outright!! There's nothing in my comments that states we're abandoning the run with Raynard in the game. And I think we may be mistaken in thinking that Raynard can't be an effective runner. He's not the runner than a healthy Quick would be. But he's not a pocket statue, either. Actually, I'll give a tip of the cap to Chip Hester for using boot action/misdirection with Raynard on his first drive to get him out of the pocket to make easier throws. This was an improvement over leaving Raynard in the pocket against an Elon pass rush that teed off on our OTs (changes were ultimately made on the OL). Broadway sensed that wasn't going to work for that game, and stayed with Quick. At that point in Raynard's game-by-game development, it was probably a wise move. Same with Hampton. Three weeks down the road... it's a different story, IMO. Raynard is more comfortable passing than running. I like my QB to be that way. But as he matures, he'll recognize better when he has the safer option to run when there isn't an open man. I personally think that Raynard is far along enough in his development to be the full time starter and give us the best chance to win. But, as you've stated, it's Coach Broadway's call. I'll support Coach B and ride with what he thinks is best.
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Post by saabman on Oct 11, 2015 21:45:52 GMT -5
Great points but also let me add this, The passing and run game conjoined together allows you to totally control the game and the clock. basically they go hand in hand an limiting a teams predictability. After watching the TCU and K state game last night I'm a firm believer in that more than ever! K State should have won, but they abandon ther running game for the pass too early, thereby giving TCU the opportunity and the Win. I would say at this moment we have the best of both worlds and if we use both options properly there is no reason why we cannot be MEAC champions this season outright!! There's nothing in my comments that states we're abandoning the run with Raynard in the game. And I think we may be mistaken in thinking that Raynard can't be an effective runner. He's not the runner than a healthy Quick would be. But he's not a pocket statue, either. Actually, I'll give a tip of the cap to Chip Hester for using boot action/misdirection with Raynard on his first drive to get him out of the pocket to make easier throws. This was an improvement over leaving Raynard in the pocket against an Elon pass rush that teed off on our OTs (changes were ultimately made on the OL). Broadway sensed that wasn't going to work for that game, and stayed with Quick. At that point in Raynard's game-by-game development, it was probably a wise move. Same with Hampton. Three weeks down the road... it's a different story, IMO. Raynard is more comfortable passing than running. I like my QB to be that way. But as he matures, he'll recognize better when he has the safer option to run when there isn't an open man. I personally think that Raynard is far along enough in his development to be the full time starter and give us the best chance to win. But, as you've stated, it's Coach Broadway's call. I'll support Coach B and ride with what he thinks is best. I did not say that we are abandoning the run by going with Reynard ! What I'm only trying to point out is it does not matter who we feel should start at quarterback, that is Broadway and his staff call and no matter who he starts as long as we continue to win I see no reason to continue to have this discussion about the starter at quarterback ! But I do have a reason of concern about the running backs! because I have not seen a Back up for The Kid . we know we have a backup at quarterback whether it be Reynard or Quick ,but I have yet to see a back up for The Kid !!!!! Now can someone please tell me who is his back up ??
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 11, 2015 22:13:12 GMT -5
At one time Amos Williams was getting some carries as well as the freshman Thompson
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Oct 12, 2015 6:39:51 GMT -5
There's nothing in my comments that states we're abandoning the run with Raynard in the game. And I think we may be mistaken in thinking that Raynard can't be an effective runner. He's not the runner than a healthy Quick would be. But he's not a pocket statue, either. Actually, I'll give a tip of the cap to Chip Hester for using boot action/misdirection with Raynard on his first drive to get him out of the pocket to make easier throws. This was an improvement over leaving Raynard in the pocket against an Elon pass rush that teed off on our OTs (changes were ultimately made on the OL). Broadway sensed that wasn't going to work for that game, and stayed with Quick. At that point in Raynard's game-by-game development, it was probably a wise move. Same with Hampton. Three weeks down the road... it's a different story, IMO. Raynard is more comfortable passing than running. I like my QB to be that way. But as he matures, he'll recognize better when he has the safer option to run when there isn't an open man. I personally think that Raynard is far along enough in his development to be the full time starter and give us the best chance to win. But, as you've stated, it's Coach Broadway's call. I'll support Coach B and ride with what he thinks is best. I did not say that we are abandoning the run by going with Reynard ! What I'm only trying to point out is it does not matter who we feel should start at quarterback, that is Broadway and his staff call and no matter who he starts as long as we continue to win I see no reason to continue to have this discussion about the starter at quarterback ! But I do have a reason of concern about the running backs! because I have not seen a Back up for The Kid . we know we have a backup at quarterback whether it be Reynard or Quick ,but I have yet to see a back up for The Kid !!!!! Now can someone please tell me who is his back up ?? Ok... It just felt like that was being implied by your comments in context with my original post. No worries from me on the QB situation at this point. RB? Keenan Thompson got on the field. Amos Williams is still available, I think. Maybe Williams was dinged up or didn't have a good week of practice. Maybe they are lagging in understanding pass protections. Either way... I expect to see another RB complementing Cohen in the coming weeks.
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Post by saabman on Oct 12, 2015 8:05:44 GMT -5
I did not say that we are abandoning the run by going with Reynard ! What I'm only trying to point out is it does not matter who we feel should start at quarterback, that is Broadway and his staff call and no matter who he starts as long as we continue to win I see no reason to continue to have this discussion about the starter at quarterback ! But I do have a reason of concern about the running backs! because I have not seen a Back up for The Kid . we know we have a backup at quarterback whether it be Reynard or Quick ,but I have yet to see a back up for The Kid !!!!! Now can someone please tell me who is his back up ?? Ok... It just felt like that was being implied by your comments in context with my original post. No worries from me on the QB situation at this point. RB? Keenan Thompson got on the field. Amos Williams is still available, I think. Maybe Williams was dinged up or didn't have a good week of practice. Maybe they are lagging in understanding pass protections. Either way... I expect to see another RB complementing Cohen in the coming weeks. "Great points but also let me add this, The passing and run game conjoined together allows you to totally control the game and the clock. basically they go hand in hand an limiting a teams predictability. After watching the TCU and K state game last night I'm a firm believer in that more than ever! K State should have won, but they abandon ther running game for the pass too early, thereby giving TCU the opportunity and the Win. I would say at this moment we have the best of both worlds and if we use both options properly there is no reason why we cannot be MEAC champions this season outright!!" This is what your talking about.... lol and example of what K state did against TCU ? "The passing and run game conjoined together allows you to totally control the game and the clock. basically they go hand in hand an limiting a teams predictability." "I would say at this moment {we} have the best of both worlds and if we use both options properly there is no reason why we cannot be MEAC champions this season outright!!" That was and example of what not to do !!! lol
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Post by JeffAggieFan on Oct 12, 2015 8:23:45 GMT -5
Two things to think about the game.
1) Keys was a non factor in the game. I think that #6 played good defense.
2) The line is getting better but it still has it moments
Overall the defense and the special teams are playing ball this year.
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Post by The Professor on Oct 12, 2015 8:51:58 GMT -5
Aggie one if Raynard can make these miistake and still win the game soundly can U imagine what it will b like once he Improve next year Ned years to come. At least he did not throw pic 6. I think Broadway saw enough of that in quick today. I disagree on the Quick statement . What I feel that Broadway saw was a situation that facilitated more of a passing quarterback then a runner. Norfolk played us strictly for the run and by changing up with Raynard, it through their whole game plan out of sync. The two QB system can work if applied properly and today was one of those days. Its time to let the 2 QB thing go. Say thank u to Quick and move towards our future QB
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Post by saabman on Oct 12, 2015 9:06:24 GMT -5
I disagree on the Quick statement . What I feel that Broadway saw was a situation that facilitated more of a passing quarterback then a runner. Norfolk played us strictly for the run and by changing up with Raynard, it through their whole game plan out of sync. The two QB system can work if applied properly and today was one of those days. Its time to let the 2 QB thing go. Say thank u to Quick and move towards our future QB Be careful what you ask for !!!! This system is working just fine and getting the job done ! I trust what Broadway and his staff is doing, and I also feel that when Broadway and his staff decides to change it he will !!
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