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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 15, 2007 8:39:56 GMT -5
If anyone actually believes that A&T can be 8-3 next year, they have never heard of this man's name. CURTIS HUNTER. Yeah, Curtis Hunter, he was the infamous A&T basketball coach that let the Aggies to a 1-26 record and the program has never recovered. It's the same situation here. To say they can go 8-3 next year is as crazy as if someone made that very same statement last year. The system is broken. The AD is clueless, they can't recruit, and the in-game coaching is horrible. Do you realize that they made their first field goal since 10/29/2005 just a couple of weeks ago? When I was there just a short time ago, they actually had a Pro Day. That meant NFL scouts would actually come to our stadium to look at the talent work out. Mo Smith, Mo Hicks, The Rock, Pellshack, and Chris McNeil to name a few. Who would they come to see now? Futhermore, the coach is being paid crazy amounts of money to do what any of us can do and that is lose every Saturday. It is as bad as it has ever been. I know you got Aggie Pride and aallllllll that, but wake up. Before we start talking about 8 wins, let's start talking about 1 first. That's what Curtis did.
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Post by firefobbs on Oct 15, 2007 9:03:42 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D 8-3? ? Please they are on a 23 game losing streak and counting!!! And you gone tell me that they will be 8-3 next year?? The only way they will get 8 wins is if they schedule Dudley, Page, Smith, Southeast Guilford, Northwest Guilford, Andrews, Northern Guilford and Southwest Guilford! Notice I didnt include Grimsley and Northeast Guilford because both of those schools will have a shot to win! They better bring Dudley and Page to death valley cause they might have a shot to win at home. Its one thing to have aggie pride but then its a whole other thing to be foolish. A&T sent more players to the NFL within a 7-8 year span than any school in NC. Im not sure if Hayes banged Renick's wife or slapped Renicks mama but why was he fired. Smalls had enough ability to win the MEAC with Hayes players in his first year! Why is Fobbs still around??? I could put a monkey in a suit and lose 18 in a row! ;D Curtis Hunter was fired after getting 1 win, so why is he still around? Furthermore who hired him? I think they need to start cleaning out their office as well. 8-3 hugh? Hope for 3-8 and then build on it for 2009. Why is Fobbs still around? What does he do all day other than play golf? He sure isnt putting a game plan together.
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Post by jaffejoffa on Oct 15, 2007 9:55:27 GMT -5
Disclaimer : Bornthrilla, I know you probably thought at first glance of that sign on name that it was your royalness himself, but it is not....
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Post by aggieman007 on Oct 15, 2007 10:16:06 GMT -5
FOBBS makes 165k a year a has not won a game please i have the feel since he came from a big time D1 program that he could float a few years and then retired. Didn't realized that the MEAC HAD SOME Very good coaches and he has to work. APP STATE COACH ONLY MAKES 125K he just started making that amount of money and he has won 2 national championships. Fobbs and DEE Todd both NEED TO GO period until there is some kind of public out burst w the fans and alumni nothing is going to change period. i was at the game sat set behind the team FOBBS Does not HAVE IT TOGETHER no game plan players are content on losing no sense of urgency no emotion too nice somebody need to strike some fire in the players
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Post by Maxell on Oct 15, 2007 12:06:40 GMT -5
players are content on losing no sense of urgency no emotion too nice somebody need to strike some fire in the players Sounds like our last coach.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 15, 2007 12:36:44 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying. I didn't know that about App. State coach getting paid less that Fobbs. This is ludicrous! Really people, what is going on at A&T? How could anyone think that they may win 8 games? Are they being sarcastic? They fired Hayes (a proven winner), gave Eaves an extension after averaging 5 wins a year, and have the nerve to want to ask me for alumni dues. For what? Who is in charge of firing Dee Todd (the AD)? I want to have a one on one conversation with him/her. Do you realize that you can't even purchase season basketball tickets for future years (like '09,'10 etc.)? They don't even understand that a dollar is worth more today than it is tomorrow. Microeconomics, Craig Hall/Merritt. We haven't even talked about team's graduation rates. Where are those stats? They're probably locked up with Renick's bookkeeping notes for that descretionary fund. I need some answers. Somebody help me.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 15, 2007 13:00:33 GMT -5
I agree aahhbig boy, but your alumni dues shouldn't be based soley on football. Now aggie club and victory club are different, if that is what you are talking about.
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Post by Tee-Sharp on Oct 15, 2007 15:43:18 GMT -5
gave Eaves an extension after averaging 5 wins a year Well in retrospect, this seems to have been a good decision. The basketball team was a pleasant surprise last year and appears headed for a promising season. Stability is there. Ok, carry on.
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Post by truthseeker on Oct 15, 2007 17:06:19 GMT -5
If anyone actually believes that A&T can be 8-3 next year, they have never heard of this man's name. CURTIS HUNTER. Yeah, Curtis Hunter, he was the infamous A&T basketball coach that let the Aggies to a 1-26 record and the program has never recovered. It's the same situation here. To say they can go 8-3 next year is as crazy as if someone made that very same statement last year. The system is broken. The AD is clueless, they can't recruit, and the in-game coaching is horrible. Do you realize that they made their first field goal since 10/29/2005 just a couple of weeks ago? When I was there just a short time ago, they actually had a Pro Day. That meant NFL scouts would actually come to our stadium to look at the talent work out. Mo Smith, Mo Hicks, The Rock, Pellshack, and Chris McNeil to name a few. Who would they come to see now? Futhermore, the coach is being paid crazy amounts of money to do what any of us can do and that is lose every Saturday. It is as bad as it has ever been. I know you got Aggie Pride and aallllllll that, but wake up. Before we start talking about 8 wins, let's start talking about 1 first. That's what Curtis did. hunter wasn't the reason the program went down... the people responsible for running corbett off are the ones who killed the program... & some of these same people weren't satisfied until they killed the football program.... the reason history always repeats itself at a&t is because nobody learns the 1st time... a&t has always had good coaches... the situation here is bad... a&t's remedy has always been to fire the coach... never change the situation.... if you had read the article in sat. n&r about del-st... it tells you what the ad has done there for fball & bball... they stopped the nonsense of firing coaches & decided to change the situation... not only have they improved facilities... they got the coaches to their scholarship max... & increased the budget so the coaches can not only go anywhere in the country & recruit... but can hang out in an area & scout talent themselves... the one thing dee has done for fobbs is change the situation... fobbs has the intangibles... mens bball on the other hand is still working with corbett's budget... so until someone wises up & get these guys where they can recruit all over & improve their situation... bball will not flourish the way it should... mens bball is the only program here that is practically paying for itself... for every dollar bball brings in ... fball sucks up 85% of it... it's time to take care of the bball program & watch it soar.... it's easy for me to see... i wonder why it is so hard for the powers that be.... but then again... i am a good student of history....
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Post by @ProfBellamy on Oct 15, 2007 17:13:49 GMT -5
I don't see 8-3 next year. However, what I see is that donations to athletics must be made on the premise that we're expecting improvements and we know that our budget compared to our peers is dismal. $6mil vs. $10mil (Del State- Yes, the state of Delaware gives money) and others in the MEAC.
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Post by viteblufifall80 on Oct 15, 2007 18:11:04 GMT -5
No you are not crazy, just want what everyone on the board wants--a win, or in your case maybe run the table. I have stated that I dream a lot but I am also a realist. We have a long summer ahead to wait for our 8-3 year, B-Boy, hopefully you have all of your facts, remember we have a giant recruiting budget of whopping 40k, the man can go to La. and stay with relatives and travel lower miss and work a few connections, he has to take over a team that like our student body was not up to the academic challenges. That means only 10 of 18 players come back to a team that has only practice one spring together, I feel you on this, this losing streak has made a better alumni, I buy my season tickets and contribute to aggie club. I encourage you to take advantage of an opportunity to talk to the coach, he makes his rounds to aggie club meeting in durham during off season. Keep in mind he was recruiting with a losing record and last in every statistical category. Any football coach must have at least three to four seasons, he began last fall with a team which 85% of them never took a snap in real game time, Even if you don't see it, the team is improving, clearly Sat. was a let down, coming off a great effort at MSU, so it hurts but unless you have more funds or a quick fix, just chill with rest of us and take our medicine. I don't recall Hayes ever having any student that could be consider for SGA president or a quarterback with a real major, so if we must do a lot with a freshman quarterback, a few good players, then maybe someone is also dreaming. He has committed to playing players from freshman on, the special teams clearly show that, if you look at any good team, look closely at who participates on their special teams,you can afford dre thorton or some DL to play-considering the demand the 3-5-3 scheme puts on them, so its going to be a long summer, and 8-3 next year is not crazy, if you thinks so, take away the pick-sixes, kick off returns and just plain old drive killing interceptions at critical times and then would you say the 40K man (Fobbs ) is all that, follow the path that NSU, DSU have gone thru, you won't find an 0-fer performance but you will see lighter competition, if you look NCCU was the only sorry team we should have clearly beat, there are other teams, but look at where they are in their conference races, like NSU & DSU, they right now are playing the best ball in the conference, good thing they are state schools and not just running transfer thru the fall going to no classes and applying for nlf draft in spring like some so-call great MEAC teams do, I must admit I will be disapponted if we have academic concerns with any of the players getting major PT, wayne campbell and dre Garth did it to us this year, garth would have been pre-season all conference pick.
B-Boy I have just begun to understand the full offense they are running simply because the execution has improved so it looks like something, defensively we don't have the depth to suStain a 3-5-3 scheme, it requires a lot of flying around and late in the game the shear responsibility leaveS you open for a big play-- maybe you have seen this before, okay would like to know what you think
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 15, 2007 18:58:31 GMT -5
Jaffe, this is all your fault.
I see you went away for a couple of days and brought back an army. LOL!
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 15, 2007 21:22:07 GMT -5
hunter wasn't the reason the program went down... the people responsible for running corbett off are the ones who killed the program... & some of these same people weren't satisfied until they killed the football program.... the reason history always repeats itself at a&t is because nobody learns the 1st time... a&t has always had good coaches... the situation here is bad... a&t's remedy has always been to fire the coach... never change the situation.... if you had read the article in sat. n&r about del-st... it tells you what the ad has done there for fball & bball... they stopped the nonsense of firing coaches & decided to change the situation... not only have they improved facilities... they got the coaches to their scholarship max... & increased the budget so the coaches can not only go anywhere in the country & recruit... but can hang out in an area & scout talent themselves... the one thing dee has done for fobbs is change the situation... fobbs has the intangibles... mens bball on the other hand is still working with corbett's budget... so until someone wises up & get these guys where they can recruit all over & improve their situation... bball will not flourish the way it should... mens bball is the only program here that is practically paying for itself... for every dollar bball brings in ... fball sucks up 85% of it... it's time to take care of the bball program & watch it soar.... it's easy for me to see... i wonder why it is so hard for the powers that be.... but then again... i am a good student of history.... Hunter couldn't coach us. He was used to little things like being able to afford a half-decent assistant and having the fed ex bill paid up so he could get game tape on his next opponent. Fobbs is in a similar predicament. Just cause his budget is larger than his predecessors still doesn't make it good. A d-3 coach could work wonders with our budget. But we're too big for a d-3 coach, right? Del State's coach fired Lavan's predecessor halfway through the season and then fired the interim when the year was over. Lavan fired his offensive coordinator and his defensive coordinator after one year. He fired his next defensive coordinator two years later. Oh they fire coaches in Dover. And until Petty was hired the coordinators made 40k a year. 40k!!!!!! If you know where to look and you know how to look you can get a good coordinator on the cheap. Why y'all think half Hayes' coordinators came from d-3 and high school or where position coaches at d-2s? The budget has to be increased unless we up and learn how to pick coaches. Our alumni will never give enough to support a successful d-1 program. We can't. It's up to the Chancellor and the board. I wish they'd wake the hell up and do something about it.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 15, 2007 21:43:21 GMT -5
No you are not crazy, just want what everyone on the board wants--a win, or in your case maybe run the table. I have stated that I dream a lot but I am also a realist. We have a long summer ahead to wait for our 8-3 year, B-Boy, hopefully you have all of your facts, remember we have a giant recruiting budget of whopping 40k, the man can go to La. and stay with relatives and travel lower miss and work a few connections, he has to take over a team that like our student body was not up to the academic challenges. That means only 10 of 18 players come back to a team that has only practice one spring together, I feel you on this, this losing streak has made a better alumni, I buy my season tickets and contribute to aggie club. I encourage you to take advantage of an opportunity to talk to the coach, he makes his rounds to aggie club meeting in durham during off season. Keep in mind he was recruiting with a losing record and last in every statistical category. Any football coach must have at least three to four seasons, he began last fall with a team which 85% of them never took a snap in real game time, Even if you don't see it, the team is improving, clearly Sat. was a let down, coming off a great effort at MSU, so it hurts but unless you have more funds or a quick fix, just chill with rest of us and take our medicine. I don't recall Hayes ever having any student that could be consider for SGA president or a quarterback with a real major, so if we must do a lot with a freshman quarterback, a few good players, then maybe someone is also dreaming. He has committed to playing players from freshman on, the special teams clearly show that, if you look at any good team, look closely at who participates on their special teams,you can afford dre thorton or some DL to play-considering the demand the 3-5-3 scheme puts on them, so its going to be a long summer, and 8-3 next year is not crazy, if you thinks so, take away the pick-sixes, kick off returns and just plain old drive killing interceptions at critical times and then would you say the 40K man (Fobbs ) is all that, follow the path that NSU, DSU have gone thru, you won't find an 0-fer performance but you will see lighter competition, if you look NCCU was the only sorry team we should have clearly beat, there are other teams, but look at where they are in their conference races, like NSU & DSU, they right now are playing the best ball in the conference, good thing they are state schools and not just running transfer thru the fall going to no classes and applying for nlf draft in spring like some so-call great MEAC teams do, I must admit I will be disapponted if we have academic concerns with any of the players getting major PT, wayne campbell and dre Garth did it to us this year, garth would have been pre-season all conference pick. B-Boy I have just begun to understand the full offense they are running simply because the execution has improved so it looks like something, defensively we don't have the depth to suStain a 3-5-3 scheme, it requires a lot of flying around and late in the game the shear responsibility leaveS you open for a big play-- maybe you have seen this before, okay would like to know what you think
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 15, 2007 22:27:34 GMT -5
I really, honestly think that you all are viewing this guy's performance from a fan's point of view. He is an absolutely horrible football coach (I'll get technical in a minute). First of all, what coach other than the great Steve Spurrier have you seen call plays from the sideline? No one on any level above highschool. He can't see coverages. He can't see how defensive lineman are slanting etc. So that means he's just calling plays out of the blue with no type of continuity. Defensively, a 3-5-3 scheme won't work on any level, especially in the MEAC. The d-lineman are undersized and the linebackers are not big or fast enough to run this type of defense. Furthermore, the type of athletes that he would need would never come to this school unless Bill Cosby could come in and give some $1000 dollar handshakes. Worst-to-first simply does not happen in football. Everyone wants to move on, but the firing of Hayes will prove to hurt A&T for years to come. It was idiotic. If I were Fobbs, I would continue to smooze the alumni too, if I wanted to keep my outrageous salary. Do you realize he is the highest paid black college coach in America and has yet to win a game? ?? Now, Basketball: We have the best high school basketball program in the state (Dudley) within walking distance of Corbett and the basketball coaches at A&T act like they don't have a clue. Why is there only 1 Dudley player on the roster? Why do I see Eaves and Keyes on the golf course when they've yet to reach 10 wins? Why do our post players handle the ball 20 feet from the basket? Why does our point guard shoot so much? Why does Eaves yell so much (good coaches don't need to yell the whole game)? Why are there more assistants than wins? How in world did Booker and Goins become inelgible? Isn't that new assistant related to a big wig at A&T? Is that why Eaves got the extension? It certainly wasn't based on performance! Dee Todd: This woman is destroying the athletic program. What kind of credentials does she have that makes everyone feel that she should even have the job? How did she hire Fobbs and give him that type of money (and a car)? How do you give a coach that averaged 5 wins over the course of his contract (Eaves) an extension? How do you fire Hayes? I repeat, how do you fire Hayes? Why can't season ticket books be sold for future years? On top of all of that, the executives that are supposed to be overseeing the Athletic Department are being audited by the Feds. We've got problems people.
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