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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 16, 2007 16:17:35 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok. I must admit, I didn't have a research assistant with me when I entered the last post. And I also must admit that out of all the teams excluding baseball and bowling, Eaves probably is doin the best job. He did follow a 1-26 coach, but I was a member of the team under Coach Thomas and I just know the terrible things that go on there.
But Dee Todd and Fobbs? Forget it, they are terrible. The should have been more specific when I said highest paid coach. Del St only has like 2 state schools, so the budget is bigger for the coach's pay (same for basketball). Go look it up. Southern has a small TV contract. But for the average black school like A&T, that salaray is outrageous. Especially for the results we're getting. My bad on the "Todd firing Hayes" thing. Got that mixed up with Scandrett (sp?), Davis etc... As far as the ticket sales, you've gotta be kidding. You think Duke basketball has any idea of who they are playing in 2010? No, but you better believe the tickets are already sold. No matter if you are a supporter or a complainer (like I'm doing), we all are agreeing that it's bad. I think everyone is too willing to settle for mediocrity and that is essentially all that I am saying. Losing seems to be OK at A&T now and I think that it's terrible. Take a look at that girl's basketball team. We've been losing forever in that sport and the new coach came in with the young assistant (that played at T) and in 1 year people, 1 year, they turned it around. It's not that hard in the MEAC. Yeah I know, football is different, but I could have taken 2-8 and then the next year maybe 4-7 etc but o'fer and then another o'fer? Come on.
Good discussion though, I appreciate the intelligent replies.
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Post by DOOMS on Oct 16, 2007 16:39:23 GMT -5
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Post by bluehaze on Oct 16, 2007 18:46:41 GMT -5
So Fobbs is making more than half the head coaches in the 1A MAC conference
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Post by dj98 on Oct 16, 2007 19:23:22 GMT -5
So Fobbs is making more than half the head coaches in the 1A MAC conference
And Fobbs can't beat anyone of those teams in the mac.........
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Post by Bornthrilla on Oct 16, 2007 20:43:11 GMT -5
Man, those U-haul pictures are killing me. That's some funny stuff.
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Post by econgrad71 on Oct 16, 2007 22:27:18 GMT -5
aahhbigboy... Give it a rest!!! Hayes is history, and that's a good thing. The Hayes' dismissal has been discussed hundreds of times on this message board... pick another topic...PLEASE!
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 17, 2007 6:26:57 GMT -5
Give it a rest? What? We are going on our second straight o'fer and we have people talking about giving it a rest. This is what I'm talking about. People don't even want to remember when we used to win It's crazy. It's like accepting president Bush's actions because he's been bad for 7 years. Same mentality. I'm not letting up. These people have to go. lol
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 17, 2007 6:27:52 GMT -5
P.S., Hayes is still winning.
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Post by dj98 on Oct 17, 2007 7:24:21 GMT -5
(P.S., Hayes is still winning.0
And is going to keep winning..........
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Post by aggieman007 on Oct 17, 2007 7:53:23 GMT -5
DOOMS THAT IS GOOD INFO ABOUT COACHES SALARY.Fobbs is over paid.
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Post by dj98 on Oct 17, 2007 7:55:50 GMT -5
(Fobbs is over paid.)
Bigtime!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by holdum on Oct 17, 2007 8:12:11 GMT -5
Fobbs may make more than most of the MAC coaches and the app coach but you need to take a closer look at how those contracts are awarded. Take the Bowling Green coach for example. He makes 150 according to that website but if you look closer to the contract he has the ability to make about 60,000 more in incentives based on academic performance, statistics, rankings, etc. and the big one, TV. He gets a guaranteed 20,000 for his TV/media contract and that amount stands to be higher at the discretion of the AD. I can't state for a fact that the app coach has these incentives built in to his contract but it is a pretty good bet. Fobbs salary may be high by MEAC standards but comparing him to other big programs without factoring in TV contracts, Nike/clothes contracts, other promotional contracts, etc. is comparing apples to oranges. Either way he needs to start producing on the field to justify what he is getting in the bank.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Oct 17, 2007 8:35:36 GMT -5
Forget the man's salary. He is in-line with what a head coach makes in the MEAC. As AggieOne stated: "There are 4 coaches in the MEAC getting paid higher", so saying he is over paid is ridiculous.
He is just not producing and he's just not worthy of the job right now, no mater what his salary is. None of you would be saying this losing streak was OK if he was getting 90K. Either you produce or you dont! If you dont then you should be fired, and that's on any job. The garbage man dumps my garbage perfectly, but if he spills it on my driveway all the time his a$$ needs to be fired. i dont care if he making minimum wage and aint costing the city much. Get his a$$ outa there. i feel the same way about Fobbs/coahing. I dont care if he making 50K, if we aint winning get his a$$ out of there.
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Post by Aggie One on Oct 17, 2007 9:07:55 GMT -5
Very true. Contracts these days are heavily laced with incentive and perks and not just base salary. Case in point is Al Lavan at DSU - $175,000 base guaranteed, $25,000 - top finish, $25,000 - playoff, $35,000 improved team academic standing, percentage TV show revenue, percentage football camp revenue, free wheels for staff from local car dealership sponsor.
DSU's prez dumped about $5 million additional into their athletic budget and you quickly saw the results from 1-11 to 7-1 in three years. Heck, their basketball coach has an even better set up and a base well over $200,000. Now keep in mind to do that, they raised student activity fees nearly $1,000 per student to get there.
Under UNC's system, that will never be approved nor would Bowles give any Chancellor (at least at an HBCU) carte blanche to that. You guys can harp and harp about the coach and AD didn't do this and didn't do that all day long if that is what gets you off. But these are the indisputable facts and just a few of the points I will be making in this week's column. It's literally about the cash flow.
There has been no increase in the athletic budget since Todd's tenure began and none since Charlie Davis was fired under Renick.
Unless the Board of Trustees and the Chancellor decide that athletics will be the driving point that will win the public relations war and bring the university the noterieity it seeks that will attract better quality students, corporate sponsorships and additional academic programs/grants and follows that up with a substantial financial commitment, we are paying lip service to a much deeper issue.
You have to invest real capital on the front end to build infrastructure to reap long term profit and move up and overtake your competition.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 17, 2007 9:52:28 GMT -5
Very true. Contracts these days are heavily laced with incentive and perks and not just base salary. Case in point is Al Lavan at DSU - $175,000 base guaranteed, $25,000 - top finish, $25,000 - playoff, $35,000 improved team academic standing, percentage TV show revenue, percentage football camp revenue, free wheels for staff from local car dealership sponsor. DSU's prez dumped about $5 million additional into their athletic budget and you quickly saw the results from 1-11 to 7-1 in three years. Heck, their basketball coach has an even better set up and a base well over $200,000. Now keep in mind to do that, they raised student activity fees nearly $1,000 per student to get there. Under UNC's system, that will never be approved nor would Bowles give any Chancellor (at least at an HBCU) carte blanche to that. You guys can harp and harp about the coach and AD didn't do this and didn't do that all day long if that is what gets you off. But these are the indisputable facts and just a few of the points I will be making in this week's column. It's literally about the cash flow. There has been no increase in the athletic budget since Todd's tenure began and none since Charlie Davis was fired under Renick. Unless the Board of Trustees and the Chancellor decide that athletics will be the driving point that will win the public relations war and bring the university the noterieity it seeks that will attract better quality students, corporate sponsorships and additional academic programs/grants and follows that up with a substantial financial commitment, we are paying lip service to a much deeper issue. You have to invest real capital on the front end to build infrastructure to reap long term profit and move up and overtake your competition. No one can deny the money situation. But what I'm saying is that still doesn't matter. Did they decrease the budget since Hayes was here? Exactly. That's just an excuse. Is Central's budget more that T's? Exactly. Delaware only has a couple of state schools and that is why their budget is higher. Compare T to Morgan or Bethune or something. It doesn't matter, we are taking the lumps because we have a lame duck coach, period. If he had Tom Brady on this same team, we wouldn't finish the season with more than 2 wins because only one coach can call offensive plays from the sideline and that is Steve Spurrier. And as far as the salary goes, if Fobbs was at 50-60K, at least I could say we're getting what we pay for. Are we now? Alright then, get him outta here.
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