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Post by SixtiesAggie on Jul 9, 2013 22:05:55 GMT -5
Some of you speak as if he's already convicted. That's the good thing, not being convicted, but he is going to have to have a very good lawyer in this town. He probably did not pass the breatherlizer and driving at 3 am without lights does not help. Hopefully, he can avoid a felony conviction and then start working on his personal life.
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Post by Aggie One on Jul 10, 2013 7:21:47 GMT -5
At worst it would be a Level One Misdemeanor offense for a first time DWI, a license revocation for a year, a huge fine and court costs, substance abuse classes, 24 hours of community service, 30 days suspended sentence if convicted. There is no plea reduction for a DWI in NC. He may or may not receive a limited driving privilege for work purposes only.
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Post by oldschool on Jul 10, 2013 8:04:42 GMT -5
Report was released today , Kindle blew a .24 on his breathalyzer test , that's 3 times the limit . He was tested twice at the scene and once at the jail .
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Post by ohsixrain on Jul 10, 2013 8:15:10 GMT -5
Dang, .24...? He was pickled! Wow, dude! Oh well, whose up next at qb?
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Post by oldschool on Jul 10, 2013 8:17:37 GMT -5
FOOTBALL IS THE LEAST OF KINDLE'S PROBLEMS,THE DWI CHARGE IS GOING TO EFFECT FUTURE EMPLOYMENT This offense is going to cost his parents quite a bit of money. If not erased from his record, he will have difficulty with job applications. Campus policemen have the same arrest powers that law enforcement officers throughout the state have. He was not on campus. He was on the city streets (Lindsay and Sullivan). His court hearing or trial (court house down town) will be in late August. He is going to need luck and money. I believe the state "fools" legislators have strengthened the DWI laws. Campus police have police powers up to a half a mile radius around their campus . UNCG campus police routinely stop motorist on W.Market and Lee streets . This will definitely cost him dearly , I had a co worker who was convicted recently , he lost his license for one year , paid a $2400 fine , had to attend AA classes , is on probation for one year , and if he decides to renew his license will have to purchase a breathalyzer device for his vehicle before getting his license back .
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Post by durhamgsoaggie on Jul 10, 2013 8:41:42 GMT -5
Dang, .24...? He was pickled! Wow, dude! Oh well, whose up next at qb? Wow.... and he still made the decision to get behind the wheel? SMH... this is Stephen Garcia-caliber down at South Carolina... That is good info to know about campus police authority as well.
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Post by DOOMS on Jul 10, 2013 9:15:42 GMT -5
I don't recall saying he should get off. I just recall saying I did, so I can't judge.
I'd make him emergency and scout team qb encourage him to get his degree and go on back to Jawja. Kicking him off the team would probably end his scholastic career (at least with us), put a dent in our APR, and serve as notice to any qb prospects that after all these years, Ayantee still ain't the place to go if you're good at qbing. You can say what you want about him bringing all this on himself, but that doesn't change our level of responsibility. One thing I can say about A&T is it gave me numerous chances, and I eventually matured to the point that I proved A&T was correct in doing so.
Who was the last Ayantte qb that was above marginal for his entire Ayantee career? I'm thinking it was WSSU's head coach. That was a long time ago.
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Post by bigpeete1 on Jul 10, 2013 10:06:38 GMT -5
HE SHOULD NOT BE AROUND THE TEAM UNTIL THE SUSPENSION IS LIFTED! NEXT MAN-UP! WE ARE MOVING FORWARD!
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Post by Aggie77 on Jul 10, 2013 10:43:30 GMT -5
This ain't 1979, or even 1993, we have to live under the current rules. Drinking and driving is a serious transgression whether it's 3am or 3pm. Fortunately the University Police were on the job, this could have been a disaster on a lot of levels.
I see no benefit to kicking him off team, but I don't see how you can reward bad behavior. In addition to the legal process, is there also a Team and University tribunal forthcoming? There is an internal tough decision/punishment that has to be made that sends a message to Kindle and the team.
What was the legal and University/team punishment for the basketball player that got a DUI?
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Post by Aggie One on Jul 10, 2013 11:18:56 GMT -5
He was suspended for four games, benched most of the rest of the remaining season, some university sanctions but they allowed him to finish out and graduate. They won't take away a senior's scholarship for a first time misdemeanor so he can graduate. A felony would be an entirely different story. His football career? No one knows at this point probably not even Broadway or Hilton as an absolute certainty.
Kids and their parents better start reading and discussing the fine print in their LOI on conduct unbecoming. They are one year renewable contrcts and not 4-year guarantees.
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Post by Aggie77 on Jul 10, 2013 11:58:54 GMT -5
Does a BAC of .24 make it a felony?
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Post by bluehaze on Jul 10, 2013 12:23:52 GMT -5
www.dmv.org/nc-north-carolina/automotive-law/dui.php#DWI-Penalties-21-and-OlderDWI Penalties: 21 and OlderNC DWI penalties are based on your “level,” and your judge uses mitigating factors to determine your level. Factors include your BAC, prescription medications, your current driving record, and other aspects of your DWI situation and overall driving history. North Carolina DWI Levels Level 5Immediate license suspension for 30 days, with the possibility of limited driving privileges after 10 days. Up to a $200 fine. Between 24 hours and 60 days in jail. (Your judge might suspend your sentence to 24 hours of imprisonment or 24 hours of community service as part of probation.) Substance abuse assessment, if you’re placed on probation. Level 4Immediate license suspension for 30 days, with the possibility of limited driving privileges after 10 days. Up to a $500 fine. Between 48 hours and 120 days in jail. (Your judge might suspend your sentence to 48 hours of imprisonment or 48 hours of community service as part of probation.) Substance abuse assessment, if you’re placed on probation. Level 3Immediate license suspension for 30 days, with the possibility of limited driving privileges after 10 days. Up to a $1,000 fine. Between 72 hours and 6 months in jail. (Your judge might suspend your sentence to 72 hours of imprisonment or 72 hours of community service as part of probation.) Substance abuse assessment, if you’re placed on probation. Level 2Immediate license suspension for 30 days, with the possibility of limited driving privileges after 10 days. Up to a $2,000 fine. Between 7 days and 12 months in jail. (Your judge might suspend your sentence to 90 days of abstaining from alcohol, which the court will monitor.) Substance abuse assessment, if you’re placed on probation. Level 1Immediate license suspension for 30 days, with the possibility of limited driving privileges after 10 days. Up to a $4,000 fine. Between 30 days and 24 months in jail. (Your judge might give you 10 days under probation cases involving alcohol monitoring for 120 days.) Substance abuse assessment, if you’re placed on probation. Aggravated Level 1Immediate license suspension for 30 days, with the possibility of limited driving privileges after 10 days. Up to a $10,000 fine. Between 12 months and 36 months in jail. (Your judge might give you 120 days under probation cases involving alcohol monitoring for a minimum of 120 days.) Monitored abstaining from alcohol for 4 months after prison release. Substance abuse assessment.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Jul 10, 2013 12:31:51 GMT -5
FOOTBALL IS THE LEAST OF KINDLE'S PROBLEMS,THE DWI CHARGE IS GOING TO EFFECT FUTURE EMPLOYMENT This offense is going to cost his parents quite a bit of money. If not erased from his record, he will have difficulty with job applications. Campus policemen have the same arrest powers that law enforcement officers throughout the state have. He was not on campus. He was on the city streets (Lindsay and Sullivan). His court hearing or trial (court house down town) will be in late August. He is going to need luck and money. I believe the state "fools" legislators have strengthened the DWI laws. if he has no other convictions or arrests on his record, he shouldn't have a problem getting that dwi expunged from his record provided he completes whatever requirements the judge places on him, something like alcohol abuse training and passes periodic drug/alcohol tests for a certain period of time. i don't think law enforcement will ruin a young person's entire life at the age of 22 years old or so by permanently placing that offense on his record. if they do that, they will be setting him up for failure if not out right crime as an adult life style because he can't find a job. i'm late chiming in on kindle's situation because i'm just getting back home from new orleans for the essence music festival. too much going on there to occupy myself on the computer. but i've read a lot of comments and both sides have valid points. obviously i've always been a big supporter of kindle and i will not turn my back on him because of this incident. back in my day, i had regretful incidents happen to me as an aggie student that i wouldn't dare think of doing now that i'm a full grown adult looking back on my life's experiences. matter of fact, i was also arrested as an aggie student for the first time and only time in my entire born life for doing something so "stupid" as shoplifting a sweater, and i was on track scholarship at a&t. police came to my dorm room and picked me up. never been so devastated before in my life. but i had no prior arrests on my record, my gpa was above 3.0, and i'd never been in trouble with the law before. so they sentenced me to community service and expunged the arrest from my record obviously because i was so young, that having that offense on my record would have ruined my life right out of the blocks. never did anything like that again in my life and have never been arrested again for anything in my life! and, most importantly, i did not lose my track scholarship. matter of fact, i don't think coach neely ever found out that i had been arrested. campus police escorted the greensboro police to my dorm, so campus police knew about the incident but coach never found out. i certainly didn't tell him. i completed my community service without incident and the offense was expunged from my record. moral of the story? its easy for us full grown adults to look at kindle getting pulled for a dwi and say how stupid it was. but he's still a kid who makes dumb mistakes like that. i'll guarantee you he's not the only football player or aggie student who has done that. he just got caught and the news went on blast. but kindle's conduct (driving while intoxicated) is not "uncommon" for college students. i'm not making excuses for him, but its true. i mean, you've got guys like unc's pj hairston who just got arrested for weed possession and driving without a license. again, looks "stupid" to most of us full grown adults. our first question is why would this guy risk his pro career over weed and driving without a license? but this kind of conduct is not uncommon for college students. these are the kind of mistakes that college students make. what's stupid regardless of age is making the very same mistake again. personally, i don't know what kindle got suspended for last year. could've been curfew violation, missing a meeting or practice, disrespecting a coach, could've been anything. so to link this dwi incident to last year's incident to me is unwarrented unless he got suspended for similar reasons last year. bottom line, it is very disappointing that kindle made such a poor decision to drive while intoxicated. but this incident doesn't make him a bad person no more than my incident as a student made me a bad person. i ain't gone lie, i never had a drink of liquor before in my life until my sophomore year at a&t. and i have driven as an aggie student while intoxicated, though not to the point where i was swerving or could not drive safely. but i did it and i'm sure a lot of other college students have done it too. college students do dumb stuff all the time. looking back on my college experience, i did some things that i would never do as a 30 year old or older, like accepting physical abuse in order to become a member of a fraternity or letting an inexperienced student (not a doctor) literally "brand" me like i'm an animal without no immediate medical or emergency staff being there. dumb stuff, that's what college students do, like it or not. so while i don't condone kindle's dwi conduct, i'm not gonna throw him under the bus either. like it or not, he's one of us! he's an aggie! and the same folk who are putting him down now, would be the first to claim him if kindle went on to become a star qb in the nfl. unc has already decided that hairston will not be permanently suspended despite the police finding a gun outside the vehicle he was driving. likewise, i do not feel kindle should be suspended for the entire season "unless" he was suspended for similar reasons last year. nor do i feel it's the end of the world for kindle. hopefully he will learn from this incident and never let it happen again...
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Post by AggieGroove on Jul 10, 2013 12:32:08 GMT -5
what is the defintion of the levels....i am confused by that?
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Post by Aggie77 on Jul 10, 2013 13:34:14 GMT -5
what is the defintion of the levels....i am confused by that? Penalty options (at the judge's discretion based incident factors) in the punishment hierarchy, with Level 1 being the harshest.
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