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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 30, 2013 14:58:28 GMT -5
So, how many also agree that Coach Broadway is happy with where the team is offensively right now? How many also agree that Coach Broadway is happy with a 2-3 record? How many also agree that Coach Broadway is not "impatient" to win a championship. How many also agree the Coach Broadway thinks this is the best this team can play? If you do agree, then you are missing the point! Which is better close wins or close losses? In my mind, it's worse knowing you have could have won. Please stop it with 5 points, sure we were close, but close doesn't mean crap. How much joy is Coach Broadway finding in those 5 point loses? Trying bragging to Hampton or Del State with that concept, "oh you only beat us by 5 points", what senses does that make? If you don't agree, then you are missing the point! If you don't know the point, it not about where we have been, it is about where we want to go! Don't confuse the message with the rhetoric and antics of the messenger. Don’t accept mediocrity because of where we been. If Coach Broadway is not satisfied, then why should we be satisfied? 77, its not a matter of whether you, me, or coach broadway are happy or not about losing games. you think buddy pough is happy about losing to coastal carolina? you think he’s happy about losing to bcu? actually, i think you’re missing the point. no coach that i know of is ever “happy” about losing a game or performing poorly. even the very best coaches lose games and even the very best coaches have poor performances. and here’s the main point you’re missing. no one in the meac has more of an uphill battle to succeed than coach broadway. the only reason we were even in a position to compete for an meac championship is because of the “extraordinary” job coach broadway has done despite inheriting the worst apr and team record a football program could possibly have. if coach broadway had come to a&t immediately following bill hayes and had a clean apr slate from the jump, then i could understand some of the “impatience” that some aggies have. but maybe because i’ve been in athletics all of my life, i can better understand the “challenges” that coach broadway has to overcome. i can definitely identify with loss practice time, no spring practice, reduced scholarships, and trying to recruit with a 27 game losing streak hanging in the balance. coach broadway has had to fight thru all of that, nobody else in the meac has. so yes i give coach broadway and his staff a pass for losing 3 games in a row because i’ve got enuf sense to know and understand what he’s up against. i mean, our very own alum connell maynor looked us right in the face and said “hail no” because of those very challenges that a lot of ya’ll don’t seem to understand. he knew how hard it would be to rebuild our program “from scratch” with limited scholarships, a 27 game “black eye” losing streak, and severe apr sanctions hanging over his head. right now, i think coach broadway by far is the best coach in the meac with only brian jenkins perhaps being the only exception. its not easy to do what coach broadway has already accomplished since he arrived at a&t. i think its “extraordinary” what he has already accomplished! and, i’d bet you or anybody else that all of the complaints ya’ll have are not shared by our ad. hilton is way too smart to be that naive... |
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Post by pj on Oct 30, 2013 15:34:05 GMT -5
I love this Aggie Passion & Pride.
GHOE:
I was not to enthused to see the UVL game, but now I would like to see us 'click' on offense and then give the bench some run. Rickey, Desmond and Quick are over-due to get some run.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 30, 2013 15:48:14 GMT -5
the only reason we were even in a position to compete for an meac championship is because of the “extraordinary” job coach broadway has done despite inheriting the worst apr and team record a football program could possibly have. if coach broadway had come to a&t immediately following bill hayes and had a clean apr slate from the jump, then i could understand some of the “impatience” that some aggies have. but maybe because i’ve been in athletics all of my life, i can better understand the “challenges” that coach broadway has to overcome. i can definitely identify with loss practice time, no spring practice, reduced scholarships, and trying to recruit with a 27 game losing streak hanging in the balance. coach broadway has had to fight thru all of that, nobody else in the meac has. I've stated this previously, and here's the problem I have with this argument. Coach Broadway knows better than any of us the mountain he was up against with respect to: ----poor APR issues ----no spring practice ----reduced scholarships The whole reason this 20-page thread is ongoing is because we are very displeased with the offensive production. Everything is basically legit with our team except for our inept offense. Despite the following......... ----poor APR issues ----no spring practice ----reduced scholarships ----a 7-4 record (which included closing 2012 with 4 straight win) .............HE STILL FIRED THE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR. Coach Broadway set the precedence of what is to be expecteied from this offense, DESPITE THE LIMITATIONS HE INHERITED, with this program. If you call me and other Aggies inpatient........it's because BROADWAY SET THE GROUNDWORK FOR AGGIE INPATIENCE. I remember vividly how you, Aggie One and others said that Pizzo was doing a good job and how he should remain our OC. Mr. Inpatient (aka Rod Broadway) didn't agree with you. He fired the OC and got a new one. Look at this in totality ----- Broadway set the tone for what he expected out of this offense. He overlooked the APR issues, the lack of spring practice, our reduced scholarships, and our winning streak to finish 2012......AND STILL FIRED THE OC. I gotta say OSA, if you want to write up on here how inpatient Aggies are, you need to seriously consider emailing Broadway and personally asking him why he exhibited the same inpatience last year. His university email is rcbroadw@ncat.edu
As much as you proclaim Aggies (like myself) are inpatient ---- BROADWAY IS THE ONE WHO LAID DOWN THE FOUNDATION OF INPATIENCE. .......and for anyone reading this, do not take this post as my disapproval of our head coach - I'm just laying out the timeline of events that have transpired over the past few years....... |
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Post by mthollyaggie98 on Oct 30, 2013 17:29:53 GMT -5
the only reason we were even in a position to compete for an meac championship is because of the “extraordinary” job coach broadway has done despite inheriting the worst apr and team record a football program could possibly have. if coach broadway had come to a&t immediately following bill hayes and had a clean apr slate from the jump, then i could understand some of the “impatience” that some aggies have. but maybe because i’ve been in athletics all of my life, i can better understand the “challenges” that coach broadway has to overcome. i can definitely identify with loss practice time, no spring practice, reduced scholarships, and trying to recruit with a 27 game losing streak hanging in the balance. coach broadway has had to fight thru all of that, nobody else in the meac has. I've stated this previously, and here's the problem I have with this argument. Coach Broadway knows better than any of us the mountain he was up against with respect to: ----poor APR issues ----no spring practice ----reduced scholarships The whole reason this 20-page thread is ongoing is because we are very displeased with the offensive production. Everything is basically legit with our team except for our inept offense. Despite the following......... ----poor APR issues ----no spring practice ----reduced scholarships ----a 7-4 record (which included closing 2012 with 4 straight win) .............HE STILL FIRED THE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR. Coach Broadway set the precedence of what is to be expecteied from this offense, DESPITE THE LIMITATIONS HE INHERITED, with this program. If you call me and other Aggies inpatient........it's because BROADWAY SET THE GROUNDWORK FOR AGGIE INPATIENCE. I remember vividly how you, Aggie One and others said that Pizzo was doing a good job and how he should remain our OC. Mr. Inpatient (aka Rod Broadway) didn't agree with you. He fired the OC and got a new one. Look at this in totality ----- Broadway set the tone for what he expected out of this offense. He overlooked the APR issues, the lack of spring practice, our reduced scholarships, and our winning streak to finish 2012......AND STILL FIRED THE OC. I gotta say OSA, if you want to write up on here how inpatient Aggies are, you need to seriously consider emailing Broadway and personally asking him why he exhibited the same inpatience last year. His university email is rcbroadw@ncat.edu
As much as you proclaim Aggies (like myself) are inpatient ---- BROADWAY IS THE ONE WHO LAID DOWN THE FOUNDATION OF INPATIENCE. .......and for anyone reading this, do not take this post as my disapproval of our head coach - I'm just laying out the timeline of events that have transpired over the past few years....... If I am not mistaken, Pizzo had a spring practice and still didn't have a good productivity on offense. I would give Bustle a pass this year because of a lack of spring practice and the fact that our players need consistency. We also do not have the needed depth which was evident when injuries occured. BE PATIENT!!!.....I still think we can walk away with an 8-3 record which is an improvement and us moving in the right direction. Sent from my SCH-I535 using proboards |
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 30, 2013 17:44:18 GMT -5
1.) 77, its not a matter of whether you, me, or coach broadway are happy or not about losing games. you think buddy pough is happy about losing to coastal carolina? you think he’s happy about losing to bcu? 2.) actually, i think you’re missing the point. no coach that i know of is ever “happy” about losing a game or performing poorly. even the very best coaches lose games and even the very best coaches have poor performances. and here’s the main point you’re missing. no one in the meac has more of an uphill battle to succeed than coach broadway. the only reason we were even in a position to compete for an meac championship is because of the “extraordinary” job coach broadway has done despite inheriting the worst apr and team record a football program could possibly have. 3.) if coach broadway had come to a&t immediately following bill hayes and had a clean apr slate from the jump, then i could understand some of the “impatience” that some aggies have. but maybe because i’ve been in athletics all of my life, i can better understand the “challenges” that coach broadway has to overcome. i can definitely identify with loss practice time, no spring practice, reduced scholarships, and trying to recruit with a 27 game losing streak hanging in the balance. coach broadway has had to fight thru all of that, nobody else in the meac has. 4.) so yes i give coach broadway and his staff a pass for losing 3 games in a row because i’ve got enuf sense to know and understand what he’s up against. i mean, our very own alum connell maynor looked us right in the face and said “hail no” because of those very challenges that a lot of ya’ll don’t seem to understand. he knew how hard it would be to rebuild our program “from scratch” with limited scholarships, a 27 game “black eye” losing streak, and severe apr sanctions hanging over his head. 5.) right now, i think coach broadway by far is the best coach in the meac with only brian jenkins perhaps being the only exception. its not easy to do what coach broadway has already accomplished since he arrived at a&t. i think its “extraordinary” what he has already accomplished! and, i’d bet you or anybody else that all of the complaints ya’ll have are not shared by our ad. hilton is way too smart to be that naive... 1 - What, happy about losing! You missed the point or this is just a diversion tactic. The point is if Coach Broadway isn't happy about the team’s performance, why should we? Are you happy with the team’s performance? 2 – Again, what's with the happy about losing? The issue is not about the loses we are going to have loses (hopefully less than the wins), it about the performance in the loses, specifically the last two, specifically the offense (and the FAMU game). Clearly you are defending something that's being discussed in your mind and not anything I have posted. If not because of the Herculean efforts of the Beast known as Tarik Cohen the loses would really be something to be happy about, because there probably would be one more, and the others wouldn’t have that magical 5 point spread. 3 - Is it too much to ask for than 7 points (in the last 2 minutes of the game) at home against DSU (provided as an example only)? Who as you may know lost to Hampton 30 to 7, no 5 point spread there, huh? But DSU was only down 3 at the half, they were close for a while. I can see them smiling and rejoicing on the bus ride home as they sing "we where only down 3 points at the half". 4 - Do really think Connell was afraid of the challenge to coach at a D1 school that is also his alma mater because of the issues you raised? Share with us the terms of Connell's deal; was it 5 years guaranteed, at about $250K annually, did it have a $550k assistant coaches pool, did it have incentive bonuses for, APR success, wins, COY, POY, etc, what was the recruiting budget, what was the academic support plan? Unless you know the details of those discussions, how do you know why Connell made the decision he did? What we do know is Coach Broadway accepted the job due to those issues. 5 – Who on this board disputes that statement? But if your point is that this team is progressing down the stretch better than the previous two years or the start of the season, so don’t complain then, that’s where we differ. That’s what fans do, when we aren’t speculating on why Coaches don’t take jobs. BTW, would this be considered complaining, nit picking, or criticizing the OC or the offense in general? our passing game is just not clicking on all cylinders. either the qb makes a bad pass, or the receiver drops a pass, or the protection was inadequate, or all of the above. i don't know for the life of me why we don't shorten our pass routes and throw underneath to our playmakers (lawrence and cohen). if we throw short passes, the o-line doesn't have to holdup the pass rush as long, its an easier pass for kindle, and we have "playmakers" who can break a short pass into a long gain. just seems to me that we're taking too many 5 and 7 step drop back passes and our protection is not holding up. why not "simplify" the blocking, the target, and the decision making by throwing bubble screens and underneath slants? we can't keep running on every down or else the defense will stack the box... |
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Post by AggieGroove on Oct 30, 2013 18:24:22 GMT -5
Really 21 pages about a game a week ago....really....lol!
We didn't have this many pages after we beat app state!
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Post by saabman on Oct 30, 2013 21:26:54 GMT -5
Really 21 pages about a game a week ago....really....lol! We didn't have this many pages after we beat app state! Looks that way to me .AG LOL  |
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Post by saabman on Oct 30, 2013 21:27:21 GMT -5
Really 21 pages about a game a week ago....really....lol! We didn't have this many pages after we beat app state! Looks that way to me .AG LOL |
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Post by Aggie77 on Oct 31, 2013 7:45:59 GMT -5
That's what happens when some think we can do better and others think everything is OK!
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 31, 2013 8:16:08 GMT -5
Same folks thought everything was OK last year until Broadway fired Pizzo.
I am pretty certain Broadway is 100 times more frustrated about the A&T offense than NSS is.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 31, 2013 8:51:54 GMT -5
Same folks thought everything was OK last year until Broadway fired Pizzo. ......and you can't tell these folks nothing, even when you're being as objective as possible (last year and this year)...... I am pretty certain Broadway is 100 times more frustrated about the A&T offense than NSS is. .......1000x more. I know Broadway wants the O to get better.....I'm pulling for him and his staff to get things turned around..... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 31, 2013 9:27:41 GMT -5
1.) 77, its not a matter of whether you, me, or coach broadway are happy or not about losing games. you think buddy pough is happy about losing to coastal carolina? you think he’s happy about losing to bcu? 2.) actually, i think you’re missing the point. no coach that i know of is ever “happy” about losing a game or performing poorly. even the very best coaches lose games and even the very best coaches have poor performances. and here’s the main point you’re missing. no one in the meac has more of an uphill battle to succeed than coach broadway. the only reason we were even in a position to compete for an meac championship is because of the “extraordinary” job coach broadway has done despite inheriting the worst apr and team record a football program could possibly have. 3.) if coach broadway had come to a&t immediately following bill hayes and had a clean apr slate from the jump, then i could understand some of the “impatience” that some aggies have. but maybe because i’ve been in athletics all of my life, i can better understand the “challenges” that coach broadway has to overcome. i can definitely identify with loss practice time, no spring practice, reduced scholarships, and trying to recruit with a 27 game losing streak hanging in the balance. coach broadway has had to fight thru all of that, nobody else in the meac has. 4.) so yes i give coach broadway and his staff a pass for losing 3 games in a row because i’ve got enuf sense to know and understand what he’s up against. i mean, our very own alum connell maynor looked us right in the face and said “hail no” because of those very challenges that a lot of ya’ll don’t seem to understand. he knew how hard it would be to rebuild our program “from scratch” with limited scholarships, a 27 game “black eye” losing streak, and severe apr sanctions hanging over his head. 5.) right now, i think coach broadway by far is the best coach in the meac with only brian jenkins perhaps being the only exception. its not easy to do what coach broadway has already accomplished since he arrived at a&t. i think its “extraordinary” what he has already accomplished! and, i’d bet you or anybody else that all of the complaints ya’ll have are not shared by our ad. hilton is way too smart to be that naive... 1 - What, happy about losing! You missed the point or this is just a diversion tactic. The point is if Coach Broadway isn't happy about the team’s performance, why should we? Are you happy with the team’s performance? 2 – Again, what's with the happy about losing? The issue is not about the loses we are going to have loses (hopefully less than the wins), it about the performance in the loses, specifically the last two, specifically the offense (and the FAMU game). Clearly you are defending something that's being discussed in your mind and not anything I have posted. If not because of the Herculean efforts of the Beast known as Tarik Cohen the loses would really be something to be happy about, because there probably would be one more, and the others wouldn’t have that magical 5 point spread. 3 - Is it too much to ask for than 7 points (in the last 2 minutes of the game) at home against DSU (provided as an example only)? Who as you may know lost to Hampton 30 to 7, no 5 point spread there, huh? But DSU was only down 3 at the half, they were close for a while. I can see them smiling and rejoicing on the bus ride home as they sing "we where only down 3 points at the half". 4 - Do really think Connell was afraid of the challenge to coach at a D1 school that is also his alma mater because of the issues you raised? Share with us the terms of Connell's deal; was it 5 years guaranteed, at about $250K annually, did it have a $550k assistant coaches pool, did it have incentive bonuses for, APR success, wins, COY, POY, etc, what was the recruiting budget, what was the academic support plan? Unless you know the details of those discussions, how do you know why Connell made the decision he did? What we do know is Coach Broadway accepted the job due to those issues. 5 – Who on this board disputes that statement? But if your point is that this team is progressing down the stretch better than the previous two years or the start of the season, so don’t complain then, that’s where we differ. That’s what fans do, when we aren’t speculating on why Coaches don’t take jobs. BTW, would this be considered complaining, nit picking, or criticizing the OC or the offense in general? our passing game is just not clicking on all cylinders. either the qb makes a bad pass, or the receiver drops a pass, or the protection was inadequate, or all of the above. i don't know for the life of me why we don't shorten our pass routes and throw underneath to our playmakers (lawrence and cohen). if we throw short passes, the o-line doesn't have to holdup the pass rush as long, its an easier pass for kindle, and we have "playmakers" who can break a short pass into a long gain. just seems to me that we're taking too many 5 and 7 step drop back passes and our protection is not holding up. why not "simplify" the blocking, the target, and the decision making by throwing bubble screens and underneath slants? we can't keep running on every down or else the defense will stack the box... 77, you're right. i have no idea what your point is and have no idea what your rant is about because my reply to you went completely over your head. my point is simple. first of all, i never once said folk should be "happy" about losing games (somehow that went completely over your head). my point is that folk like you do not take into consideration that "patience" is necessary when rebuilding a football program like ours "from scratch". did i mention that we've got apr shackles and a recent history of losing 27 games in a row impeding the pace of that rebuilding process? i don't quite know what to make of all that other stuff you typed. but the bottom line is given a&t's status as a football program when coach broadway arrived, it is not reasonable to expect coach broadway to win every game with style points. every coach that i know of has bad games on occasion, even the very best. show me a coach who has never had a bad game? go ahead, i can wait. <crickets> so to "over react" everytime coach broadway has a bad game is a reflection of "impatience", or a complete lack of understanding of what it takes to build a program from rock bottom. ya'll act like spring practice is "meaningless". do you know of any coach who "voluntarily" cancels spring practice? i don't. ya'll act like putting an offense together "at the start of the season" with average talent, a new coach who doesn't know his players, and his players don't know him and don't know his offense, should produce a proficient offense which is ridiculous. this i do know, that offense takes much longer to learn as a team than defense does. offense is far more complex than defense and offense requires much more “timing and synchronism” than defense. this i also know, that in order for an offense to work “efficiently and proficiently”, the players (especially the qb) must know that offense “inside and out”, and you can’t know an offense “inside and out” if you’ve never run it before and the first time you’ve run it is just before the season started. now these things i know for a fact and i don’t quite understand why folk like you don’t. yet, you expect us to have a potent offense? even with injuries on the o-line? if you’d told me that we had no spring practice but we had the same oc and the very same offensive scheme for 2 or 3 consecutive years, then i might understand the criticism of the offense. but that’s not the case at all. that's why the criticism is unreasonable... |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 31, 2013 9:42:40 GMT -5
Really 21 pages about a game a week ago....really....lol! We didn't have this many pages after we beat app state! hey, i guess folk aren't too interested in discussing the vul game... |
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Oct 31, 2013 10:24:40 GMT -5
if you’d told me that we had no spring practice but we had the same oc and the very same offensive scheme for 2 or 3 consecutive years, then i might understand the criticism of the offense. but that’s not the case at all. that's why the criticism is unreasonable... ......you said the criticism was unreasonable last year ......you thought Pizzo should have stayed on as our OC LAST YEAR ......last year was the 2nd year of Pizzo running our offense under Broadway ......we had no spring practice last year ......Broadway canned him against your wishes/beliefs. You're quick to criticize posters who disagree with you......the MAJOR PERSON you need to be questioning is our head coach. You may not want to admit it, but by your own statements, you actually have more problems with him than you do with posters you're quick to disagree with...... |
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Post by marchingband1969 on Oct 31, 2013 10:52:16 GMT -5
Hey fellas, let's table this discussion and get back to what's really important today...IT"S GHOE DAMMIT! Never mind the offense, the play calling, the losses...it Homecoming and it's time to do what Aggies have always done...have a darn great time. And on Monday, after we have enjoyed being with are Aggie family, neighborhoodsupperstar, oldschoolaggie, thrillia, and the rest of the Blue Death Valley can return to complimenting/complaining about the football team.
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