oleschoolaggie
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Sept 30, 2009 16:19:46 GMT -5
yeah, i see the pattern and i hope it continues. but come on, dude doesn't even "start" on his own high school team. yeah, i know its demantha, but still. he's just the 6th man and he's only 6'-1". the only encouraging thing i've read so far is that bozeman went after him too. if bozeman went after him, chances are he can't be all bad. at least eaves has the right idea, recruiting from the wcac. the only problem is that we're getting 2nd and 3rd tier guys, while bozeman and former hampton coach (nickelberry) have been getting 1st tier guys. oh well, i guess its better than signing those kentucky recruits. we're not gonna win an meac championship unless we land at least 1 "legitimate" stud, but preferably two. apparently, eaves doesn't desire or doesn't attract major d1 transfers. he's had a juco or two, and rush transferred from unc-a, but that's about it. both bozeman and evans have d1 transfers on their squads... Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading!!! I've been saying that all along. Please keep in mind that while we're making "inroads", we are approaching a decade under the Eaves regime. naw, i posted that statement in order to get you to come out of hibernation! seriously though, i've never said eaves was above criticism. i still support him 100%, but that doesn't mean i won't criticize him. i think witter, upchurch, and smith are quality recruits that should see action as freshmen. but i'm not as confident about the others. yet, i'd be the first to admit that all i know is what i've seen and read on the internet. so i could be completely wrong about all of them. i'm batting about .500 when it comes to preseason assessments of recruits. like i said before, i'll have to give eaves the benefit of the doubt until the season starts...
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Post by Trueaggie on Sept 30, 2009 23:14:11 GMT -5
I say again, Eaves will not get much better than he is now. This is regardless of what he brings in; it is not the coach but . I just don't agree with his basketball philosophy; I hope I am wrong but so far he has proven me correct. Some of the things he does that will not allow him to win an MEAC title are: 1. Insists on playing seniors even when they don't contribute to success of the team. 2. No D1 drop downs to boost skill level. 3. Rotation of players doesn't allow for a team to gel. I accept that this is his team and he needs to run it as he believes he should; running an HBCU program takes a special talent. I just don't think Eaves has it; hopefully I am wrong.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 1, 2009 9:13:00 GMT -5
Trueaggie, I have been screaming that as loud as I can. I agree with every single letter in that post!!!!
Anyone that knows anything knows that Eaves' biggest skill is keeping a good relationship with Wheeler. And that's sad. He did a great job of picking the program off the ground. We HAVE to give him that. But, we are 15-20 years away from a championship with his recruiting/coaching skills. Sorry. Every year, more and more people start to see it.
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Post by Gator on Oct 1, 2009 10:16:37 GMT -5
Since it's been many years since an HBCU program has won consisently on the national level, and that no HBCU program has won a national championship on the D1 level, I wonder what the correct formula is to do so.
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Post by aahhbigboy on Oct 1, 2009 11:05:41 GMT -5
Since it's been many years since an HBCU program has won consisently on the national level, and that no HBCU program has won a national championship on the D1 level, I wonder what the correct formula is to do so. I haven't even gottenthat far Gaor. I'm still working on a regular season Championship. Then I'll focus on conference. We're far far away.
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 1, 2009 13:43:46 GMT -5
Yea the jury is out on this years recruits other than Witter & Upchurch. I think its hard to point a recruting finger at Eaves this year since both Witter and Upchurch had solid intrest and other offers from other schools. as Oldschool said I support Eaves but that does not mean he is above criticiszm.
It's well documented that both Witter and Upchurh were on the radar screen for several schools. Both are solid accademically. I am little unsure about the two kids from Maryland and the Powell kid but I give Eaves the benefit of the doubt. After all he did recruit Jason Wills, Coleman, Ed Jones, Rush. And there also a list of knuckle heads and dud basketball players that were recruited to.
trueaggie i dont always agree with his strategy but i know the man knows basketball.
"2. No D1 drop downs to boost skill level." ----- We are Div 1 there is no drop down if you transfer from another D1 you sit out a year. Or maybe you are just referring to transfering from a top D1 to a mid-major ?
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Post by da heretic on Oct 1, 2009 14:36:01 GMT -5
Quote from Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhbigboy:
"Every year, more and more people start to see it."
Who?
As for coaches gettin better, what coach improves? Either they're good or not, imo. They get more experience, but I don't believe that coaches get better. Did Wooden suck then improve, Red Auerbauch (sp), Dean Smith, etc? They were just good.
Btw, kids transfer to schools because they want to, not because even the coach disallows them; the kid picks the school, not vice versa. Now, a coach can say they aint got no space for kid, or he doesn't fit into the system, but what little bit I know, I haven't heard of a coach preventing transfers (Can you say Rush or Nic Wilson?). But all of this is off the thread topic. I like the current class and am getting excited about next season's class.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 1, 2009 16:22:58 GMT -5
for me, its the women that i'm looking forward to seeing. i think they have a very good chance to repeat as meac champions and i'm dying to see coach bibbs' recruits/transfer. the folks at morgan and hampton contend that they'll knock the lady aggies off this year. personally, i don't see that happening.
as for the men, i think we're gonna see more of the same. middle of the pack type team. i don't really get too excited about that because we've been doing that 3 or 4 years in a row now. so i just can't get too hyped about the men. this is now officially "bozeman's conference" in my opinion. until eaves matches morgan's talent level, i think there's little to no chance we'll win the meac.
i hope i'm wrong, but the best we can hope for is to make it to the semi's of the tournament, which we haven't done since eaves has been our coach. hail, we haven't even won a tournament game during eaves' era. i'd be willing to bet that the commis is praying that we get out of the first round this year. otherwise, you'll hear crickets at joel next march...
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Post by aggiejazz on Oct 1, 2009 18:24:49 GMT -5
Oleschool, I beg to differ with this conference being owned by Bozeman. Remember Jackson of Del State. He had a 3 year run and then fell off the MEAC map. Bozeman has 2 regular season championships and one MEAC Tourny title (this is really the goal and gold).
I think there are 4 MEAC teams that have a serious say about the title this year: they are Morgan, Norfolk State, SC State and Coppin State. I don't think Morgan has more talent over these teams. I think Bethune Cookman, A&T, Hampton and maybe FAMU could fall into the top 5 finish. Howard and Maryland Eastern Shore are going to have to prove their worth.
I support Eaves but he must win a tournament game this year, no excuses. His team must play more consistently good this year, no excuses. The Aggies have talent but their newcomers are physically weak and I am not sure how much stronger Coleman has gotten since March of this year when he and his whole team got pushed around by Coppin State.
I hear complaints about the recruiting recently. When was the last time you heard an HBCU grabbed a recruit directly out of historic national basketball power, DeMatha? This recruit isn't a bench warmer, he is/was the sixth man. I also don't think Bozeman got that stud player this year.
By the way, Eaves reached the semi-finals in Rush's junior year. They loss a close one in the last minute of the game.
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Post by cnixon79 on Oct 1, 2009 19:59:19 GMT -5
Well I couldn't let this opportunity past. To comment, I want to say that Powell would be a good addition and a surprise to others. You must understand that Powell played a post-grad year. He went head to head against Major and Mid major talent everynight. Which makes him further along then the other freshman. Also, Powell to other offers from Alcorn State, and Alabama St.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 1, 2009 22:25:05 GMT -5
Oleschool, I beg to differ with this conference being owned by Bozeman. Remember Jackson of Del State. He had a 3 year run and then fell off the MEAC map. Bozeman has 2 regular season championships and one MEAC Tourny title (this is really the goal and gold). I think there are 4 MEAC teams that have a serious say about the title this year: they are Morgan, Norfolk State, SC State and Coppin State. I don't think Morgan has more talent over these teams. I think Bethune Cookman, A&T, Hampton and maybe FAMU could fall into the top 5 finish. Howard and Maryland Eastern Shore are going to have to prove their worth. I support Eaves but he must win a tournament game this year, no excuses. His team must play more consistently good this year, no excuses. The Aggies have talent but their newcomers are physically weak and I am not sure how much stronger Coleman has gotten since March of this year when he and his whole team got pushed around by Coppin State. I hear complaints about the recruiting recently. When was the last time you heard an HBCU grabbed a recruit directly out of historic national basketball power, DeMatha? This recruit isn't a bench warmer, he is/was the sixth man. I also don't think Bozeman got that stud player this year. By the way, Eaves reached the semi-finals in Rush's junior year. They loss a close one in the last minute of the game. yeah, but jackson was largely successful because he "use to" have the largest budget in the meac and he's also the highest paid coach from my understanding. jackson no longer has the advantage of the largest budget since dsu now has a new president. that's why jackson and dsu dropped. bozeman's success was not predicated on a large budget. his success came from his connections with the college basketball world and his ability to coach. so don't expect bozeman's production to drop off. that's the difference between jackson and bozeman. i agree that norfolk could challenge morgan this year but morgan has more talent. morgan has size and talent. but scsu has to prove themselves to me. i know they finished 2nd in the regular standings last year, but they didn't dominate anybody (except for us on national tv). and remember, 2nd place was up for grabs all the way until the last week of the season. and we were in the running! i don't think coppin is gonna be particularly strong this year. they loss the best player, ty mckee, who did all of their clutch scoring for them. and i don't recall coppin having that much talent coming back. the thing about basketball is that you really don't know how each school's recruits will pan out until the season starts. so its hard to say who the top teams will be except for morgan and norfolk. but evans struggles at nsu from time to time. bozeman never struggles. so imo, bozeman is the man until someone else proves otherwise. i'll bet you a sausage sandwich and a coke that morgan will be the preseason pick to win the meac this season. and regarding the kid from damatha, i've already admitted i could be completely wrong about the recruits. but i do know that both bozeman and former hampton coach (nickelberry) signed players from the same league who were 1st and 2nd team all metropolitan washington (all met for short) which is the highest athletic honor in the dc/md/va metropolitan area. marc hill, lawrence smith, r.j. buck, and justin black are all from the wcac league, but none of them were 1st or 2nd team all met. i don't even think any of them were honorable mention. now, that doesn't mean they aren't quality players. i'm just saying the caliber of players that bozeman and nickelberry got from that league were higher caliber players than ours. but yes, its true that most 6th men at damatha would easily start on most other high school teams...
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Post by thefriscotxaggie on Oct 1, 2009 23:34:59 GMT -5
oldschool,
What's the deal with McKee from Coppin. I thought he was junior last year
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Post by pj on Oct 5, 2009 21:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by oleschoolaggie on Oct 5, 2009 21:26:50 GMT -5
oldschool, What's the deal with McKee from Coppin. I thought he was junior last year naw, mckee was definitely a senior last year. in fact, he might have been a 5th year senior at that...
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Post by truthseeker on Oct 8, 2009 16:43:48 GMT -5
oldschool, What's the deal with McKee from Coppin. I thought he was junior last year naw, mckee was definitely a senior last year. in fact, he might have been a 5th year senior at that... try 6yr. senior...
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