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Post by aahhbigboy on May 11, 2009 13:16:58 GMT -5
Yeah, money is always a factor, but VCU is a better job.
Before you attack me for not being an aggie again, just consider a couple of things......
1. No football program so all the attention is on the bball program. 2. Facilities are much better (not required to win in the MEAC, but on the next level it sure helps, especially when you're the only show in town). 3. Potential for advancement is far greater! If the head coach at VCU keeps doing well, she'll be at a major within 3 years. 4. No stigma attached to being a part of the worse conference in America.
These things probably played just as much or more a part in leaving.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 11, 2009 14:29:04 GMT -5
i don't think anyone would argue with the notion that vcu is a higher profiled basketball program than a&t, but i'd say moreso on the men's side than the women. i mean, when you look at what anthony grant was able to accomplish in recent years at vcu including a march madness win over duke, no question vcu is a higher profiled basketball program.
but i think their women's program is on our level in terms of competitiveness, but they've got a lot more resources than we do. odu and jmu are the powers of the caa where odu dominated for many many years. but other than those two, we can hold our own against the rest of the league. actually, we'd probably hold our own against jmu also but odu is out of the question. they're usually a top 25 program.
by the way, great facilities "always" helps no matter what league you're in...
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 12, 2009 9:00:41 GMT -5
but i think their women's program is on our level in terms of competitiveness, but they've got a lot more resources than we do. odu and jmu are the powers of the caa where odu dominated for many many years. but other than those two, we can hold our own against the rest of the league. quote] I wouldn't speak so fast. Traditionally, that may be true, but last year VCU outperformed both of those schools. And our ladies team (last year only) may be able to get you on any given night, but to say we can compete in that league is probably a bit of a stretch. VCU is clearly ahead of JMU and ODU right now. I wouldn't say it if I didn't have numbers. wbca.org/rpi.asp
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Post by aggiejazz on May 12, 2009 10:02:34 GMT -5
but i think their women's program is on our level in terms of competitiveness, but they've got a lot more resources than we do. odu and jmu are the powers of the caa where odu dominated for many many years. but other than those two, we can hold our own against the rest of the league. quote] I wouldn't speak so fast. Traditionally, that may be true, but last year VCU outperformed both of those schools. And our ladies team (last year only) may be able to get you on any given night, but to say we can compete in that league is probably a bit of a stretch. VCU is clearly ahead of JMU and ODU right now. I wouldn't say it if I didn't have numbers. wbca.org/rpi.aspAahhbigboy, VCU program being better than ODU's program is a conjecture at this point. This year for the first time in 18 straight years, ODU did not win its conference tournament. ODU had won 17 straight tournament titles. I know that the ODU women BB fans are now feeling a little shaky with Delaware, JMU, VCU and William and Mary along with a couple of other conference teams coming at ODU hard. I will give aahhbigbaby this: losing a very good recruiter can hurt a program's ability to get top talent and ODU is a case in point. ODU was a national power when they were able to bring in players from Portugal and from Portugal's former colonies. Their top recruiter, a fine American chick I know, could speak several languanges. She decided to leave basketball to get her Phd and start a fitness business about 10 years ago. Two years after she left, ODU hasn't been a top 10 team since and their frequency into the Sweet 16 has dwindle.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 12, 2009 10:48:18 GMT -5
Yeah Jazz, I wasn't saying that VCU was better, because arguments can be made either way (that's why I put "traditionally" in bold). And one team you left out is Drexel. I believe they won the regular season this year! That's why I think oldeschool was really stretching with our ladies and that conference.
But losing a great recruiter is an undeniable blow. And that's a good point about ODU's program. I didn't know what happened, but it was obvious that something did! There are very few head coaches in both the men and women's game that attract talent based on their name. It's normally the guy sitting next to the head coach getting it done (recruiting wise).
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 12, 2009 11:07:58 GMT -5
Yeah Jazz, I wasn't saying that VCU was better, because arguments can be made either way (that's why I put "traditionally" in bold). And one team you left out is Drexel. I believe they won the regular season this year! That's why I think oldeschool was really stretching with our ladies and that conference. But losing a great recruiter is an undeniable blow. And that's a good point about ODU's program. I didn't know what happened, but it was obvious that something did! There are very few head coaches in both the men and women's game that attract talent based on their name. It's normally the guy sitting next to the head coach getting it done (recruiting wise). why do you insist on dragging me into this? admit it! you just like a good argument! hey, here's the deal! based on odu standards, odu was down this year. the other caa teams may be good, but odu was down. and if we can beat the a10 "champions" (unc charlotte) on their home court and hold our own against the "acc" regular season "co-champions" (florida state), then i don't think its a stretch at all to suggest we can "hold our own" against caa teams. again, i didn't say we'd have our way against caa teams, i said we'd "hold our own" which means we'd play a "respectable" game against them. now, how is a statement like that a stretch? are you saying they would blow us out?
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 12, 2009 14:18:15 GMT -5
Maybe i took what you said out of context. But it appears that you were suggesting that our ladies could compete on a night in and night out basis. I mentioned before that on any given night, our ladies were good enough to hang and even beat some of the mid's.
But competing in-conference is a whole different monster. Having a detailed scouting report that says make Tweet go left, make BTJ drive the ball, and deny Amber the catch would go a loooooonnnnnng way. That's what Del. State did. All that and our talent wouldn't have overwhelmed anyone in the CAA. I'm not saying that we would've gotten blown out, but realistically speaking, we would be below average in that conference. JMU, VCU, ODU, Drexel, W&M, and Delaware. C'mon man. We're great for where we are, but lets keep it in perspective.
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Post by Bornthrilla on May 12, 2009 14:21:19 GMT -5
I think we would have finished in the top half of that conference last season. Our girls played up (and down) to their competition.
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Post by oleschoolaggie on May 12, 2009 14:54:47 GMT -5
i agree. i think we would have finished in the top half also. our "largest" margin of defeat all season was by 21 points to auburn who was undefeated and ranked #5 in the country at the time. we loss to kentucky by 9, ole miss by 16, and florida state by 12. if we can hold our own against those kind of schools on the road, then i'm confident we could finish in the top half of the caa. don't forget, half of those games would have been in the dawg pound!!
and aahhbigboy, there's one other thing you have to keep in mind. our girls had a bull's eye on their backs in the meac, so everybody gave us their "a" games. that wouldn't be the case in the caa. in fact, i'd think it would be the other way around. our girls would step up their games and wouldn't be complacent like they were against some meac teams. our women were not a fluke! they were as good as advertised and could hang with higher rated mid-major conferences.
next season will be very interesting though without our dynamic duo, btj and ab. coppin had their dynamic duo and so did we. might that be the recipe for an meac championship? having two bona fide studs on the team? tweet will probably average 20 plus points per game next year, but will we have another stud to give us that unstoppable 1, 2 punch? could it be sams or smalley? or could it be the puppy, amber calvin? or the transfer, murdaugh?
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Post by numberonebrave on May 13, 2009 6:13:09 GMT -5
(Great coaches beget great coaches) FYI EX Bibbs and A&T assistant Tennille Adams enters her first season with Wildcats, after most recently coaching at American University.
"Tennille brings a wealth of experience to the Northwestern basketball family," head coach Joe McKeown said. "Her ability to recruit, teach and motivate are her strongest assets. As a player who helped Arkansas reach the Final Four and a coach at the Division I level, she has a great work ethic. As a native of the Chicago area, she also has strong recruiting ties to the Midwest."
"I am very excited to work at such an established university," Adams said. "It is a privilege to learn from one of the best coaches in the country and I look forward to working with this great group of young ladies."
While at American, Adams was responsible for all aspects of recruiting. She also was involved in the development of post players and the point person for academic affairs and external relations within the basketball program.
Adams, a standout at the University of Arkansas, began her coaching career in 2004 as an assistant at Lon Morris Junior College in Jacksonville, Texas, before taking a similar position at North Carolina A&T State. She spent two years with the Aggies in Greensboro, N.C., before making the move to Washington D.C.
As a student-athlete at Arkansas, Adams was a member of the 1997-1998 Final Four team and the 1998-99 WNIT Championship team. On an individual level, Adams was ranked in the top five post players in the nation and as one of the top 50 seniors by Blue Star.
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Post by krazykev on May 13, 2009 7:40:40 GMT -5
I remember her (Tennille Adams) coaching and was going to say that she was the first coach to benefit from Bibbs being at A&T. I was waiting for aahhbibboy to state that since he knows so much about the Womens program. Also hear that Coach Murray is a very good recruiter as well. He was recruiting Amber Bland when he the assistant under Coach Saudia Roundtree.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 13, 2009 7:41:03 GMT -5
Yeah, Tenille worked hard for that. She is very focused. She has a vast network of contacts from her time at Arkansas and when she was recruited (as one of the best out of Chicago). To get that job at NW, she had to prove herself at American in a major way......and it's obvious that she did that! That's great for her, she deserves it.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 13, 2009 8:02:00 GMT -5
I remember her (Tennille Adams) coaching and was going to say that she was the first coach to benefit from Bibbs being at A&T. I was waiting for aahhbibboy to state that since he knows so much about the Womens program. Also hear that Coach Murray is a very good recruiter as well. He was recruiting Amber Bland when he the assistant under Coach Saudia Roundtree. First coach to benefit? What? Are you saying that she benefitted by Bibbs hiring her or are you saying that because of Bibbs' name is why she is where she is. I don't know how to read into that post. And you're in left field with Amber. Amber landing at T was more luck than anything. And do you remember the losing we did under Saudia? That's like saying Fobbs had a good recruiter. I'm not dumping on Murray, he's a good guy, but you can't tie him into Saudia while trying to compliment him. Lord have mercy.
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Post by krazykev on May 13, 2009 8:14:32 GMT -5
You are the same guy that dumps on Eaves but, praises Hunter from time to time. All I was stating that Murray is good recruiter as well. Adams benefited from Bibbs by getting the knowledge and she did hire her from after coaching at a Junior college. Bibbs gave her the first break into coaching on a Div 1 level.
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Post by aahhbigboy on May 13, 2009 8:25:55 GMT -5
Oh ok. Yeah Bibbs hires good people. That's her talent.
I don't praise Hunter (as a matter of fact, I'm very critical of him). I just point out that his numbers are better than Eaves and that he played a tougher schedule every year. That's noteworthy.
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