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Post by Aggie Monster on Feb 21, 2012 8:03:43 GMT -5
Recruiting against the MEAC is not very hard. I honestly think you can do it without leaving NC,VA, and SC for most of your players. Especially if you recruit white kids. Which brings up a whole different discussion of the so called "low" recruiting budget excuse.
But again, its not recruiting. Yeah, he could have got another big man to replace Coleman, but in my eyes Coleman was irreplaceable(by any MEAC team) the way he played his last year.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Feb 21, 2012 9:23:52 GMT -5
I have been saying for years that Eaves recruits are on par with the rest of the MEAC. Eaves does a pretty good job in recruting.
I to was suprised we did not see any of the freshman. I want call names but there is one that can jump out of the gym and causes problems for opponents in the back court press. (Texas Diva knows who) If we are gone play 10 -12 players most games why dont we bring real back pressue instead of the token trap press we do ?
My biggest complaint with Eaves is substitution patterns - get in a rythum and you coming out ? I just cant come up with any valid reasons for his sub patterns !!
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Post by aggiebred09 on Feb 21, 2012 10:03:44 GMT -5
SHAW U is undefeated in the CIAA.... I dont know how more or less competitive the conferences are, but im sure some of those players could do the same if not better in the MEAC. We need to wise up.
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Post by neighborhoodsuperstar on Feb 21, 2012 10:23:35 GMT -5
Don't compare CIAA basketball to MEAC basketball. Contrary to what many believe, they are not the same. Sure a Shaw could beat an A&T on a given night, but Shaw would not be at or near the top of the MEAC after a full year of competition. You saw how Winston struggled in basketball competition in the MEAC -> look at them now in the CIAA.
CIAA BASKETBALL =/= MEAC BASKETBALL
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 21, 2012 12:05:01 GMT -5
Aggie1, I was wondering the same thing myself.....I try to keep an eye on the freshmen. There were at least three players who did not play or see any action for the Aggies. Who knows what' s going on with this man!!!  i can't say that i know for sure what eaves was thinking, but sometimes a coach doesn't feel comfortable putting freshmen in a game that is so "intense" that every possession of the game is critical. its not very often that our guys play in front of a "sellout" crowd (especially at home) where the "tension" of the crowd can literally be felt by the players. sometimes, freshmen have a hard time maintaining their composure in games like that. maybe that's why eaves didn't play his freshmen and i can understand that. if he's gonna play freshmen in a game like that, i would think he'd put them in the game early where any mistakes they make can be cleaned up over the course of the balance of the game. but if ya don't put them in early and the game is tight in the 2nd half, its too late to risk putting them in cold turkey when the outcome of the game is on the line. overall, i think eaves played his cards fairly well against central. i mean, let's make something clear. there is no one person on our entire roster who can stop dominique sutton "one-on-one". so eaves had no choice but to double down on sutton when he got the ball on the low post and take his chances that central's guards would miss the open 3 pointers when sutton kicks it back out. well, central didn't cooperate. they hit the open 3's. the only other thing that eaves might have done is play a half court zone defense so that sutton couldn't have his way in the paint. but again, even with weakside help from the zone against sutton, we'd still leave some open looks from 3 point land. bottom line, we had no answer for sutton. we have enough "length" on our team to front sutton and deny him receipt of the ball. but none of our "length" guys are strong enough to sustain position against sutton except upchurch. but the only problem with upchurch guarding sutton is that sutton could blow by upchurch with his first step. i think in this game, both coaches played their cards correctly and it came down to execution. they out executed us, so they won the game. it was that simple. in crutch time when it mattered the most, they made plays and we didn't. if central hadn't tried to throw the game away in the closing 60 seconds, they would've won by double digits... |
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Post by aggie2ru on Feb 21, 2012 12:26:04 GMT -5
Excellent insight but Eaves played some frosh in the first nccu game. Eaves' substitution patterns are not stable at all. Who he starts and who he plays changes from game-to-game. If you don't know what you got at this stage of the year (25+ games) and figured out a set starting lineup and playa rotation, including a successful style of play then............you just don't know! How many successful teams does anybody know of at 25+ games in the season that don't have a set starting 5  |
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 21, 2012 12:46:32 GMT -5
2ru, i have to agree. i have a big problem with coach eaves' typical rotations. he plays too many guys, too much changing of the parts for me. i suppose he's either trying to keep guys happy by getting as many of them as possible in each game, or maybe (i'm just guessing) he's trying to wear his opponents down. i dunno.
but it frustrates the heck outta me too when he's constantly pulling guys in and out of the game, and nobody can really find a good rhythm. i'd prefer to find my top 8 or 9 guys based on matchups for a given game, and stick with them for the entire game unless we open up like a 20 point lead. to me, a 20 point lead means its okay to extend your bench as long as it doesn't jeopardize the outcome of the game.
i think eaves played 10 different guys against central and none of them were freshmen. if ya not gonna play the freshmen, i wouldn't have played j. williams nor j. louisme either. i would've stuck with powell, upchurch, hill, simpson, witter, smith, underwood, and buck. personally, i think siverand would've held up okay in that game, but i can understand why eaves may have held him out along with estes.
but in a game like the central game that's so close, i wouldn't have gone any deeper than 8 or 9 guys for the entire game...
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Post by aggiejazz on Feb 21, 2012 17:16:23 GMT -5
Recruiting against the MEAC is not very hard. I honestly think you can do it without leaving NC,VA, and SC for most of your players. Especially if you recruit white kids. Which brings up a whole different discussion of the so called "low" recruiting budget excuse. But again, its not recruiting. Yeah, he could have got another big man to replace Coleman, but in my eyes Coleman was irreplaceable(by any MEAC team) the way he played his last year. I think you are shooting bull with the your recruiting statements as it concerns basketball. You are not winning in Division I basketball just recruiting in NC. Has any NC school made a lot of noise with a bunch NC players? Maybe Davidson comes to mind but since Curry left, where are they?. The MEAC has been doing a round robin since 1988, the end of A&T's dominance in the MEAC. It was Coppin, then SC State, then Hampton, then FAMU, then Del State, then Hampton, then Morgan State and back to Hampton. Hampton has really been the mainstay over the last decade. Those MEAC championship teams have done it with players from up and down the east coast and in several cases the champions had transfers from mid-major and major universities. There is no easy road to being a champion. Cheating makes it easier but that way of doing business usually catches up with you. A&T hasn't won a regular season championship and tourney championship in the same season since 1987-1988 for a whole lot of reasons. And the attitude that it can be easily done is one of the major reason because if you think it is easy, you end of making stupid decisions and listening to dumb opinions. |
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Post by saabman on Feb 21, 2012 18:59:31 GMT -5
Points made all!! Look as in any sport at the college level you Recruite on need and need only. Thats just the way it is. A&T needs to find Big men that can play inside. That youngman from Texas should be geting more playing time ( freshmen or not) and Eaves substitution patterns needs to show more improvment. You don't take a player out when he is in a rythum, It's just like in Football if a runner is on point you don't replace him, you roll with him. If you have a Bunch of players from NC that can play fine go with them but it's not were the players are from! IT'S CAN THEY PLAY AND THATS ALL A&T SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT.
If I was coaching A&T yes I would look instate for my big men and if I could not find the one I needed I would look out of state. There are a number of Big men wit size out their, that are good students, so don't tell me that you can't find one if you are looking for one. Texas is full of big players with size and speed. It's not a color thing so don't throw that out there
It's a player thing!! A&T is not that far off in the MEAC .A player here are their and we are in the show but you can't just play marry go round with your players if you have a group that is geting the job done You just can't brake there rythum like that .
Any player is replaceable YOU JUST HAVE TO FIND THAT PLAYER!! I'll play a freshmen in a heart beat in a close game if he is getting the job done (so some of you can throw that out too).
aggiejazz: That team that Curry played on at Davidson had a # of NC players but a bunch of out of state players also. I think that most of their big men were from out of state anyway.
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Post by Aggie Monster on Feb 21, 2012 20:07:46 GMT -5
Recruiting against the MEAC is not very hard. I honestly think you can do it without leaving NC,VA, and SC for most of your players. Especially if you recruit white kids. Which brings up a whole different discussion of the so called "low" recruiting budget excuse. But again, its not recruiting. Yeah, he could have got another big man to replace Coleman, but in my eyes Coleman was irreplaceable(by any MEAC team) the way he played his last year. I think you are shooting bull with the your recruiting statements as it concerns basketball. You are not winning in Division I basketball just recruiting in NC. Has any NC school made a lot of noise with a bunch NC players? Maybe Davidson comes to mind but since Curry left, where are they?. The MEAC has been doing a round robin since 1988, the end of A&T's dominance in the MEAC. It was Coppin, then SC State, then Hampton, then FAMU, then Del State, then Hampton, then Morgan State and back to Hampton. Hampton has really been the mainstay over the last decade. Those MEAC championship teams have done it with players from up and down the east coast and in several cases the champions had transfers from mid-major and major universities. There is no easy road to being a champion. Cheating makes it easier but that way of doing business usually catches up with you. A&T hasn't won a regular season championship and tourney championship in the same season since 1987-1988 for a whole lot of reasons. And the attitude that it can be easily done is one of the major reason because if you think it is easy, you end of making stupid decisions and listening to dumb opinions. Reading is fundamental. I clearly said NC, VA, and SC(you even quoted it). I still stand behind my statement though. There are plenty of players in NC, VA, and SC that can be put together to win the MEAC. PLENTY! I aint stupid, of course you recruit your need. If you want to add GA to that list go ahead. Point is that you can recruit within a 5-6 hour driving distance and do pretty well in Greensboro. You can fool yourself into thinking that the MEAC talent is overwhelming and you need some "monster" ballers to win on a consistent basis. Not so in our conference. Overall the coaching is so-so and the talent is pretty so-so. Give me a GOOD coach that recruits well in those 3 states any day over what some of the MEAC is putting on the floor right now. |
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Post by saabman on Feb 21, 2012 20:25:22 GMT -5
I think you are shooting bull with the your recruiting statements as it concerns basketball. You are not winning in Division I basketball just recruiting in NC. Has any NC school made a lot of noise with a bunch NC players? Maybe Davidson comes to mind but since Curry left, where are they?. The MEAC has been doing a round robin since 1988, the end of A&T's dominance in the MEAC. It was Coppin, then SC State, then Hampton, then FAMU, then Del State, then Hampton, then Morgan State and back to Hampton. Hampton has really been the mainstay over the last decade. Those MEAC championship teams have done it with players from up and down the east coast and in several cases the champions had transfers from mid-major and major universities. There is no easy road to being a champion. Cheating makes it easier but that way of doing business usually catches up with you. A&T hasn't won a regular season championship and tourney championship in the same season since 1987-1988 for a whole lot of reasons. And the attitude that it can be easily done is one of the major reason because if you think it is easy, you end of making stupid decisions and listening to dumb opinions. Reading is fundamental. I clearly said NC, VA, and SC(you even quoted it). I still stand behind my statement though. There are plenty of players in NC, VA, and SC that can be put together to win the MEAC. PLENTY! I aint stupid, of course you recruit your need. If you want to add GA to that list go ahead. Point is that you can recruit within a 5-6 hour driving distance and do pretty well in Greensboro. You can fool yourself into thinking that the MEAC talent is overwhelming and you need some "monster" ballers to win on a consistent basis. Not so in our conference. Overall the coaching is so-so and the talent is pretty so-so. Give me a GOOD coach that recruits well in those 3 states any day over what some of the MEAC is putting on the floor right now. MONSTER: I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ;D A&T CAN FIND MOST OF THEIR NEEDS WITH IN A 5-6 HOUR DRIVE BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE IS FINDING A BIG MAN WITH SIZE BUT ANYTHING OTHER CAN BE FOUND RIGHT AT HOME  |
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Post by Aggie Monster on Feb 21, 2012 20:45:05 GMT -5
MONSTER: I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ;D A&T CAN FIND MOST OF THEIR NEEDS WITH IN A 5-6 HOUR DRIVE BUT THE ONLY PROBLEM I SEE IS FINDING A BIG MAN WITH SIZE BUT ANYTHING OTHER CAN BE FOUND RIGHT AT HOME Right, you go after big men, but to go sit in the house of a 6ft3 mid-major guard in Tennessee, Mid-West, West Coast, or NY is just a waste of recruiting trip and money in my opinion. You can find that much closer. I understand him recruiting KY when he goes home, but other than that I just dont get. For the most part he has done exactly that. He has 5 players outside that radius, which is too many in my opinion. I would have 3 at the most. Whitter being a 6'8 guard was worth the gamble. He could have/can been a real steal if he was coached up. Siverand is a physical speciman. Also has a lot of potential. He was a good pickup. Hope he sticks around if Eaves is shown the door. |
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Post by saabman on Feb 21, 2012 21:10:46 GMT -5
I feel ya on that. That kid Waylan Siverand is a player also. I saw him play in High School and in summer AAU. Eaves should let that kid loose!!
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Feb 21, 2012 21:41:47 GMT -5
me personally, i could care less where eaves or any other aggie coach gets their recruits from. all i care about is how well can they play.
if they all come from nc, fine. if none are from nc, fine. i don't care if they're from russia. as long as they've got "a&t aggies" on their jersey and win championsips, they could be from japan for all i care...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Feb 21, 2012 22:29:52 GMT -5
LOL - I agree I could care less where we get players as long as they can ball. As I said earlier Eaves does a good job recruting - there is talent on his team.
My question is if we are going to play 10-12 guys why dont we bring more presure. Instead of our token press.
I got to think Eaves strategy of so many players is to wear down the opponent ?
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